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we look at the fake news about the ukranian invasion, being generated by a russian troll factory and sedans, warring generals agree to send delegates to negotiations. it's hope the 2 sides can agree a stable see speier and call. this comes as the un, warren's more than 800000 people may lead sudan due to the conflict. plus how the devastating earthquakes that hit turkey and february are also shaking voters confidence in the countries president ahead of elections. ah hello, i'm terry martin. good to have you with us. united states claim said over $20000.00 russian troops had been killed in ukraine since december in the battle over the eastern city. moot intelligence sources say an additional $80000.00 were injured in
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the same period. according to a declassified report, half of the fallen, or from the bog, no military group which has been attempting to take control of bach mode. the strategically unimportant city has become the focal point of russia's campaign to take control of the don bus region in the east of the country. more of this, let's cross over to our correspondent nick connelly in t a. nick, how reliable are the casualties numbers released by the white house concerning russian soldiers and ukraine? while these are always numbers that are to be looked at with a lot of caution. these are historic, contained those american estimates being relatively conservative, but up to the they're not on the ground, not able to really fact check all of this. and in a war situation, neither side are publishing official numbers. lots of people are still counted as
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missing in action rather than actually deceased. so from the relatives don't get any kind of conclusive answers for months at a time. but it's certainly the case that back more has been the scene of extraordinary losses on the russian side. and no real sense there that the russian, a military command is in any mood to try and fight in a more kind of conservative, more cautious way that would reduce those losses. and we do believe that the ukraine losses ah, so different, but smaller by a significant weight than the russian losses of the in defense. you're in a better position than if you're trying to take territory. but all to this conflict, we've been trying to kind of work out what these numbers really are. and you know, from the ukrainian side, every couple of months, you'll get some statements that last summer we had the top ukraine general saying that you can ukraine's losses were below 9000. then more recently we've had a top security official saying that a wounded and dead under a 100000. but basically these numbers are all pretty far out. and i think we're going to really count the cost of this war much, much later. there's no real sense that we have any opportunity right now to know
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quite how many people are losing their life. the war, of course, is also having a devastating impact on ukraine's economy. nick, a recent report in the world bank suggests a quarter of ukrainians were living in poverty last year. how bad is the economic situation there now? it is very difficult. lots people savings on now exhausted after a year of getting by lots people have left the country and that has taken the pressure off bits. but certainly lots of the country's main industrial regions, all the seen fighting now, lots of big factories not working. and then with russia locating the poets on able to get exports out. so this is a country that is getting by thanks to westlake, nick, thank you very much. our corresponded in kiev, nick connelly. the ward and ukraine isn't just being fault on the ground. of course, it's also happening in the information space. russia is churning out a nearly constant stream of fake stories to support its military aims. or next report is the 1st in
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a series on the disinformation space. we look at how this information is created distributed and what makes a fake story. most effective social media is full of these images and stories. they can spread in an instant if they find an audience, they can create confusion, fear, or confirm extreme opinions. many of them start here in the russian city of st. petersburg at what's known as the internet research agency or i r re, also known as the troll factory. deborah, it's owned by wagner paramilitary group finance here. if jenny, pre gozine scene here allegedly at the front in ukraine as his private army shoots at ukrainian positions, the i r a is just one agency that works along with russia's fs. be intelligent service. also creating content are patriotic volunteers, while others trolls and bots spread the word on social media. the messages are
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intended to hit different targets or sometimes multiple targets. russian government to and russian propaganda machine uses all the distribution channels available to influence their own population to influence ukrainians and to influence foreign audiences saying the european union in the united states. and of course, they try to influence different audiences with the different sets of messages and the, with the, of course, with the different aim. for example, they, they want to influence their own population to, to increase support of so called special offer military operation to influence people to go to the army and to and
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now they are trying to influence ukrainians with not just, not with pro ration messages because it would be impossible to influence ukrainians with pro russian met messages right now. but to, to split our society, to, to create conflicts to, to fuel exist in conflicts to make ukraine, to resistance, to this aggression weaker. and of course, they tried to influence the western communities western countries. so a population of western countries to weaken our support. let's look at some examples of fake messages that found audiences. this image of ukrainian president followed me as a lansky giving away parts of ukraine to poland in exchange for tanks based on no real reporting, but playing on ancient fears of ukraine's being divided yet again. or this message
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for a russian audience stating that the u. s. intends to launch 5000 tomahawk missiles at russia in a surprise strike supposedly source from the new york times, though no record of any such article exists on the new york times website. for this, alleging the president lansky has squirreled away a fortune fueling longstanding stereotypes about ukrainian leaders, corruption. this one feeds the narrative in far right and far less circles in the u . s. in europe, that sending money to ukraine is wasteful and useless on the enriching the leadership there. what makes these messages effective? i think if i would have to choose one word that describes it, it will be a subtlety. so basically a really good piece of information is predominately using actual facts i is either twisting them or adding something on top or is falsifying just a bit of it. so from the 1st, you know, reads or the 1st glance it might seem real. and then,
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and then you sort of can drag them because, you know, if someone saw something i've seen, you can just clearly see that it's your, you just look away when it's subtle, when there is a variety of different factors involved. when it seems that there are a lot of different voices, voices out, especially on line on social media. if we see that there's a lot of comments in going on there in the sixty's or and using the article. this can be highly, highly, highly active. because it just seems, seems real, it just seems real and it is real to many people, though it's impossible to measure how many people's minds are changed by disinformation. it's clear that russia places a high value on it and that the barrage of fake and twisted stories is not likely to lead up soon. spring in marina myron here she's with the war studies department of kings college funded, and she also contributed to a research project on the use of information in the time of war. going to see again, marina, how effective are these fake news stories?
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do they play a big role in the ukraine war? hi, thanks for having me. well, they are pretty effective when it comes to different audiences when we're looking at the russian side, and we have to understand that this is an ongoing struggle for russia. this is an information struggle which has existed both in peace time and now in worth time. and so, from the russian side, the information competing targeted against ukraine has not been as successful in the west. however, russia has shifted its focus away from, from the west to a certain degree, to target the african countries to target latin american countries to target countries in asia and the middle east. and this is worth his campaign is paying off, at least from what we're, we're seeing in terms of the magic relations. because this is one part of
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a bigger strategy, which is supported by economic tools by diplomatic tools, by sure force. so within the crane itself, it's not as effective. however, it's effective brode, talk to us about the volume of fake messaging. is it increasing? is the war goes on? it is very difficult to measure it. so there is no way to quantify it. only post more than we can focus on the specific network, such as twitter to try to discern. however, again, we have real people unknowingly rec, posting misinformation or this information, and then we have bots. so there are no real studies which would say the amount of fake news or this information has gone up. and it's obviously just one spectrum that we're looking at the cyber spectrum. that being said, we're seeing that the russian approach has been changing from the very beginning
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because we have seen a lot of effort by the ukrainian agencies. those are private advertising agencies to counter russian narrative. so we're seeing more shift about in terms of one that is difficult to say. yeah, you mentioned the ukranian side is ukraine also generating war propaganda? that includes fake news stories. well, innocence, yes. if we're looking at past year and remember a story about the goals of key of this kind of the mythology, it doesn't necessarily have to be negative or you know how certain weapon systems were described by the ukrainian media songs were made. it is done for, for, for a specific purpose and both sides are engaging and this information confrontation however, i guess what ukraine is doing is more kind of missile logical. and it's not as
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negative received as things that are coming from russia, which are different in their own spirit, or in a thank you very much. that was marina myron of kings call it one. thank you. now to the conflict in sudan and the united nations official, a united nations official there says the warring generals have agreed to send representatives to negotiations. all capital said the talks could be held in saudi arabia and would focus 1st on establishing a durable truce. clashes are still being reported in a capital cartoon, despite an agreement between rival military forces to extend a cease fire. smoke rises over hot tube, a monday evening. yet and the ceasefire apparently broken. the 1st international shipment, a few monetary and aid arrived in sudan at the weekend. but 10 years president
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william britt, so set his neighbor, needs more support. but the same way we manage to evacuate people from the theater. i think the ease, the way we can accessed that theater with humanitarian support, the streets of the capital, a largely deserted shop, some bank trimmings shattered and access to medical care becoming ever more difficult for our lee as get many working and trained mines in the health care sector fleeing sudan to my book, there is a withdrawal of many, n g o z and non n g o z due to direct attacks. by all means, it's a disaster, like a month or more by shot at abilene, the either one of them, of nationals from 12 countries arrived on the ship to saudi arabia. they were greeted by medical staff and local officials with government as well as
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representatives from foreign embassies. but for many, leaving by admiral c is not an option. these families fled over sue dan's western border on donkeys arriving in child. after days of travelling, emergency workers had a start warning about the potential looming crisis. if we fail to act now, it will be too late. ah, wherein he sees on his tummy in few weeks. and that if we don't provide any assistance of the people, ah ver road will be block and all that, if you did, yeah, will be so the united nations wants a number fleeing sudan could soon surpass 800000. i'm a conflict could destabilize the region for the thousands that have
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already left the violence may be behind them. but the multiple challenges facing the displaced still lie ahead or as we shall cease fires of so far, failed to stop fighting and should an i asked cairo based canadian journalist madness shed if the proposed negotiations between the warring parties could result in a breakthrough. yeah, i mean i'm not very optimistic again, i think it's always important to chart to judge what these generally do as opposed to what they say delicate may be accordingly. but how serious will they be engaged? negotiating doesn't look very serious. were neither of these generals can hold the seats buyer. my worry is that we continue to applauded generals for purely what they say and their messaging, their office, and not actually for engaging ongoing and food alarm conflict in the country. and
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that was indicative when asked me, blank, and secretary of state of the us just maybe a couple of days ago applauded a ceasefire between you know, him at the, on the military side and up or on, on the military side. when in fact, people on the ground where you know very clearly using video and photos to demonstrate that actually there was really no seats fired. i'll take a look at a couple of other stories making headlines around the world today. militants in gaza have fired rockets at israel on tuesday. following the death of canada. none a leading palestinian figure in the islamic jihad group. he died in israeli custody after being on hunger strike since february. as long as your heart is considered a terrorist organization. by the european union and the united states. writers in
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hollywood have gone on strike, capture, pay and working over pay and working conditions. the writers guild of america launched its 1st strike. and 15 years after talks with major studios ended without a deal late i talk shows will shut down and tv series and movie sets or movies set for release later this year will face delays. australia is banning the sale of most bait being products and a crackdown on recreational nicotine news. the sale of beeps and e cigarettes will be restricted to pharmacies and vapors will be forced to get a prescription. australia will also restrict the flavors and level of nicotine in e cigarettes. turkey is holding elections later this month and poll suggest recham time out of one who's been in power for more than 20 years, is more vulnerable than he's ever been before. he's being blamed for chronic
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inflation, which now stands at 50 per cent. he's also pacing criticism for his government's slow response to devastating earthquakes which struck turkey in february. more than 50000 people were killed. hundreds of thousands of buildings collapsed or were seriously damaged. millions have been left ohms, are corresponded. julia han went to adi. i'm on a stronghold for president ad one and one of the cities worst hit by the disaster. the cemetery and audio amman is getting bigger every day. more than 7000 new graves have been added here. since february's earthquakes. many are temporary. without head stones, memories salvaged from the rubble with a bridal veil. a saca josie
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saved ha. john comes here almost every day. she lost a large part of her family in the quakes shewy. this is my niece's grave. she was 9 months old. will bull here. my father and my mother here is one of my brothers with his children and his wife. sometimes i wish i had died too while my it's hard to go on living like this with him, survived and yet torn from life. this is how so many field here in audio, mon, eileen da, david, and mourns the loss of her parents and brother. she wasn't an audio am on the day the quake struck. got you come on. when she came back among the family home was gone. large part of the city had collapsed,
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rescue teams arrived late, people felt abandoned. eileen is still angry about the government's crisis management belts. aaliyah o young no one had made a mistake. exhibit no one steps down. no one takes responsibility, enamel cyber if the buildings had been built, earthquake proof. if the authorities had checked regularly and surely fewer people would have died, the evidence exam will become that in son, only that many in turkey have criticized president regis. tie of ad one's slow response to the disaster. they also accuse him and his government of not having done enough to prevent unsafe and corrupt building practices. the president who's fighting for 3rd term in office has admitted that there was some shortcomings. and promised a reconstruction project of historic proportions college called danny shows. we're
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starting the construction of permanent housing watch, which is the most important need at a pace that is hard to believe. rec her were determined to deliver $319000.00 houses with their infrastructure, public buildings, social facilities, and commercial areas within one year, with his main rival and the upcoming elections. as came alcala. jd old, who has a good chance of ousting. add one poll suggest he claims the presidents reconstruction plans will cost them too much money for the midterm. but under that and we'll rebuild these houses quickly and it will cost you nothing. why does the current government want to charge you money? because if homes collapse, because they're not earthquake proof good avenue, and the government is responsible for them, not the citizens you got it is, but under say the weeks have passed since the earthquakes,
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and yet the destruction here is still overwhelming. and the survivors, grief and trauma, heart wrenching, whoever wins the upcoming election, will face a seemingly impossible task to bring back hope. when now there is only despair at the symmetry and the audio mon, the discussion about the upcoming elections seems far away. saved alo, john hopes that she and the small family she has left will have a future that they will get the real help they need and not just empty promises during an election campaign. for more on turkey's upcoming election, we're joined now by our correspondent julia hon. who filed that report? she joined us today. from is bull. you'll get your report showed us some of the challenges facing people in turkey in the aftermath of the earthquake. how is all
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that likely to affect the upcoming election? well 1st of all, a huge logistic challenge forward. he has said they would set up ballot boxes for voters in temporary shelters and earthquake zone. but really, one of the main problems is the large number of people who have moved out of the disaster, though we're talking about at least 2000000 people who are now living elsewhere. and according to the figures we have only a fraction of them have re registered their addresses. so they would actually have to return to the quick hid provinces in order to be able to cast their votes. the opposition tells us they're trying to organize the buses, but they also say there was only so much they can do. so there is a risk that many, many people will not be able to vote in the upcoming elections. how is that going to affect the outcome? it's a question very difficult to answer and more generally speaking for turkey, election, safety and potential vote for our series concerns,
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particularly voiced by the opposition and opposition voters. the main opposition alliance told us they are trying to mobilize up to half a 1000000 people to monitor for the upcoming election. so election safety is a key concern. so election, safety, monitoring, logistics. so those are obviously factors, but what issues might ultimately decide this election in turkey? there are many, obviously, but what worries vote has more than any other issue is the economy. what we've seen in recent years in turkey is an inflation driven cost of living crisis, which has eroded support for president regis. tie a bad one. people tell me they have seen their rent prices skyrocket. they have to think twice what they can actually afford to buy at the supermarket, families don't have enough money to plant any vacations anymore. many have drifted into poverty. and then if you talk to young voters, for example,
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millions of 1st time voters have never seen another leader, but reggie tie a bad one and they strongly oppose the government's clam downs on freedom of expression and lifestyles. and that is something the opposition is trying to use. they are promising an end to one man rule and turkey returned to parliamentary democracy independent institution, freedom of expression. so this election has really turned into a referendum on ad one's rule. tell us more about president ad one's main challenger in this election. c'mon should church dark blue. i believe he's called could he actually defeat ada one? well this mode is too close to coal poll suggests and neck and neck race between ty of our one and his main challenger came out college, the who is managed to unite 6 opposition parties. he also has the support of the main pro cottage party b h t p, which is seen as a king maker. so
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a lot of that stake, if you look at the campaigns, they couldn't be more different, present ed and trying to nurture his strong men image showcasing his achievements. his campaign has in western undertones. he is trying to attack and discredit the opposition while came a coach that is a former civil servant, much less charismatic than one, but many people think he has integrity. he is trying to portray himself as the man who can actually solve people's problems here in the country. but as i said, julia, this is going to be a tight race. thank you very much, julia 100 is double. thanks for watching with
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