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oh, and because this orchestra called the brain continuously adapts itself. and so we ask a few astute questions. we can control our thoughts, which makes us very power. kind of like a superpower. a questions about life, the universe? our series 40 to the answer almost everything this week on d. w non they may have been sitting next to each other, but their words, they were worlds apart at the un security council today, un boss and tony yogurt. harish warranted that the risk of a global war is at an historic high thinks impart to russia's invasion of ukraine. now adding to today's irony, russia's foreign minister segue leverage. he also sounded the alarm saying,
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not even the cold war had been as dangerous as the here. and now he also pointed to ukraine. but he pointed the finger at nato and the united states. i'm regarding berlin. this is the day. ah, as was the case in the cold war, we have reached a dangerous, possibly even more dangerous threshold. as we sit here, russian forces continued to kill and injure civilians. was washington and its allies refused, diplomacy and press for the solution of disputes on the battlefield. as we said here, we brace ourselves for the next little chat. next, mary, uphold the next person, the next war crime, the next unconscionable atrocity
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also coming up, it has happened again here in berlin climate change activists brought traffic to a stand still to day by glueing themselves to the asphalt. i'm not even believable . does everybody have to suffer because of them? it's unbelievable. chaos everywhere. the whole city and chaos just lock them up. i was, i spent, ah, oh to our viewers watching on p b. s. in the united states, into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day at the un security council, where 2 different views of war and peace collided to date. un secretary general antonio gutierrez, warned that russia's war in ukraine more than ever as the potential to more into a wider and deadlier conflict of russia's foreign minister sergey laboratory. he agreed with gutierrez on that point, but that is where their common ground hit a cliff lever. off said that nato is fueling violence in ukraine by cindy weapons
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there. and he added that russian missile attacks on ukraine. he said that they're being launched to stop at western weapons from being used against russia. lever of accused the united states and the west of global bully and of making a mockery of multi lateralism. nicholas was aiming distinguished colleagues. we have reached the threshold, may be more dangerous than in the cold war, worse than by the loss of and faith and multilateralism. as the financial and economic aggression of the west destroys the benefits of globalization. when the u . s. in its allies, abandoned diplomacy and demand relations be clarified on the battlefield. all this in the halls of the united nations, created to prevent the horrors of war uh for the, for the shoe noodles before you start. let's go to new york. now my colleague amin efs, if he is at un headquarters, there's good to see you on the list 1st. the 1st things 1st was, was anything said to day the un security council did to give any hope that we may
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1 day soon see an end to the fighting in ukraine. unfortunately, not brand to there. there wasn't anything here where you could put your finger on it and say, we're making progress after a year of disastrous war in your crane a year of russian against aggression against ukraine. where some people are finding hope, however, is the continued dialogue between russia and the un secretary general leverage and gutierrez, and they had a meeting where they discussed the green exports in the black sea, which has been a sticking point for them. and debt, i think i've lost the line here. let me see if i can get you back. and a lot of people are seeing the u. n. is playing
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a key role in mitigating the horrors of this war. and i mean, let's talk about what, what we heard from we heard from an antonio gutierrez and then i have lost the line here. i, i can't hear the studio anymore in case, i mean can, can you hear an out? can you hear me now? ami this, can you hear me? let me just try one more time. i mean, can you hear me? all right, it looks like we've lost. it. looks like we've lost him. we apologize for that. it's, i mean as if they're in new york. ah, is the answer to europe's energy problems blowing in the wind? a group of western european countries says yes, and they're betting on wind energy from the north sea. leaders gather today at the belgian port of austin. they want to use wind turbines to cut greenhouse gas
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emissions and to reduce their dependence on russian oil and natural gas of security . that's also high on the agenda. leaders see that resources and manpower will go towards protecting the underwater electricity grid from sabotage. here is what the belgian justice minister said when dw news asked what needs to be done to protect the green energy infrastructure. security is a big issue. i mean, you've seen incidents like the sabotage of the north steam by pines. we've seen the presses of russians by ships in our north sea. this is really a, this is a, this is a big problem. and so that's the reason i want to conclude and to prepare a north sea security backed in which we will foresee for all critical infrastructure, minimal security standards to have to be respected by all countries. we want to create also a platform on which incidents will be reported. and our belgian government already has provided $1000000.00 euros to, to develop such above from at the same time also make agreements on
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a eventual intervention if there are incidents. and that's the reason why tonight, not only 9 countries will be at my table, but also nate will be there because we know the security has been a big issue. know at the first's a nazi summit and done marker last year. it security was not yet an issue today. it is an issue, and it needs to be an issue. well, as you can hear there, there is apparently a real russian threat to the future of europe's energy infrastructure. a team of norton journalists have spent the past year following dozens of russian vessels in the north sea. now, many times these ships are registered as fishing trawlers, but these reporters say that the crews on board they're looking for more than just seafood d. w. terry schultz as the store. they're called close because they all can creep silently through the north sea with their communication devices turned off. but unlike the legendary vessels cruising the spirit cruise,
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these russian ships most definitely are manned by men who didn't like these. danish journalists, looking at them, i think now watching us the 2 men staring at us with russian spy ships using the cover. a fishing trainer oceanographic research are nothing new for decades. they've surveilled nations pipelines, underwater cables, oil and gas infrastructure and military exercises. a threat things up to with intelligence. energy is done on multiple vol, closely have in order to return on his last on variable for closer he'll chunk of everything. after the sabotage of the nordstrom gas pipelines last september, highlighted the potential for such attacks. nato stepped up its assistant. we have established all a cell of the network court to coordinate their food spine a dollars. this is under, which is honda and they to a jungle. but the nordic broadcasters investigation underscores just how wide spread and brightened the activity can be. they tracked the routing of 50 ships
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going back years and discovered that several 100 may be involved. one ship in particular caught their eye months before the nordstrom attacks, the mill cart, 5 officially a fishing trawler crossed a major under c cable off this forward archipelago, 130 times just before the line was cut. coincidence woocommerce article is a completely illogical reason that america roller that he has in seeing the right to push their house. and i still am sizing for such a limited area. was it on 30 times? okay, i'm on field fishermen from those doesn't look like regular. sure. activated circles, while sanctions on moscow have reduced the access of russian ships to north sea waters, norway still has 3 harbors open to them for legitimate activities, like refueling landing fish repairing ships. but this new evidence indicating abuse of those privileges is raising questions in norway. we could, you know,
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set an example and say that in know, these ships are not allowed to, to sail in origin waters or, or to m to use and reach and harbors anymore. i think there are, there are some room room for action there. definitely. while the russian government denies the allegations, draining of its military resources in ukraine may make this type of hybrid attack on keeps allies increasingly attractive, is that will make sure that you actually harm someone without you know, it being a declaration of war necessarily. your way has just kicked out 15 russian embassy officials accusing them of being intelligence agents. perhaps making seaborne spying even more crucial for the kremlin. so my colleague, terry shoulds, she filed the report, she joins me now from our brussels bureau. terry, it's good to see you. you're reporting there. me, there should be a wake up call to anybody, particularly european leaders. you see that in,
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i'm wondering how vulnerable is europe's energy infrastructure to sabotage and attack will rent. it's not just the energy infrastructure. people may not be aware of that. almost all internet traffic i travels via under c cable. so if, if one of them gets cut, it could disrupt our entire lives. and this is something that policy makers have known about for a long time. but i think they just didn't realize how vulnerable they were, or perhaps how, how much they're the russian ships were actually doing this espionage. and i think we all really have to credit these teams of scandinavian journalists because they spent a year looking into this. and they tracked years of russian ship traffic and that's how they finally brought to light. just how prevalent this practice is and how worried everybody should be a you you big of a good point. the vulnerability is there in has been there for a long time,
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but let's just assume a bunch of cables under the north sea were to be suddenly severed. i mean, what would some of the possible effects be? well, as i mentioned, if the internet were cut off. c we'd all be in a lot of trouble, but some of the other traffic that goes the under see cables is for example, banking information. the swift system connects between europe and the united states, sending everything from from wire transfers to, to sort of a t m transactions. that kind of thing, i mean, it's hard to imagine something that wouldn't be affected if these under see cables were cut and we have seen smaller scale attacks on these cables, as again, was mentioned in that documentary a few years ago in norway. one of the, one of the cables was cut in, in fact a piece of it went actually went missing several meters of it. and you know, people didn't get so alarmed about it. i don't remember hearing about it in, in any big way. only now when, when, after the nord stream attacks and,
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and with rushes, new aggression in many different directions. that's when this is all starting to piece together. and people are starting to take this as a real, a real threat. as a whole theory, the documentary, it says that this kind of alleged snoopy, but it's been going on for years and, and hardly any one noticed really well, i think they just didn't put it together because you know, only after this documentary came out. so just in the last couple of weeks then it, people started remembering that we'd actually seen a ship, a russian ship sailing way down here by the netherlands and by belgium. and they started to think, my gosh, it's all linked to this sort of north sea ghost fleet. this, this number of ships that are, you know, masquerading as fishing trawlers or ocean ocean, a graphic research vessels. and again, these journalists found out after tracking 50 set ships that several 100 may
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actually be in the service of espionage. that's amazing that several 100 ships trolling the north sea, supposedly under, under legal, legal reasons are actually spying. and i have to ask you before, when i have time and nothing has been proven that parallels here on the parallels are being drawn to the north stream of pipeline explosion, blast. what are investigations there? what are they saying? so for that is still a big mystery. and that's what makes a lot of people think that it wasn't russia because if it was russia that blew up those pipelines that would have been, you know, announced quite early. so that adds to the mystery. and in fact, brussels bureau chief alexander of anom and ask the north sea leaders tonight, if they can give us an update on the north stream attacks. and they said no. in fact, i've had many people tell me that we may never know who blew up those pipeline,
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but those are just an example of what can be done and how apparently easily it can be done. so this is a wake up call and nato and the european union are finally putting their powers together and saying, we need to protect the infrastructure. we need to do more. we can't leave it just to those, those nations that have the cables running through their territory. so certainly this has been a wake up call the nordstrom attacks. and now this documentary, and i think we're going to see a lot more surveillance of the undersea cables and pipelines now. yeah, we're good on you for putting the spotlight on this will rebuild the as you say, it's been out there all the law w. terry schultz for on the story tonight is always terry, thank you. thank you. with these top diplomat says that he is hopeful finalizing a deal to buy badly needed munitions for ukraine at a summit of foreign ministers meeting in luxembourg today, joseph burrell. so the situation is, one of extreme urgency no european union leaders agreed to
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a deal last month to purchase an hmo 4 key, but that deal it's been stalled. due to disagreements, right? here in europe, you ministers are debating a 1000000000 euro joint procurement to boost ukraine's ammunition supplies. but it's not an easy deal to make. there's disagreement over how much of the business related to the purchase of arms will stay strictly what than to you. i'm sure that in the following day we will reach. but why lulu, for this legal of women don't believe that we are just sitting and waiting. the whole work is, is going to hold work. as i often was, the legal lou ridge there would practical work where we finish. the joint procurement plan is part of a multi track. you deal to get 1000000 artillery shells and missiles to cream within the next here. track one of the plan is to reimburse 1000000000 euros to
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e u countries for sending munitions to ukraine from their existing stock track to involve increasing the production of ammunition to match ukraine's needs. many of you, governments agree to buy the munitions from firms within the block, as well as from none e. u. member norway. but friends with a substantial arms industry of its own has insisted production should take place only within the european union ukraine, and had staunchest allies. insist that decision should not be delayed by bureaucratic disputes. i understand those who want to see ah, europe, in military industry flourishing. indeed we need that. but if we delay, currently, ukrainians might not push as far and as successfully as they could with our systems . therefore, speed is the main factor, but we should be looking for now for ukraine. any delaying the decision of weapons
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delivery means less chance of recapturing occupied territory and more of its soldiers losing their lives on the front lines. w's rosy bird charge. she is at, or she was at that meeting and luxembourg. and we, astor, will the european union be able to fully meet ukraine's ammunition needs in the future? or ukraine will keep pushing. i think that is one thing that's clear, the ukrainian minister joined these talks virtually. and i think from, based on what i've heard from people in the room, it was really more what you might describe of as a virtual dressing don't. i'm told to use harsh language to try and convince these e u members. no, i think the debate will continue over the next coming days among ambassadors at a more technical level. and certainly the european union's foreign affairs, too few except barrels told us in a press conference he expects some sort of agreement in the coming days. and the often like the stress that it's not just when it comes to ammunition or military 8 that it's supporting ukraine also. and other tracks, for example,
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welcoming millions of ukrainian refugees into the european union. and of course, that be great. also wants one day to have a seat at this very table to one day join the european union and the says, it's a court and key of on that front as well when it comes to reforms. but ukraine, i think you can rest assured will keep pushing for this. keep pushing for ammunition because of course what keith says is, this is really a matter of life or death. ah, for they will not be ignored. climate protection activists blocked dozens of roads right here. the german capital, berlin to day calls in traffic jams. on many of the cities busy of streets, the road blocks were in protest of the german government climate policies, which the actors say do not go far enough to stop twine that change. some of the protesters from the group that's known as last generation. you see right there, they glued themselves to the surfaces of highways. the purchase lasted about an
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hour causing huge snarl ups in berlin's traffic. and the tempers of song murderous . you can imagine flared up. i'm not even believable. does everybody have to suffer because of them? it's unbelievable chaos everywhere. the whole city and chaos just locked them up. i was, i swear. i'm janelle by josefina shenker, she took part in today's purchase here in berlin as part of the press team for last generation. she's also a research assistant at the frown. hoffer institute for solar energy systems, it's good to have you wear this to night. i mean, you saw that one gentleman there. he was irate with what you guys did to day. would you say that your protest was a success? yes. well, today's protest is very successful. hundreds of people today went into peaceful civil disobedience. and by blocking the street to show the federal government that
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it's climate policies is far from sufficient to protect our and especially the future livelihood. and we had protests at 20 some places in berlin, which is 3 times as many as the last protest base. so our movement is increasingly growing and we are really happy with this day. we used to be that you're on your action today. you purposely inconvenience to a lot of drivers. i don't know if you really got to the government, but you know, you got the point across to a lot of people in their cars or was that part of the plan? yes, of course. our strategy is to use peaceful civil disobedience by blocking the streets . and of course it's not nice. it's not nice for us. we really understand the anger of people when they're stopped in the day i've been interrupted in the day life and but as i said, we are not doing these robots but because we see the needs of peaceful. this is
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a civil disobedience as a very effective strategy of bringing the urgency of kind of crisis back into the public eye and debate and especially putting pressure not on the people but on the government so that it has to comply with their own loss, which is the basic law of the federal constitution as well as the parents agreement . but i'm wondering if you considered some unintended consequences here. i mean, you may be getting some supporters by what you did today, but you may also be alienating people. i mean, these drivers, super just fed up with you today. don't you need people like these drivers don't you need them to be on board with you and to be behind your calls. i think you have to differentiate between protest and between the support for climate policies and we can see that the majority is 4 or we half public majority for climate protect it exists in the population. there are the solutions there also that ologies and to
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achieve an ecological transformation. and but the problem is that the government does not implement these solutions. so therefore, we don't, we don't really see the problem with the popularity of climate protection, but we really see the problem in the government. and there are the ali travis, them want to put pressure on them to comply with the parents is ryland. we are, we're looking at pictures here of people who glued their hands are good, their bodies to the pavement, to, to the asphalt. the ask you just to be to have you ever super glued your hand to something in pro just yes, of course i also myself went into a peaceful civil disobedience include my hands on the streets to interrupt the day to live. and to really a reminder that the climate crisis is the most dangerous crisis we face. and if we don't make drastic change, we will have intense global suffering,
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which we already have just a real. i'm really curious about this. what happened to you once you had glued your hand to the street, what happened? i mean usually you sit in the street until the police comes and they take you in cassidy. and sometimes you are cute and you have to pay fines. these are all very negative consequences and, but we think that we have to endure these consequences to show that the climate crisis will surpass at the 3rd negative cause that consequences by far, than just paying a fine. yeah. and let me ask you just a few to what, what happens to your hand? i mean, obviously you're stuck to the pavement. what, what the job remove it? or did the police, how did you keep your hand with you? after police has to remove the glue and they're doing it by adding
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a little bit of oil. and it's a very easy procedure actually. so, and it's not really much about it, and we only use the glue to kind of prolong the buckets. and again, increase the awareness about the climb crisis. okay, well, you're definitely increasing the awareness you got our attention and we appreciate you and your your hands for joining us tonight. you're on the day of finance banker with last generation on. thank you for talking with us tonight. thank you very much . or the day is almost done. the conversation continues online. you'll find us still on twitter, either dw news, you could follow me up still on twitter at rent golf t v. and remember, whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see that if you choose
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