[000:00:00;00] with secrets why behind these walls discover new adventures in 360 degrees. and explore fascinating world heritage sites. d w world heritage 360. here now we have been almost 5 months of virtual stalemate on the battlefields of ukraine. and yet, europe and america are clear that key f one gets the fighter aircraft and long range weapon systems. it was. so what's the ground and seen from brussels? is that one? my guess is, shall michelle, president of the european council. this is where we clear that we do every think, you know, the to guaranteed to return your 17 to 2. if you could get me the victory real

quick. let's be clear. and what about the confusion over you policy on china? president macro says taiwan. isn't europe's business. europe's foreign policy chief says it really is whatever happened to unity in the european union. obviously, welcome to come. thank you. let's talk 1st about the war and ukraine. if we may, for the past few months, has been very little movement on the battlefields of ukraine. the west, you included, has given large amounts of aid and weapons, but clearly not enough to move the war in key of direction. is the danger. now that you're beginning to normalize a stalemate is very clear that the on the you side, you are determined to do everything to support your credit specialist retain. and you are absolutely right. it's a very tricky after the start of the 1st year, the division launched by russia. we decided to provide military equipment the 1st

time in europe in unions. history. the 2 took such a decision. and since then to dead though, we saw our partners, our allies, across the world, we provide needed to support to ukraine. we provide financial means to ukraine. we help you quinn on my 3 sites to move as if you did you one of the example 2 weeks ago to the decision to work together. you member states to produce ammunition because we feel that is needed to strengthen our defense industrial base . you know, the to speed up and you're absolutely right. that is important to do everything to, to accelerate the effort. this is really important that the ukrainians made the shows to resist the extremely courageous. and this is a tragedy for them. and it's what i would you t, i responsibility is to do everything we can, you know that to assist to, to support them. and of course,

they're not. they're not impressed with the relationship with the you at the moment . ukraine's foreign minister dmitri labor has complained bitterly that the e u was failing to implement its own decision on the ammunition to purchase ammunition for the country. because member states were arguing over which suppliers they should actually and since, and sign a contract. and since that statement made by me for, for the fact we had your tension to clarify with the ukraine authorities, you know, that was wasted. we are entrenched in turn tact, prisons and interesting, and was the ukraine authorities. and i can, we assure you that the know that we are, we label friends and we label parts and also know that this is a magic bullet. we do everything to speed up. we have taken significant political decision is very clear that there's a 20 political choice on this you side to, to, to, to be, you know,

supposed to quit. but the reality that we still measured bullet faces, we need to make sure that we will produce more ammunition in the weeks and months to try to miss coraleive as deputy and j. melnick says that war fatigue among you members is now the biggest challenge for his country. there's a feeling he said that now the tank issue has been settled. people can put their feet up. a lot of them still don't understand that the war is far from over. is the right to worry about war fatigue in the, you know, it is, are we clear that we, we need to convince our citizens according to, you know, what state is the future of the european union, the future of our citizens, our security, our prosperity. but look, if we look at the situation of a few months ago and absolutely trend things that are proteins, generation was the fatigue why the impossibility for the european union to stick together to be united in retook protein and

a criminal by surprise. because we are able to stay together, we are able to have the support of a public opinion across the european and we were able, we have been able to, to, to, to stick together with our northern america allies and other partners across the way you say that but your foreign policy chief, you as a barrel said, recently, forging and maintaining you, unity against russians invasion has not always been easy. some states complained others disagree, but in the end we maintain the unity. so you papered over the cracks, what, what could open those cracks up again, this is, this is a very clear that unity it, which was a lot of effort. but the fact all the facts we have been able, for instance, to sanction russia. you remember that a lot has been set on some lists of fragmentation. on the new side,

we took decisions all together on 10 packages of sanctions. and we are implementing these petitions of sentence. we are working all together to mobilize the international community on the international stage who are working with africa within defense issues. is that in america, in order to explain, to argue, to try to convince sometime that you have done a lot on sanctions, can i just, you know, make a point here, but you're still using vast quantities of russian oil supplied mainly by laundromat countries. these are countries that loaned the oil from moscow and sell it on to you. china, india, turkey, u, a and singapore. do you know about this? have a look with fines wounded russian or what was, what was the situation in a few minutes or 2? only a few minutes ago, we were on the european so and broadly dependent on the russian forces, fuchs and only a few months. we succeeded to 2 decisions in order to,

to reduce our dependencies and the doors to end the dependencies on the russian. russian 15 fuses. why did we close this? why didn't you close this loop? this is what we are doing. you are working very hard to close all different loopholes with police. would you prefer the european union? nothing to position would go into the supply of energy resources for our businesses, for our host source. would you prefer the collapse of the european union? i suppose that is not what you are advocating for. and it's why we need to be reasonable to be rational and to be determined is exactly what we are doing. on the one hand, we do not know our long term strategy. we want more renewable energy on the side. we want, we want more independence in terms of energy policy on your site, but also to make sure that we defend our economy based and to defend the social situation of our citizens. you mentioned the risk of war fatigue and you are right

. these are important to work, to avoid being victim of such a risk is free, want to keep the support for citizens. this is important to demonstrate that you are working, you know, the also to overcome the, the energy challenges for instance, you know. but if you want to do something about war, fatiguing at time for a clear explanation of the use strategic objectives for ukraine and russia. plenty of generalized promises we've heard from the you told ukraine in february. the european union will support you in every way we can, for as long as it can. i can i just ask the question for as long as what takes, what exactly does this promise mean? this is, are we clear and the way your austin's the christmas and thrift and because it show that i'm not exactly following your approach in our approach you which has the responsibility to, to decide when to but you made the promise to please, please let your difference your choosing to answer your question, i will, i will answer. we split your question,

we should the ukrainians have the responsibility to just suffering 13 to the site when and the way in which elements to, to assist when this is time to, to, to, to, to open a new, a new chapter. and it's why we are supporting this piece formula developed and proposed de president's entity. and it's why also support nice idea to have an international piece so meet in order to defend the ukrainian position in spite by what we believe in the move to la through an older was boost international older the territorial integrity in sovereignty of the different of nations. because the world is the e, you scared of russia. you said in february, we're not intimidated and will not be intimidated by the kremlin because ukraine and the e u. r. family. but the truth is that the west, very much intimidated by russia,

is that the only reason for not giving care of the weapons at once is your fear of escalation with and perhaps of nuclear conflict. and this is really clear, you remember at the beginning of the war last by russia. this, what's important for us on the one hand to support ukraine, on the other hand, need to be part in the turn 15 other to, to avoid any restrict escalation. and he's very clear, i take the example of the nuclear weapons, it's, we stream the fun. when we indifferent china, for instance, another to convince the internet community china included to be very firm and very clear the use and even the threat of nuclear weapons is not responsible. and we need to do everything in order to make sure it will not be used when we support the united nations in separation. for instance, in order to prevent any research distillation, it shows that you are serious. we are responsible and again, the ukrainians. people in the u. k. so they know exactly what we are doing now to help them to resist. we're more than a year into this war,

which may well define europe, security architecture for generations to come. and we're still not sure what the use objectives. ah, so, so what is the big plan? because what scenario do you envisage? eternal war, frozen conflict? after all the killing and destruction, these 2 countries are not going to just shake hands and be friends. are they? what, what, what's the big plan for? if this war, when this war finally comes to an the bitch plan and the promise of the written justice, security, and prosperity. and the situation seems to me, easy, easy, and difficult to implement. you absolutely right. but this also what we did to what we been doing for ditches across the european continent. but this is very, very clear that what we face is

a tragedy. first for the ukrainian people sent you an on the security and prosperity across europe. and that's why i strongly believe in what we told the strategy to autonomy of the european i think to this john fit is showing that is really important to us in 3 different trends. first, energy, energy independence. don't need to explain a lot why you so important. and this is clear was the $1357.00 point you were in defense together. we need to, we can natal. but it is very clear and we are acting. that's what we did the fast on the european soul. when some members do decided to reduce the investments in defense, we can see to the we need 3 to tours. we need to 3 to you, a tip abilities. it means that we need more cognition, the repeated level, and point 3, you know, vision, it shouldn't be, you know, that guarantee to prosperity. these are the 3, the 3 major pillars. and we have a vision. why?

because we found that the future of ukraine and rolled over is we send you, did this a very clear message. this is a very clear plan for the future of the printer. and wow, presence landscape, not getting all the weapons he wants. but what if you can stop losing this war? is there a contingency plan for that? what if russia against the old starts winning more battles on the ground occupying further territory? when you wake up and it's too late to get, get ukraine, the weapons, it needs the ocean. victor, we cannot to be an option. and this is why we support you create. and i've understood that you have your own impression about what we are doing. i tend to, in to you that all the members this older you, it can lead us. they know what's it fit? i will say you will not let a when are you, are you making that? just so we're clear just why you're making that from this is very clear that we do every thinking of the to guaranteed to toyota service integrity of ukraine. it means the victory of ukraine that seem to clean, however long. and i live

a long time as long as it takes and i, and repeat, we pretend to several times. this commitment expressed by 27 had the state i can tell you own the forget to us a very emotional moment. the 1st virtual meeting within a few hours after start of the 1st invasion, the $27.00 you need us were around the same table. we spend simpson participate in virtually in the meeting. i can tell you that all of us, all of us, we immediately fed the seriousness the importance of the moment. and that's why, on, in a few hours we've been able to take from them until the soon in terms of support for your queen and sanctions against russia. you've spoken by phone to vladimir putin over the course of the last year. if you had to pick one concrete result from the conversation from the discussion, what would it be when i had form cautiously and after the start of the 1st taylor business, start out of the way i had to do so we had to choose to focus on some human to

insurances and attend you in the example one creatures. obviously this is, this is very important to allow some humanitarian agencies the request for instance, in our washing clothes to intact with disorganization, to make sure that they would have access to some territories in order to provide some support. certain example gets sent of prisoners very quickly after the start of the tools started through some international agencies on the sort of prisoners. these are 2 examples and point 3, i think it's very important also to, to, to advocate just even when we saw the roof, the principal. and this is why we are so committed to make sure that they will get to the ability. there is no place where trinity are you in the camp that says we shouldn't humiliate mr. brewton, these are not worth it. i would use beatrice. this is very clear that the put in is trying to humiliate a big part of the world starting research ukraine's and if you don't have much