anita, when it comes to trafficking nigerian women for sex. so they're always saying the same thing about you get to go without having to pay thing. it obviously that's all in line m n a forms. yes. and then you succeed in restoring this young girls ability to treat it. it's something that really is price. i met a man that gives me not to what i do. the trio combating, shooting dealings starts april 29th on d, w. they've been almost 5 months of virtual stalemate on the battlefields of ukraine. and yet europe and america are clear that key f one get the fighter aircraft and long range weapons systems. it was so what's the ground on the scene from brussels is the one my guess is shar michelle, president of the european council. this is where we clear the to do every think,

you know, the to guaranteed the 17th of each of you clean it. me the victor with clear and what about the confusion over you policy on china? president macro says taiwan. isn't europe's business. your foreign policy chief says it really is whatever happened to unity in the european union. michelle, welcome to come. thank you. let's talk 1st about the war and ukraine. if we may, for the past few months, has been very little movement on the battlefields of ukraine. the west, you included, has given large amounts of 8 and weapons, but clearly not enough to move the war in key of direction. is the danger now that you're beginning to normalize a stalemate is very clear that the on the you side, you are determined to do everything to support your credit specialist retain. and you are absolutely right. it's a very tricky after the start of the full steering division launched by russia,

we decided to provide military equipment the 1st time in european union history. the 2 took such a decision. and since then, together with our partners, our lives across the world, we provide to me to support to ukraine. we provide financial means to ukraine. we help you train or support on the 3 side. it's not enough to move forward as you, i did you one of the example. sure weeks ago we to the decision to, to work together you members to produce ammunition because we feel that is needed to strengthen our defense industrial base. you know, the to speed up and you're absolutely right. that is important to do everything to, to accelerate the effort. this is really important that the ukrainians made the shows to resist the stream lea courageous. and this is a tragedy for them. and it's what i would you t, i responsibility is to do everything we tend to know that to assist to,

to support them. and of course, they're not. they're not impressed with the relationship with the you at the moment . ukraine's foreign minister dmitri labor has complained bitterly that the e u was failing to implement its own decision on the ammunition to purchase ammunition for the country. because member states were arguing over which suppliers they should actually and since, and sign a contract. and since that statement made by me for the fact we had your attention to clarify with the ukraine authorities, you know, that was wasted. we are entrenched in turn tact with prisons and winston and was the ukraine authorities. and i can, we assure you that the know that we are, we label friends and we label part, and also know that this is a magic bullet. we do everything to speed up. we have taken significant political decision. these are we clear that there's a 20 political choice on this you side to, to, to, to be, you know,

supposed to quit. but the reality that we still measure bullet faces, we need to make sure that we will produce more ammunition in the weeks and months to come. this collab as deputy and melnick says that war fatigue among you members is now the biggest challenge for his country is a feeling. he said that now the tank issue has been settled. people can put their feet up. a lot of them still don't understand that the war is far from over. is the right to worry about war fatigue in the, you know, these are we clear that we, we need to convince our citizens according to you know, what state is the future of the european union, the future of our citizens, our security, our prosperity. but look, if we look at the situation of a few months ago and absolutely trend things that are proteins, generation was the will for t, y,

the impossibility for the european union to stick together to be united in we took 14 and a criminal by surprise because we are able to stay together, we are able to have the support of public opinion across the european and we were able, we have been able to, to, to, to stick together with our northern america allies and other partners across the way you say that, but your foreign policy chief, you as a barrel said, recently, forging and maintaining you. unity against russians invasion has not always been easy. some states complained others disagree, but in the end we maintain the unity. so you papered over the cracks, what, what could open those cracks up again, this is, this is a very clear that unity it which was a lot of effort. but the fax, all the facts, we have been able for instance, to sanction russia. you remember that a lot has been set on some lists of fragmentation. on the new side,

we took decisions altogether on 10 packages of sanctions. and we are implementing these packages of centers. we are working altogether to mobilize the international community on the international stage. we are working with africa within the past history. is that in america, in order to explain to ard, you know, to try to convince, and sometimes you have done a lot on sanctions, can i just, you know, make a point here, but you're still using vast quantities of russia. oil supplied mainly by laundromat countries. these countries that loaned the oil from moscow and sell it on to you. china, india, turkey, you a and singapore. do you know about this? have a suit with lying wounded russian or what was, what was the situation in a few minutes or 2? only a few minutes ago, we were on the european sown. buddha dependent on the russian forces, fuchs,

and only a few months we succeeded to take decisions in order to, to reduce our dependencies and the doors to end the dependencies on the russian, on russian. 15 fuses. why did we close this? why didn't you close this loop? this is what we are doing. you are working very hard to close all different loopholes with please, would you prefer the european union looking to position to go into the supply of energy resources for our businesses, for our host source? would you prefer the collapse of the european union? i suppose that is not what you are advocating for, and it's why we need to be reasonable to be rational and to be determined exactly what we are doing. on the one hand, we did the last our long term strategy. we want more renewable energy on the you said we want, we want more independence in terms of energy policy on your site, but also to make sure that we defend our eternity based and to defend the social

situation of our citizens. you mentioned the risk of fatigue and you are right. these are important to work in order to avoid being victim of such a risk is free. one took you to support for citizens. this is important to demonstrate that you are working, you know, the or so to overcome the energy challenges, for instance, you know. but if you want to do something about war, fatiguing at time for a clear explanation of the use strategic objectives for ukraine and russia. plenty of generalized promises we've heard from the you told ukraine in separate, the european union will support you in every way we can, for as long as it can. i can i just ask the question for as long as what takes, what exactly does this promise mean? this is, are we clear and the way you are austin's the christmas and thrift and because it show that i'm not exactly following your approach in our approach you which has the responsibility to, to decide when to but you made the promise to please,

please let your difference your choosing to answer your question, i will, i will answer. we split your question, we see that the ukrainians have the responsibility to just suffering 13 to the site when and the way in which elements to, to assist. when does is time to, to, to, to, to open a new, a new chapter. and it's why we are supporting this piece formula developed and proposed de presidency entity. and it's why they're also support nice idea to have an international piece so meet in order to defend the ukrainian position in spite by what we believe in the move to look through all the was boost international. all the, the territorial integrity in sovereignty of the different of nations. because the work is the e, you scared of russia. you said in february, we're not intimidated and will not be intimidated by the kremlin because ukraine and the e u r. family. but the truth is that the west is very much intimidated by russia,

is that the only reason for not giving care of the weapons at once is your fear of escalation and perhaps of nuclear conflict. and this is really clear, you remember at the beginning of the war last by russia. this, what's important for us on the one hand to support ukraine, on the other hand, need to be part into 2015 other to 12 votes and the we stuff installation. and he's very clear, i take the example of the nuclear weapons, it will streamline fun when we indifferent china, for instance, another to convince the internet community china include and to be very firm and very clear the use and the threat of nuclear weapons is not responsible and we need to do everything in order to make sure it will not be used when we support the united nations in separation. for instance, in order to prevent any research distillation, it shows that you are serious. we are responsible and again, the ukrainians. people in the, you know exactly what we are doing now to help them to resist. we're more than

a year into this war, which may well define europe, security architecture for generations to come. and we're still not sure what the use objectives are. so. so what is the big plan? because what scenario do you envisage? eternal war, frozen conflict? after all the killing and destruction, these 2 countries are not going to just shake hands and be friends. are they? what, what? what's the big plan for? if this war, when this war finally comes to the bit plan and the promise of european interest and security and prosperity, and the situation is extremely easy, easy and difficult to implement. you absolutely right. but it's also what we did to what we been doing for ditches across the european turn tenant. but this is very,

very clear that what we face is a tragedy 1st for the ukrainian people. so didn't you take an impact on the security and prosperity across europe? and that's why i strongly believe in what we told the strategy to autonomy of the european i think to this john fit is showing that is really important to us in 3 different trends. first, energy, energy independence don't need to explain a lot why you so important. and this is very clear was the $1357.00 point european defense together. we need to, we need to but this is very clear and we are acting that what we did the fast on the european. so when some members do decided to reduce the investments in defense, we can see to the we need 3 to tours. we need to, to, to you a tip abilities. it means that we need more cognition, the repeated level, and point 3, you know, vision, it shouldn't be so that guaranteed to prosperity. these are the 3,

the 3 major pillars. and we have a vision. why? because we found that the future of ukraine and rolled over is we send you did is a very clear message. this is a very clear plan for the future of the printer. and wow, presence and ask is not getting all the weapons he wants. but what if you can start losing this war? is there a contingency plan for that? what if russia against the old starts winning more battles on the ground occupying further territory? when you wake up and it's too late to get, get ukraine, the weapons it needs the ocean victory cannot be an option. and this is why we support you create. and i've understood that you have your own impression about what we are doing. i tend to, in to you that all the members this older you can lead us. they know what's it fit? i will say you will not let a, when are you, are you making that drum? this is so we clear just why you're making that from this is where we clear that we do every thinking of the to guaranteed to we toyota service integrity of ukraine.

it means the victory of ukraine that seem to clean, however long. and i live a long time as long as it takes, and i can repeat reputed to several times this commitment expressed by 27 had the states i can tell you own the forget to us a very emotional moment. the 1st virtual meeting within a few hours after the start of the 1st invasion, the $27.00 you need us were around the same table we spend solution participate in virtually in the meeting. i can tell you that all of us, all of us, we immediately fed the seriousness the importance of the moment. and that's why only in a few hours we've been able to take from them until the soon in terms of support for your queen and sanctions against russia. you've spoken by phone to vladimir putin over the course of the last year. if you had to pick one concrete result from the conversation from the discussion, what would it be when i had form cautiously after the start of the 1st tailor

business start out of the way. when i was so gross, we could do tuesday to, to focus on some human to insurances and attend you in the example one creatures. obviously this is really important to a low so you may through agencies, the request for instance, in our washing clothes, to intact with disorganization to make sure that they would have access to some territories in order to provide some support. certain example gets sent of prisoners very quickly after the start of the tools started through some international agencies on the sort of prisoners. these are 2 examples and point 3, i think it's very important also to, to, to advocate just even when we saw the roof, the principal. and this is why we are so committed to make sure that there will be a 20 ability. there is no place where trinity are you in the camp that says, we shouldn't humiliate mr. brewton, these are not worth it. i would use because this is very clear that the put in the

swearing to humiliate a big part of the world starting research, ukraine's and if you don't have much sympathy with monsieur macros, i don't wish mister corbett, i wouldn't use this word. what is very, what is, is there, we clear this is very important. also transitions the west of the world. this is really important because we have our own vision and we have a very strong case with 20 principals that you need to to, to defend the social din, your opinion, that myrtle, actually cooperation with this one thing that we important also to induce africa to induce restriction america, transition in defense, if a region know that another move others in order to counter the russian fit for, for the narrative and why, why don't we rush of narratives as well? it's just about choice because i really like to move on to china because paging has

been awarded a lot of face time by european leaders. you yourself met she jan thing last year. i was struck by your comment on the meeting when you said that both the e u. n. china have an interest in a rules based world with the un charter at its core. really given china's illegal expansion in the south china sea of the massive human rights violations taking place inside the country. it's clear they're not working from the same un rollbook as you are. so why suggest there's a common approach to rule face? well, when the clearly, when the truly is a 1st 1st i strongly believe in the military approach. i certainly believe in the you in chart, that was my question, but i will answer your question. and i said in point 2, so that look nice. we know we can observe that china would like to set the international ruth that wouldn't, that wouldn't be inspired by the same venue that you have on your site for, for, for, for instance, nessie 3 points, you know,

relationship research with china. first, we will be always the we firm in protecting and defending the human rights in the democratic principles is very clear and systematically when i had to petition to taught was a change or to teach i systematically, your, your cation to, to, to, to explain our, our convictions on those questions. point 1.2, i'm absolutely convinced that you need to, we balance the attributes relationship between china and the european union. and this is the idea to the rich relationship. but in florida, you flag them with the talk saying that they were the same rules. well, this is, this is necessary to use this word is smith and i am acting with regardless of china and point 3. if we are here use on the you side on climate change, if you i hear you so on some sit with the challenges we need to, to talk to you that we need to do with china. it doesn't me the,

to your dream on the, all the stuff. it's research china. let's take climate change. for instance, is important to try to convince china to be much more active, to put in place a carbon pricing mechanism, for instance, listed to his name listed 2019. and, and for instance, if we want to address those to the future, we need to talk with them and we saw to increase into it. i'd like to come back to the issue of human rights, which would you stress, you didn't please everyone on your trip. 10 major human rights groups are incense that you've reopened, what they called the meaningless human rights dialogues, with beijing, which was suspended in 2019 after the you sanctioned chinese officials involved in human rights violations for point by those groups, isn't it? because the talks so far, i have changed nothing and will continue to change nothing. you agreed to talk about how you agree and talk about human rights and they agree to ignore how we'd like to discussion. i would like to ask you a question. do you think that if you would stay in bruce, or if you would send

a community from brussels, understood that we would achieve some st absolutely tends to with chief nursing. and this is very important to induce. for instance, i'm very pro i am engaged without i was, i'm very proud. i'm very proud. it's after the meeting we had to put in she, in december, we've been able to, we launch this human wife della we've been because it isn't for us to advocate to mentioned turn concrete changes into, to, to, to defend, to really different the, the human rights of principles the democratic without a result and you without any results. i fully disagree you faint, follow your coach. it's me that we would be more efficient by staying here in brussel. we saw the condition of course this time of course is difficult. i am not seeing that we are deliver winter in one meet or in one soon, but them to visit if we do not induce absolutely certain that we will not deliver when we dish,

we open the door in order to do ever seen to deliver just very briefly, the human rights groups attempt, major human rights groups don't agree with you at all. they say having a human rights dialogue with china cannot seriously be an end in itself. they want to just turn aside log to real human rights progress, including infringement and to bass. what you're doing, this is a very central point. tell you exactly what you're doing when this is shana. this isn't we saw in tub discretions. yeah. but can you point to a single aspect of human rights in china that these talks have altered for the better in the past? can you since target 19 those thoughts were put on hold and 16. we launch those this all before. yeah, but since $319.00 it was put on all in total and we did, we did a political space opposed to the tween difference though. so we were just entry on all the topics that needs to be distressed and value in beggary. before my trip to

china, i had gifted to root menu, we present that he saw me watch the organizations and just so important it was just for me to listen to them and to use also the arguments that the, the share earlier this year china played host to francis president macro, who took a bunch of business with business with him to sign tre deals, and then decided to open up a rift between europe and the u. s. over taiwan. the great risk your faces, he said, isn't, gets caught up in crises that are not ours, which prevents it from building it's strategic autonomy isn't at the height of irresponsibility to highlight divisions with the most important ally, america at a time when both russia and china of joined forces to erode human rights and the rule of law to, to topic the research of every clear you, written position, language. notice this is where we're trying to say we are public full digits.

extremely clear point one important to untie one. there's also a very clear european position. we do accept the tend to, to, to change in either to either way the status quo in. i went to it point point one. and we're, we tonight, the one china policy is the traditional european policy. nothing is changed. which we will talk with policy chief, the public to slap down unless your micro, by saying you members should actually deploy war ships to patrol the taiwan strait in order to deter paging aggression. how are you going to sort out these differences of opinion on china, within the or not to do different things? first is a proposal made. they use it behind to be the responsibility of the member states to destroy the topic. and he's the responsibility of the people have to put some proposals on the table point one. well, that's what we're doing. it's not going to listen to growth. and then in france is

a reactive in the past situation, which shows its forces that will interest for the, for the region. but let me tell you that unless that in depression of media, especially in the recent days are always there is an impression of huge divisions on the european side on china impressions. i real know that the reality i will tell you because i think a little bit what the other sensitivities in the into chelsea. i think i can tell it in that in fact, we are much more convergent and then very turn from the to the following 2 weeks to democrat. today we have in europe, in the, in the, in the week to come. we will have the occasion to, to clarify, into the coming position of china. we will have enjoyed this my responsibility to put it took you to the gender in the you can don't feel a little bit on, on china. we are preparing the debate at the mystery level with a different estate order with our partners. we so thomas,

we are alive. let me ask you just one specific question, because we're running out of time. what's the use plan? if china invades tie one, what's the plan you, you, the plane is to do everything to convince china not to he took some stick. yeah. but if you failed, was that what this does this plan? he's been playing b r i with partners with to do in any case. what do you remember the, the weights for the start of the war against russia? we worked in trustworthiness and was all our partners to do to assist what would be our reactions? and we would, we would do the same and we are doing the same set up and it didn't prevent the yeah, yeah. because in fact you absolutely right there was someone in the kremlin, we sure who to, to the decision to stop a crazy war. the criminal saw and we are doing every scene to talk to,

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