example one coverage was obviously this is, this is very important to know. some humanitarian agencies. the request for instance in washing trust in factories ensuring station to make sure that they would have access to some territories in order to provide some support. certain example, descent of prisoners very quickly after the start of the tools started through some international agencies on the chair of prisoners. these are 2 examples and point 3, i think it's very important also to, to, to advocate because even when we saw the roof, the principal, and this is why we are so committed to make sure that they will get to the ability . there is no place where trinity are you in the camp that says, we shouldn't humiliate mr. brewton, these are not worth it. i would use beatrice. this is very clear that putting this into humiliate a big part of the world's starting research, ukraine's. and if you don't have much sympathy with monsieur macros,

i don't like to wish mister colbert, i wouldn't use the. so does this work? what is very, what is there? we clear this is very important. also transitions the west of the world. this is really important because we have our own vision and we have a very strong case with 2 principles that we need to to, to defend the social in europe union, the letter cooperation. this wanted, was it we important also to engage with africa to induce the can america transition in defense if the region know that another move others in order to counter the russian fit in for, for the narrative. and what was rush of narratives as well is that just about choice. i'd really like to move on to china because paging has been awarded a lot of face time by european leaders. you yourself met she jan thing last year. i was struck by your comment on the meeting when you said that both the

e u. n. china have an interest in a rules based world with the un charter at its core. really given china's illegal expansion in the south china sea and the massive human rights violations taking place inside the country. it's clear they're not working from the same un rollbook as you are. so why suggest there's a common approach to rule face? well, when the clearly, when the, to me as a 1st 1st i funny believe in mr. letter, i certainly believe in the shop. that was my question, but i will answer your question. i shouldn't point you so that look nice. we know we can observe that china would like to set the international ruth and ruth that wouldn't, that wouldn't be inside by the same venue that you have on your site for, for, for, for instance, $93.00 points, you know, relationship with china. first, we will be always the we firm in protecting in defending the human rights in the

democratic principles is very clear and systematic. when i had 2 children to talk was a change of 3 teens. i systematically your your cation to, to, to, to explain our, our convictions on those question is point 1.2. i'm absolutely convinced that we need to, we balance the iterate relationship between china and the european union. and this is the idea to the richer relationship. but in florida, you flat them with that all saying that they were in the same rules. well, this is, this is necessary to use this word smith and i am acting to regardless of china and point 3. if we are here use on the you side on time of change, if we are here you. so on some sit with the challenges we need to, to talk to you that we need to induce china. doesn't me the, to your dream on the, all those stop is reesa, china. let's take climate change, for instance, is so important to try to convince china to be much more active, to put in place

a carbon pricing mechanism. for instance, let's to to, to have his name listed 2019 and, and for instance, if we want to address those to the future, we need to talk with them. and we saw the transition to us. look, i'd like to come back to the issue of human rights, which would you stress, you didn't please everyone on your trip. 10 major human rights groups are incense that you've reopened, what they call the meaningless human rights dialogues, with beijing, which was suspended in 2019 after the u. sanction chinese officials involved in human rights violations set point by those groups, isn't it? because the talks so far have changed nothing and will continue to change nothing. you agreed to talk about, you agrees and talk about human rights and they agreed to ignore how we'd like to discussion. i would like to ask you a question. do you think that if you would stay in brussels, if you would send the community from brussels on to stop it, we would achieve some st absolutely. turns into to with chief nursing. and this is

very important to induce. for instance, i'm very pro i am without i was, i'm very proud. i'm very proud. it's after the meeting we had to put in she in december, we've been able to, we launch this human weiss della. we've been teaching for us to advocate to mentioned turn concrete changes into 2 i to, to defense, to really different the, the human rights of principal, the democratic without result and you without any results. i fully disagree you think if i follow your approach, it's me that we would be more efficient by staying here in brussel we saw a condition of course, the time of course is difficult. i am not seeing that. we do live winter in one meat or in one soon, but i am convinced that if we do not induce is absolutely certain that we will not deliver when we dish we open the door in order to do every scene to deliver just very briefly, the human rights groups attempt, major human rights groups don't agree with you at all. they say having

a human rights dialogue with china cannot seriously be an end in itself. they want to look that was just too high. log to real human rights progress, including sion, janet, to base what you're doing. this is very central point. tell you exactly what you're doing when this isn't it's shaina. this isn't something on the threshold. yeah. but can you point to a single aspect of human rights in china that these talks have altered for the better in the past? can you since to 19 those thoughts were put on hold and 16 to we launch those this all before. yeah, but since 19 it was put on all in total and we did, we did a political space opposed to the look to industries though, so we were just entry on all the topics that needs to be distressed and value in beggary before my trip to china i had the opportunity to route menu and present that you saw those human watch, the organizations,

and just so important it was just for me to listen to them and to use also the arguments that the shed we spoke earlier. this year china played host to francis president macro, who took a bunch of business with business men with him to sign trade deals, and then decided to open up a rift between europe and the us over taiwan. the great risk your faces, he said, isn't, gets caught up in crises that are not ours, which prevents it from building it's strategic autonomy isn't at the height of irresponsibility to highlight divisions with your most important ally, america at a time when both russia and china joined forces to erode human rights and the rule of law to topics the research of every clear european position. language united states is very strong and we are both full digits, extremely clear point one and point to untie one. there's also a very clear european position. we do accept the tend to, to,

to change in the, to either way, the status quo into one's tweet point point one. and we are, we are now one china policy. this is the traditional european policy. nothing is changed, which we dealt with your policy chief joseph publicly slept down list your macro by saying you members should actually deploy war ships to patrol the taiwan strait in order to deter paging aggression. how are you going to sort out these differences of opinion on china within the are not 2 different things? first is a proposal made by usually people have to be the responsibility of the member states to discuss the talk, you can use the, the responsibility of usually people have to put some proposals on the table point one. well, it's not going to, this is rosa and get in from his every activity into participation which shows its forces that will interest for the, for the region. but let me tell you that i'm aware that in depression of media,

especially in the recent days, always there is an impression of huge divisions on the european side on china impressions. i real know that the unity i will tell you because i think a little bit what the other sensitivities in the into chelsea. i think i can tell you that in fact, we are much more convergent and then we turn to the, to the following to we just a democrat today we have in europe, in the, in the into which to come, we will have occasion to, to clarify, into the coming position of china we will have enjoyed is my responsibility to put it took me to the gender in the you can don't feel little bit. and on china, we are preparing the debate at the mystery level with a different state older with our partners, with partners. we allow me ask you just one specific question because we're running out of time. what's the use plan? if china invades taiwan? what's your plan?

you, you, the plane is to do everything to convince china not to 6 in the state. yeah. but if you fail was that? yeah. ok. what does this plan? he's been in plain b. r. i with partners with to do what? in any case, what do you remember the wait for the start of the war against russia we worked towards mission was all of us know do to assist what would be our reactions and we will, we will do the same and we are doing the same. so, and it didn't prevent the nation. yeah, yeah. because in fact you absolutely right there was someone in the kremlin with sure who to, to the decision to stop a crazy war the criminal saw. and we are doing every scene to talk to, to make sure that you quinn because he's our interest. sha michelle, be great, have you covered some things i watch a date with

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