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ah, ah, in the past 6 months chat, g, p r has become the fastest growing ap in history. he uses artificial intelligence to answer questions about anything just like humans but much faster. and just like humans, it can make mistakes, be biased and beat, manipulate it. this week jeffrey hinton, who was known as the godfather of a i said that he's quit his job at google in order to freely speak his mind about the dangers of artificial intelligence. tonight, a warning to you, humanity, to slow down our rush to deploy a i could become a sprint to disaster. i'm production berlin, this is the day. ah,
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i come to the conclusion that the kind of intelligence we're developing is very different from the intelligence we have. a i can help you with some very difficult challenges like disease and climate change. this is another particular thing i want to talk about, which is the existential, where as to what happens when these things get more intelligible, that has the potential of civilizational instruction. the issue is now that we've discovered it works better than we expected a few years ago. tom, what do we do to mitigate long term risk? also coming up russia's fake news campaign over its war on ukraine. just how effective is moscow's troll factor, a friend russian side. the information competing targeted against ukraine has not been as successful in the west. however, russia has shifted its focus away from, from the west to a certain degree, to target to african countries to target latin american countries to target
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countries in asia. ah, or job viewers watching p b, the united states and to all of you around the world. welcome, we begin the day with the dangers of artificial intelligence. we may not see until it's too late. 2023. it's becoming the year of chat g p t. it's popularity has helped thrust artificial intelligence into the public. i like never before. we're now talking about a i the pros and cons like never before, but do we even see what we think we are looking at? the advances in a i are now exponential so fast that some a i, experts now predict artificial intelligence will become more intelligent than humans. by the end of this decade, a growing chorus of tech thinkers or warning we are not prepared. and that includes jeffrey hinton, a leading machine learning pioneer. he's known as the godfather of a i. he says it's time to put the brakes on a i while we still can't we scientists,
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right? we're exploring what happens when you train lodge neural nets on computers. and that's just reality that we ended up here. um, it's one of those things where there's no way that people want going to explore it . um, the issue is now that we've discovered it works better than we expected a few years ago. um, what do we do to mitigate the long term risks of um, things more intelligent than us taking control of the question there when a bring you know, lindsey gordon. she's a senior fellow for emerging technologies at the alliance for securing democracy in washington. d. c. lynch. it's good to see you again jeffrey hinton. he wants us to slow down. he has joined a growing course of ai experts. we're calling for a moratorium on a i development and deployment. where do you stand on this?
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well, i think, i think that he speaks to a very real concern that a i, systems are progressing rapidly more quickly than anyone really expected a couple years ago. the idea that we could train large language models such as chopping g p t and have it display what we think of as intelligent asks and capability is not something we really saw. and i think that's cause a little bit of a panic um too. and in the community to say, you know, how revolving this technology, where's it going can to get ahead of humans? i don't think we're there yet. and certainly there, these are capability that looked like intelligence. i'm and maybe moving in that direction, of course. but i don't think we're necessarily at the point where a i is taking over humans. but there are real concerns with how these systems are going to be used and how they are, are already being used when it comes to the information environment. when it comes
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from, from job displacement and when it comes to extending wage inequality, you know, check g p t of italy of as soon as check g, b to really exploded. italy put a ban on the chair bought, which was then later lifted. is that the right approach on when we're talking about maybe trying to get a better hand on managing ai? well, i think you have to hand it to italy in that it very aggressively deployed its existing legal architectures to this new technology. and specifically, it applies the general data protection framework, g p r, the use of landmark data privacy and data protection legislation to say that jack chat g p t hadn't actually justified and need and really demonstrated the need to scrape all the data that was used to train the model on the internet, including including in italy. and that was really the reason for and the legal
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basis for that block to provide that justification for wireless creepiness, this data to develop the system at without, without justifying the need. but i think it does really speak to this question of how much do we, are we able to apply the existing legal framework such as the g, p r, as in the case of italy? and how much do we really need to develop new regulatory frameworks to address these new applications and new uses a new risks with these large language models. and i think the answer is a little bit of both. and of course, when we talk about regulation, we're not talking about something that's going to happen over night. in the meantime, we're going to have a big election in the united states. i'm thinking about the 2024 presidential election. i'm wondering what will a i mean for that now last week you re tweeted a post with a video of that is a 100 percent generated by a i is a video by the republican national committee against president bible. it's
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a 32nd clip and see right here that shows on china attacking taiwan, the u. s. banking system collapsing. and it shows the u. s. border with mexico being over one by migrants of the video. and it looks real crisis and you say that this is a big is coming off the travel y. well, researchers are organization and many others for years have been warning and raising the alarm about the spectre and deep fakes. and the possibility that political actors, or even foreign actors, looking to interfere in democratic elections, could use these completely fake images, video, or even text now, or saying to manipulate voters into certain preferences and into certain candidates and in certain world views. and this is about the general information environment, whether that's chinese propaganda or russian does information. but it also comes to
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a flash point when we're talking about elections. and i think 2024 may be the 1st election where deep fakes and where a i generated images and video play a much more significant role than they have in the past. has always been this kind of alarmist. worry that something is going to flip the mind of a voter may be on the eve of the election, and we don't have time to prove that its act fate and, and we, it's just become so much easier to create these videos. and so they really need to be labeled as such so that we can tell what's real and what's not. and you know, us intelligence tells us that russia amused social media to maebelle in the 2016 and the 2020 elections. it's 2023. there's still no regulation of social media. can washington d. o with artificial intelligence? well, that is really the $1000000.00 question. i think there is no reason to suspect that our foreign adversaries are going to set this election out as they haven't from the
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previous previous elections. and whether they'll be able to manipulate a i or, or maybe they don't even need to, i think is the question. now there have been some efforts to on, on, on behalf of the social media platforms to prohibit the use of manipulated content and manipulated videos. right. on the eve, maybe the 2 weeks leading up to an election. i think we're very likely to see similar policies put in place in 2024 if we don't get broader regulation. and i think those policies really should include the requirements to label, manipulated, and, and deep faked and ai generated images and video. because now anyone can make these images with mid journey with duct lee. and it's not something that only computer science labs are able to generate those. a good boy. maybe they should insist on putting watermarks on these videos. i want to ask you about what we're seeing here in the european union. it, we know it's led the way with legislation to protect our data privacy on the
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internet. now the, you was drawing up legislation that would make a i companies disclose any copyrighted material that's used to train their checkbox . for example. um, is this, in your opinion? it would this be a way to control a i i don't know if it's a way to control a i a, so much as a way to preserve intellectual property. because there's a real concern of if an a i system is developed using to refer to prior terry information whether that and the corporate side, or in the artistic side who really owns the, the results of that if an ai generates new poetry and new art. but it's actually working by spoofing and copying and kind of predicting what a famous poet or a famous, famous artist would be writing or creating or drawing. then really gets to the question of ownership, who has created this. i'm and so i think this effort by the you is
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a really strong attempt to get at this question of copyright infringement. and, and as i said earlier, apply some of kind of the existing framework that we have run copywriter on data to this new a. i era, so i don't know if i see it as a, as a way to control a i think the broader regulation when we think about and, and the u as doing this as well on kind of a risk based framework for a i harms that's going to be that's going to take a little bit more time, but it absolutely makes sense to apply kind of the existing tools that we have to make sure that there isn't an intellectual property in artistic and creative infringement and on, on, on ownership. as this system develop and they become more popular, lindsey gorman is always linds. we appreciate your time and your insights tonight. thank you. thanks. ah, turkey is holding elections this month, and the polls suggest that president richard, pioneer to juan, is more vulnerable than ever. after being in power for more than 20 years,
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he's being blame now for the countries chronic inflation standing at 50 percent and for his government slow response to february's devastating earthquakes, more than 50000 people were killed. hundreds of thousands of buildings, the lamps over seriously damaged millions were left homeless. a d a mod is an older one electoral stronghold and one of the cities worst hit by the disaster. he w correspondent, julia han reports from there to night. the cemetery and our dear man is getting bigger every day. more than 7000 new graves have been added here since february's earthquakes. many are temporary. without head stones, memories salvaged from the rubble with
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a bridal veil. a saca josie saved up. allah! john comes here almost every day. she lost a large part of her family in the quakes. sure, this is my niece's grave. she was 9 months old will bull here and my father and my mother here is one of my brothers with his children and his wife took his to sometimes i wish i had died too while my it's hard to go on living like this with him survived and yet torn from life. this is how so many field here an idea man. eileen da, david and mourns the loss of her parents and brother. she wasn't an audio man. the day the quakes struck up. you come on when she came back
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among the family home was gone. large part of the city had collapsed. rescue teams arrived late. people felt abandoned. eileen is still angry about the government's crisis management. benefits aaliyah. o young no one had made a mistake exactly. no one steps down, no one takes responsibility in them a little cyber. if the buildings had been built earthquake proof. if the authorities had checked regularly and surely fewer people would have died. but those did, some will become that in son, only. the many in turkey have criticized president regis, tie of ad one's slow response to the disaster. they also accuse him and his government of not having done enough to prevent unsafe and corrupt building practices. the president, who's fighting for 3rd term in office has admitted that there was some shortcomings and promised
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a reconstruction project of historic proportions college recalled that any shows were starting the construction of permanent i was at work, which is the most important need at a pace that is hard to believe that her were determined to deliver $319000.00 houses with their infrastructure, public buildings, social facilities, and commercial areas within one year, with his main rival in the upcoming elections as came out college old, who has a good chance of ousting add one poll suggest he claims the presidents reconstruction plans will cost the earthquake with themselves too much money that are living with them. they have that vehicle on between. but on the set of wheel rebuild these houses quickly and it will cost you nothing that he up with. why does the current government want to charge you money? this may be a quote, but if homes collapse because they're not earthquake proof good ebony and the government is responsible for them of not the citizens. he got it, but under said,
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the law weeks have passed since the earthquakes. and yet the destruction here is still overwhelming. and the survivors, grief and trauma, heart wrenching, whoever wins the upcoming elections, will face a seemingly impossible task to bring back hope. when now, there is only despair at the cemetery and the audio am on the discussion about the upcoming elections seems far away. saved our la john hopes that she and the small family she has left will have a future that they will get the real help they need and not just empty promises. during an election campaign were joining me now is osler iden tosh, but she is a visiting fellow at brookings at a washington based public policy. think tank. it's good to have you on the program . let me start by getting your opinion on president air to once
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a botched earthquake response, is that response? is it going to be the deciding factor in the selection? good to be here and well, i think your reporter touched upon one of the key issues in the selection, the slow response to earthquake, but voters are also reacting to turkey's terrible economic situation. sometime last year, we turkey had triple digit inflation. food prices are officially inflation around 50 percent, but unofficially, you know, by independent watchdogs, it's measured in triple digits. so i and then you how you also have the fact that everyone has been empowered for 20 years can no longer connect with younger people . he's offering a particular vision for turkey. make turkey great again, very much focused on turkey's home growing defense industry tanks to new aircraft
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carrier, you know, military might. but then again, you also have a segment of the population that is seeing a disconnect between what president ardon is offering in the news. a new imperial vision and their daily lives. his effects young people, this effect secularists, but increasingly urban middle class from all different ideological backgrounds, including some conservatives, urban conservatives for a disgruntled unhappy about the direction of the country. how so whatever happened this election president are to want whether he wins or not. he is facing an anti air tuan majority. and i think this is an important point. okay, that's an important point to the person who would like to replace it a want to describe him for our audience, for people, perhaps you don't fall with turkish politics. oh, so i used to be a journalist and had the opportunity to get to know both man and no to man can be
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part of the report. can my college dar, olu is a is a soft spoken former. as in former civil servant used to be work at the the, the head of the social security division. he is 74 years old. sort of a thoughtful social democrat. not a man who is known for his machismo or his sort of tough of tactics when it comes to politics, but he's not positioning himself as the next hour to one. and i think that is also very important. he's basically saying, look, i am a transition figure, are you nightmare? this is a big tent. this is a big coalition and i can guide this country until we return to rule of law and democracy. the big point, the sales pitch of the session is democracy room. it sounds like you're just, you're describing him as maybe turkey's version of joe biden,
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who promised to take the united states out of the trump error. is that what he's doing? i'm going to take you out of year to one error. that's exactly what it is. that's exactly what it is. he is leading a coalition that has different political parties. it's a coalition of 6 parties and is externally backed by the kurdish party program party. so you have people who come from a different ideological strains and he's basically saying, i am a neither. this is a big tent, it's turkeys you're by the moment, or we're going to see whether it's turkeys are ready for is joe biden movement. and i think the and on a different level, you know, opposition parties have agreed to bring the country back to rule of law and parliamentary system. and as such, a point rich girl is a transition figure. let me ask you before we run out of time quickly. if president
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01 loses, will he accept defeat? i think it will and some analysts or journalist might tell you he never will accept defeat. i happen to disagree with this, although i don't have the crystal ball. obviously, if it's very close neck and neck, there will be a contested elections in present. or i might ask for a recount into a ball so narrow or don't know. what if this is a significant enough lead one port percent or 2 percent, or even bigger? for the opposition? president i don't will accept it will accept it because he's a man who's built his entire legitimacy on elections the ballot. i think he came, he would not be able to mobilize and sort of a bureaucratic response to defy the balance. well, good. if the results are we will definitely be following and see what happens when
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those results come in. i mean taskbar, we appreciate your time and your insights tonight. thank you. thank you. ah, the war in ukraine is being fought on the ground in the air and also where people get their news and information rushes weapon of choice. there a constant stream of dis, information. social media is full of these images and stories. they can spread in an instant if they find an audience, they can create confusion, fear, or confirm extreme opinions. many of them start here in the russian city of st. petersburg. at what's known as the internet research agency, or i r re, also known as the troll factory. deborah, it's owned by wagner paramilitary group finance here. if jenny, pre gozine scene here allegedly at the front in ukraine as his private army shoots
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at ukrainian positions the i r a is just one agency that works along with russia's fs. be intelligent service. also creating content are patriotic volunteers, while others trolls and bots spread the word on social media. the messages are intended to hit different targets or sometimes multiple targets. for example, they, they want to influence their own population to, ah, to increase support of so called special offer military operation to influence people to go to the army. and of course, they try to influence the western communities, western countries. so a population of western countries to weaken our support. let's look at some examples of fake messages that found audiences. this image of ukrainian president followed him is a lansky giving away parts of ukraine to poland in exchange for tanks based on no
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real reporting, but playing on ancient fears. ukraine's being divided yet again, or this message for our russian audience, stating that the u. s. intends to launch 5000 tomahawk missiles at russia in a surprise strike supposedly source from the new york times. though no record of any such article exists on the new york times website. or this, alleging that presidents are lansky, has squirreled away a fortune. fueling longstanding stereotypes about ukrainian leaders, corruption. this one feeds the narrative in far right and far less circles in the u . s. in europe, that sending money to ukraine is wasteful and useless on the enriching the leadership there. what makes these messages effective? i think if i would have to choose one word that describes it, it will be a subtlety. basically a really good piece of information is predominately using actual facts i is either twisting them or adding something on top or is falsifying just
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a bit of it. so from the chris i reads are the chris glanced. it might seem real. and then, and then you sort of can drag them because, you know, have someone to sell something obscene. you can just clearly see that in some sense and you're, you're just look away when it's subtle, when there's a variety of different actors. holt: when it seems that there are a lot of different voices wifi this out, especially like on social media. if we see that there's a lot of comments in going on on their sixty's or and using the article. this can be highly, highly, highly effective. because it just seems, it seems real, it just seems real, and it is real to many people, though it's impossible to measure how many people's minds are changed by this information. it's clear that russia places a high value on it and that the garage of fake and twisted stories is not likely to lead up. soon. of the day's almost done. the conversation continues on line. we
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