[000:00:00;00] ah, ah ah, this is dw news live from berlin. nato says that it has agreed that ukraine should become a member, but nato head against oldenburg, says the 1st priority is to win the war against russia. and the timeline for membership is still unclear. also coming up, international pressure grows for an end to the violence in sudan, but fighting appears to be continuing in the capital and other cities. and the heads of the army say that the military will do all it can to prevail in the

conflict. despite remaining committed the transition to civilian rule and the world's biggest space rock that explodes just minutes into its 1st test flight will find out why the starships owner, space, sex, and says that launch was a success. ah, i'm sarah kelly walked into the program. nato secretary general young stilton berg says that the alliances members all agree that ukraine will eventually become a member sultan burg, made the statement ahead of a meeting of the ukraine defense contact group at ramstein air based in germany. but he's added that data's priority is supporting ukraine's war effort. a certainty of yesterday and that the ukraine, sir, future is in your account, the cur, family,

and all ne dollars have agreed that the ukraine will become a nato, a member of. but the main focus now is of course are on, on how to ensure that ukraine prevails. and let's get more on that from dw corresponded jack park was standing by in brussels. jack, how new is that position? it's a big position is a big statement that he's saying that all of the allies agree that the ukraine should become a nato member. and that is obviously a suggestion that that has been the sentiment among the, the, the 31 nato allies, because back in september, ukraine applied to be a nature member. any country can do. so for what it's worth. the big question is, how true is this statement? because right now he's saying that all of the countries agree, but there's a process to ratify the membership of any new member to join the military alliance inch a parliament in each of the member countries has to agree to it. and we have some big elections coming up, for instance, in turkey,

one of the major nato member states that they've got elections next month in the united states next year, they'll be a new president. so potentially, these are our positions that can also shift among the nato members. having said that, what it shows is that nato, the native sector, general, their youngest oldenburg, believes that what he's hearing from all of the countries is that they are all now in favor of ukraine joining nato. what that would mean? how much anger that would cause in moscow? well, that's another thing. he also use the word eventually. um you know, talk with us about what that means for a potential timeline on ukraine. actually practically becoming a member this is another question. as i say, they have to go through this process of ratification. national parliaments need to vote. governments need to agree. so what we've seen is some very swift accessions to nate to the nato military alliance, for instance, with finland. where, where they've, it's been, you know,

the under year pretty much for them to get in. but sweden, who also applied back in the summer. that's taken longer for them because turkey has a block on it and normally takes some were in the region of perhaps 2 years. but what we did here from this ex general is that he said, listen, they ukraine has to win the war before it joins nato. and that's because it, under that nature's article 5 as an all for one clause, meaning that if one country is attacked, that all the other countries have to go in and support the military. they have an obligation under the nato treaties. so it's not the nato allies aren't going to agree to to, to have ukraine immediately joined because then they would immediately dry be dried militarily into that wall. jack stockton, burke, he, he was speaking ahead of a meeting of the ukraine defense contact group at the ramstein air base here in germany. what is expected to come out of that meeting? yet he mentioned that they're hoping to have some agreements on logistics and

different funding. he says that basically what they need is this is become something of a war of attrition. and that needs to be additional logistics in order to try and push the war over. he said he's hoping to hear for agreements from nato member countries, some promises for a stepping up of the support. he also said the key must have the deterrence to prevent new attacks. what does that mean? yeah, that's, that's another big question to turn to prevent new attacks. essentially, i mean, the position of nato is that it wants this war to end and that ukraine's territory is sovereign. and the russian invasion should, and russian troops should withdraw. they obviously want further attacks to be stopped. but the question is, what does that deterrence mean? because the position of most western countries officially is that ukraine shouldn't only you know when the war and push russia, but also retake eastern ukrainian territories. how much support they need,

how much military hardware, how much, you know, fighter jets, etc, like the ukranian government has been calling for they would need. that's the big question. he's saying there's this need for deterrence. we'll have to see how willing those nato allies and the supporters of the ukraine, the ukranian war effort, are to step up and provide more support more more military hardware, more ammunition did have you corresponded jack, parents, and vessels. thank you. and let's get more. i am joined now by mike martin, a senior fellow in war studies at kings college in london. mike, thank you so much for joining us to share your expertise on what were your thoughts when you heard this announcement? these words from the nato secretary general. i think we have to see this as signaling as your correspondence laid out very well. nobody's going to be joining night in the middle of a war. and so what this is, is signaling to russia just to reinforce, once again,

that the rich countries of the world. so in a fight in this case by night, are completely behind ukraine. this is, this is several years off. you don't have a country like ukraine with all of the problems have, is russia joining night so quickly? you do it very slowly because you're, it's a big shift in the g. a strategic situation. nice in europe. you want to do that at a time of pace and very carefully. what do you think? so in terms of, you know, what the nato secretary general is signaling right now to ukraine, which very much wants to be come a member of the alliance. yeah, well gen the general nice. i was actually in keith yesterday and it really should be seen within the context of a quite a long series of world leaders from, you know, the defense defense secretary for british prime ministers for french presidents who

visited keep it on a route to demonstrate that these countries are behind ukraine and, you know, on the other, so seen recently, i'm way president putin making some visits to the next territories of ukraine. so, you know, the russians are trying to play this game as well. but it's, it's obviously not as impressive as having multiple world leaders from different countries in session organizations. busy as is the case of the kinds have in keith . ok, mike, you're going to stay with us. i'm because i'd like to ask you about another aspect to the ongoing conflict in ukraine, which is the fact that the country has been demanding fighter jets for months. and it's finally starting to get some pull in slovakia are handing over there. soviet era make 20 nines and now we're going to find out a little bit more about these aircraft and then get mike's analysis thereafter. this is

a slovak in mig 29. the model that was once the pride of the soviet union's air force on its way to ukraine last month. the may, 29, came into service in 1983 at the time arrival to u. s. built f sixteens, a product of the race to rule the skies during the cold war. ukrainian pilots are already trained to fly the plane. so in theory, they're ready to go. on paper, the mig $29.00 looks impressive. it can max out at 2400 kilometers per hour. it's ranges over 2000 kilometers, and it can fly up to 18 kilometers altitude. ukrainian, president, for lot of me as a lansky says he's thankful, but that ukraine needs much more food. i'm grateful to poland and i'm grateful to slovakia for their decisions on megs for ukraine. very. this will significantly strengthen the defense of our sky,

but we need modern aircraft to understand exactly what we've been saying. is there a rational motivation for the delay in providing modern aircraft? just taking the word modern is the key here. russia has been using a range of attack aircraft and ukraine, some developed decades after the big 29 to top that off, many of the polish and slovak planes headed to ukraine now are in bad condition. they may end up being used to provide part to repair ukraine's existing air force cave had previously called for a fighter jet coalition for ukraine, which would use newer planes made by different nato countries that may still come. but for now, the mig 20 nines will have to do and i'm back now with mike martin, senior fellow for war studies at kings college in london. mike,

how far do you think that these megs can go in terms of helping ukraine's position? so i think that makes the not going to be decisive. as your correspondent said, these are, these are quite old planes and originally designed airplanes, you know, to fight other planes. whereas what ukraine is going to be doing over the next few months is, is a large ground offensive. and so it really needs to be able to strike russian ground targets, which the make $21.00 is ok, but not brilliant. so i think these planes are important, but they're not the thing that's going to win the war for ukraine. that's going to be a massive ground offensive. what do you think they're pushing so hard for these? because i mean they, we also have been hearing that they really want f sixteens. i mean, this is sort of, you know, the top line on their request list lately. well, i think if we look over the last 14 months of the war, what we've seen is actually

a shift they want ukraine's been asking for. they've really been arming military from the ground up. so originally was anti tank guided missiles, then it was artillery, then it was infantry fighting vehicles, then it was tanks, your listeners, or remember your view, a story will remember all the tanks that go place the beginning of the year. and so each stage ukraine receives what it wants and look, i would do exactly the same thing. it's always in that position. and then it asks for the next level of support. if you have well equipped armored ground forces, then yes, the next thing you want is is across. so that is part of what is going on is that you create is ever escalating the types of equipment is asking for because not in the equip them has the added benefit drawing in for the nato countries, the supporting countries in the ever increasing levels of commitment so then let me ask you this ukraine defense contact group is 54 countries supporting ukraine, including you know, the needle members that are also part of this group. they're meeting now. what would you like to see come out of that meeting?

what do you think would be most impactful for ukraine to receive, practically? and what do you think they will actually get? so i think we really need to look to this counts for offensive. that is going to kick off in the next few days or weeks, and this will enable the momentum to shift back to ukraine from russia. and it seems that the, the, you know, the vehicles in the artillery and the rocket systems are largely in place for that . the troops are crane. the crews are trains. and what you need with the ground offensive is lots and lots of ammunition fuel spare parts. so what we're talking about is logistics support for that ground offensive to enable it to run for say, 3 or 4 months, pledging fighter jets. now, they won't arrive in time, they won't survive until the also they'll be too late to make a difference. this ground offensive, so what they need is logistics support for this ground offensive. mike martin,

senior fellow and more studies i king's college london. thank you so much. thank you. yeah, let's turn to some other news now. residents of the sydney's capital cartoon mar reporting gunfire, despite calls for a truce from the un in sudan, the r s. f paramilitary force had agreed to a cease fire for the eat holiday. but the military says that it plans to use strength, prevail in the conflict and will only accept the surrender of the r s. f. the head of the army said that the military was committed to a transition to civilian rule. rule gunfire in khartoum as fighting goes on despite hopes for a cease fire. awe in

a pre recorded message released to the end of the muslim holy month of ramadan. sedans top general said the military still back to return to civilian rule subway. in an icicle, you are confident that we will overcome this ordeal with our training, wisdom and strength for preserving the security and unity of the state, or allowing us to be entrusted with the safe transition to civilian rule. one mother. still, many residents are making last minute attempts to leave sedans, capital city, people at this bus station, a trying to get on one of the few buses, still offering their services. oh, my mother, put arma, i'm praying for safety. and that god in the bloodshed were praying. they reached and agreements and god and bloodshed of all muslims are going on with. we hopes for a cease fire were high on wednesday, but

a low in fighting never came about. sedans. army says it will not negotiate with the countries. rival paramilitary rapid support falls group. it means more suffering for the civilians trapped in the conflict. on behalf it was added to suffolk. it brought assuring, according to the health ministry. 20 hospitals have had to shut down because of attacks, moral and lack of supplies for level aqua 7. o 8 more health centers are at risk of closure because of work overload and a lack of medical personnel profit at the feet. we call on all parties to commit to a sustained humanitarian pause and fighting as soon as possible. suddenly molest washington says it's sending more troops to its naval base in the nearby southeast african country of djibouti to prepare for a possible evacuation of u. s embassy employees. other nations are also planning to get their people out. people and willingly kind and helpful to us. at the same time,

people think also getting more and more desperate went down to market low to have to buy food. and there was a huge fight breaking out into, you know, as people get more and more desperate than things get more and more tense. so people's access to resources is dwindling and you know, that's when it things starts turning the worst out. a virtual meeting with african and arab leaders, un chief antonio, great harish called for a 3 day truce starting from friday. the paramilitaries have said they have agreed to a cease fire, but with fighting still going on many a packing their belongings and leaving while they still can. earlier i spoke with journalist and political analyst, patrick oh, yay! who is based in cuba in neighboring south stood an he told us more about the conditions in the capital cartoon is deleted. we're hearing of causes wrapping up.

our forces have unilaterally unknowns as he's fine beginning this morning at 6 am. how about the the army has been quite up above the army. actually we just received, we bought about 5 minutes ago that they are moving in somebody that your area is trying to calm the residential areas. meaning they're trying to look for any support forces that may be in those areas, the residential area to try to ida, you know, address them or neutralize them, what they call in the language. so at the fighting is still on basically, however, some good visual areas are quiet. we've also just seen some report about 30 minutes ago that some, some people have gone to the mosque in some residential areas, though it was not for the last day they are playing in a quiet. and here are some other stories making news around the world. at least 3 people have been killed after an explosion tore through

a coal mine in central columbia. several miners have been rescued and efforts are underway to free others still trapped in the rebel. after 4 years of trying, mexico has finally sold its unused presidential plane with sad chica and buying it for $92000000.00. mexican president, undress manuel lopez over our door who has refused to fly in it since taking office in 2018 says the proceeds will pay for 2 new hospitals in poor areas. was already there. space x is hailing the launch of the world's most powerful rocket as a success despite it exploding just minutes after left off. it was the 1st on crude test flight for the 120 meter starship from its launch pad in southern texas. the space craft is designed to eventually carry astronauts to the moon and to mars. ah, it was born office space ex most high profile launches to deed,

the largest the spacecraft ever built. hurtling towards the sky. the latest, the step towards horner alone must vision of reaching lars to draw could sword almost 40 kilometers high until the booster failed to separate from the main body. howard was i think on the k ah, experts believe is basics. his reason to see the launch is a success this broke this just a completely new design. it's a real departure from things that have been flown in the past. and so they were not expecting it to be fully successful. you have to debug these things and, and so if they prove several things, they prove that the engines could far properly with using this new methane fuel. they proved that the rocket can fly through what's called max q, the area, which is sort of roughest from turbulence. right, that, that could crumpled the rock if it wasn't built strong enough and they proved it

could fly and vaguely the right direction. i just couldn't separate. i fly, not a separate from his oper stage. the explosion also did little to damp indiana to see as them of the crowd gather to see the launch. yeah. oh hey. i got this. it was blew up in visual range, which is yeah, hey, that's bad, but it's also great. i got to actually see the whole flight. the 19, was it 900? 68 or 69. i was 89 years old, and i sat in colorado and watched him walk on the moon. so how much fun would that be before i die? to watch him walk on mars, for instance. the 2 must routing the next step will be in a few months time. the spectators won't have to wait long until the space ex, again reaches for the stars. kick cowering is the editor of space raf dot com, based in washington d. c. we asked him whether the launch should be seen as

a success despite the explosion. well, as a former recovery, rocket scientist, myself, i guess is what i'm called. um, any time you have a rocket, here's my prop that takes off like this doesn't blow up in the launch pad. keeps going for like 2 or 3 minutes long with the engines firing and so forth. on that. if it's the 1st time you've ever done it with the biggest rocket, anybody's ever built times to, i would be happy that i got that 2 minutes. however, you know, stuff happened up the upper end of the flight were the 2nd stage and detach it came back down that had destroyed it. but you know, if you're going to do something spectacular like this with the 1st time, i'm sure everybody you heard of jury at the end were really happy. i got as far as they do and that was keep counting editor of spacecraft dot com. well, in addition to space x, another of eli mosques, companies as making news as well, twitter has begun to remove blue text,

which we're used to verify the identities of high profile users. on the platform. famous figures including the pope and donald trump, have lost their verified status. twitter owner ilan mosque said that the blue check mark would be removed from accounts that didn't pay a monthly fee. taylor swift and barack obama are among a host of celebrities to retain the blue badge on their accounts. let's get more on this. they are done by mathias get the man a university professor of innovation theory and philosophy of law. he joins us from hamburg. so what's your take on all of this? well, you learn muska has promised to make a twitter profitable, and one of his key policies is to do everything differently from the owners before . what he now wants to do is to purge the people on twitter for those who don't pay up the $8.00 sir, that in a yours, the $8.00 fee, or if you're a company,

the $1000.00 fee. this is bad. it's bad for the communication space because now you no longer know whether you're actually interacting with the person who seems to be on the picture. mosque has claimed that the system that was previously assigning the tax was, and i'm quoting here, corrupt and nonsensical. was it? well, it was an arbitrary, there was an arbitrary or but are in the end, you could rely on the fact that obama was obama and taylor swift account was actually a man by her team or herself. you can along a do that now because now everybody with 10 years to spare and a telephone number can get a badge that's bad. a little mask that he wanted to know. democratize journalism empower the voice of the people, make twitter a place for everybody to talk. that's exactly the wrong way to go about this. it's

not about decreasing trust and to gain a little more money. he has to increase the trust in to the democratic discourse. that's happening there, and for that you have to know who you talked to we already see multiple imposter accounts popping up on what should be expected. now, in the days in the weeks to come, you thank you know, it's not so bad if, if tater, swiss or some other singers an account is duplicated or there is an impostor account was really bad, is if the official accounts are being a man's, by a by impostors. just think about, if we're ever having a, a corona time again, what would be the result if suddenly a ministry appears to, to, to say something and we can no longer be sure that it's actually the public administration saying that if it's not actually the experts behind that so i think that will be more chaos,

and i think that you have to walk back some of those changes. no, i think it's the the wrong way going about making, making twitter profitable. you should rather invest in creative tools in making the service or more broadly acceptable and not making a advertisers like microsoft to hate him replying to press inquiries with poopy motorists. that's not the best way to go about it. ok, well, i thank you for joining us. to share that opinion that you have what is happening there at twitter mathias katanen, university professor for innovation theory and philosophy of law. thank you. his reminder of the top story that we're following for you this, our nato secretary general against old burke says the alliances, members all agree that ukraine will eventually become a member. stillberg made the statement ahead of a meeting of the ukraine defense contact group at ramstein airbase in germany. but he added that nato is priority is 40 ukraine's war effort. fighting is continuing

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