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ah, video from last night shows what appears to be a drone exploding over the kremlin. moscow has accused ukraine of watching a droll attack to assassinate president vladimir putin. the kremlin says that the president was not inside at the time. you cranes, president zalinski, has denied any involvement. washington says it had no advanced notice of any attack . so what was it tonight? officials, and keep our warning. this looks like have set up to blame ukraine, a pretext to justify what russia planned to do. next, i'm brit golf in berlin. this is the day. ah, guy in the new crane tried to attack the crime with drones last night is good for
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push. first of all, it ukraine undoubtedly has nothing to do with it. well, we leave it to ukraine to decide how it's going to defend itself, and how it's going to try to get back the territory that's been seized from it. month law must go regards the attack on the presidential residents as a terrorist acton an assassination attempt on the head of state. but when we should, because there was no military value in such actions, me smooth, i would take anything coming out of the kremlin with a very large shaker salt. so let's see. ah, also coming up you as president biden sending more troops to the border with mexico as the number of migrants trying to cross rises letter that the, the truth is that it's absurd to militarize the border instead of taking other measures to help us so that we can enter legally and most of the deployed in that at lee elementary level that k, we are not criminals. we're not criminal gangs. we
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a migrants who are fleeing from a country out of necessity, that ah, would to our viewers watching on p b in the united states, into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day with drones exploding over the kremlin. and the question, who did it? russia has accused ukraine of launching a drone attack over night, over the very heart of the russian capital, calling it an attempt to assassinate president vladimir putin, ukraine's president's lensky has denied any involvement of their or big unanswered questions were the russians really caught off guard at home, how were drones able to enter the air space around the kremlin officials and keep say, this has all the hallmarks of a false flag operation orchestrated by the russians. an attempt to blame ukraine, they say, to create a pretext for what russian forces are planning to do next. ah, this footage circulating on russian telegram channels shows the alleged overnight
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attack and smoke rising above the main kremlin palace. there has been no independent verification of this footage, but russia accuses ukraine of trying to assassinate putin. ukrainian president volota may zalinski denied any involvement in the alleged incident. oh, we don't attack fortune or moscow. i'll we fly to home on our territory when defending our will just sit it. we don't have, you know enough up and for these. that's why we don't use it any anywhere for, for us that the deficit, the weight we cons banded. and we didn't attack pu tim, we leave it to tribunal on how it's going in,
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washington. u. s. secretary of state antony blinkin cast doubt on the kremlin allegations. these are decisions for ukraine's. i've seen the reports. i can't in any way validate them. we simply, we simply don't know. i'm 2nd, i would take anything coming out of the kremlin with a very large shaker salt. so let's see. ah, we'll see what, what, what the facts are. and it's, it's really hard to comment or speculate on this without really, really knowing what the facts are. moscow has threatened to retaliate against ukraine, making residents of keith, worried for their safety. when it was a church, they might try attacking the strategic objects. your decisions are made in key if you actually did my chair, let's let them his eyes again, we need to remain in safety and take care of ourselves and our loved ones with semi medic this have at that with me. for now putin remains safe. moscow announced that
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he will take part in a scheduled world war to victory day parade on red square. next week. for more, i'm joined now by stephen blanc. he's a senior fellow for russia at the american foreign policy council. mister blake, it's good to have you. with us on the program to night, how likely do you think it is that ukraine is behind this apparent attack on the kremlin? i find it quite inconceivable that ukraine would do this as a lensky said, they don't have enough weapons and they wouldn't waste it on a target. because most of us know that putin spends very little time at the kremlin and certainly not in the middle of the night. so i don't think that it's a at all true. i would not put it past the russians to launch what has been called a false flag operation. ah, what, what escapes me though is what, what pretexts they need, because they are destroying ukraine even as we speak. i think this is an attempt
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to generate public support at home may be abroad, but i i don't know what they could threaten to do to ukraine that they haven't done already except maybe nuclear weapons and i don't think that's particularly likely. so i don't see where ukraine games anything by doing this, but, and let's just say that the russian people by the line coming from the kremlin, that this was an attack. what does that tell us then about the defensive shield around the kremlin and around president booted? well, it doesn't tell us anything. it, well, you saw on the tv was a flash. ah, which could have been caused by a russian drone. so i would say and shot down i, it doesn't tell you anything. so you can't make a judgment from that and moscow track record. i validates what the joseph conrad
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called russian official, sublime contempt for the truth. and so the, there's no way to prove that ukraine did this. it makes no sense the, the kremlin is not a worthwhile military target for the reasons i already said. and i, it doesn't strike me as plausible that ukraine would attack it. u. s. reactions. they've been somewhat circumspect. m anthony bleak and says it's up to ukraine to decide how it defends itself. but if this had been a ukrainian attempt to assassinate president putin, certainly the white house and the pentagon that they would have been informed wouldn't then i assume they would have been. but i've talked to u. s. government officials earlier today. they have no knowledge of what actually took place and then not buying the russian story. as a result, there is no evidence out there that it's can prove that ukraine was behind this.
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and given the russians track record, i wouldn't run off and believe this claim either. moreover, i mean very, they're not in any position to complain about attacks on put and they tried to kill zalinski at the beginning of the war. so, ah, no, that's there. modus operandi, not ukraine's. the me, the asking about what we're hearing from ukraine. why do you think president zalinski and his government are so careful about taking ownership of any attacks on russian territory or even in crimea? well, i think it would be a public relations disaster if they attacked moscow. ah, they have sent a cruise missile strikes. i at russian military targets in crimea. ah, oil refineries of are guess refineries. well, refineries. in belgrade,
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which is not far from the border, but they in general, are very careful when they strike get a russian target. and i don't think that they would do something this escalate, tory at this point in time. it just doesn't make sense. there have already been calls in moscow. i'm from the former president dmitri magenta of and from the speaker of the doom, before i'm direct retaliation against ukrainian president vladimir zalinski. what do you make of these calls? wild, med vendor vendor, the speaker, the parliament, or what the changes to quote the running dogs of putin. i mean mid vetted specialty is making outlandish brutal threats against ukraine to which are actually not particularly credible. just to prove that he's a real tough guy. and in the running to support put in and maybe become his successor. i don't put any great store by that. steven blank
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with the american foreign policy council. mister blake, we appreciate your time in your valuable analysis to night. thank you. you're welcome. ah, media freedom is supposed to be a cornerstone of democracy by holding the powerful to account and keeping voters informed but on this world press freedom day. a new poll shows that many americans are doubtful that the media is acting as a force for good. nearly 3 quarters of adults surveyed blame the media for increasing political divisions in the united states, and the pope was carried out by the associated press in the north center for public affairs in the robert f kennedy human rights. it also found that more americans think that the media is hurting american democracy than protecting
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my next guest tonight is frank has no frank as an emmy award winning journalist. he's now director of strategic initiatives at george washington university school of media and public affairs. and i have to say when i was a way back in the day when i was a news writer at c n at the washington bureau, frank was the bureau chief there. frank, it's good to see you. again, there's, there's a lot to talk about, a lot of it, good, some of it bad. i wanna start though, with this new poll which finds about 4 and 10 american saying that the press is doing more to hurt american democracy. only 2 out of 10 say that the press is doing more to protect democracy. i mean, this is a real crisis of trust, isn't it? yes. first of all, it's good to see you again. thank you for having been here. i think this is an important conversation. this isn't a really very serious problem. it's been in existence for some time. it's gotten worse and it's fed on itself, so the more there is distrust in media. the more media actually heads for the
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corners of the, of the, of the ring, where all the mud wrestling takes place becomes more partisan, which then drives further distrust. because people, the general public says the media are not providing facts. they are leaning into the argument. they are adding to the shouting, they are increasingly partisan, and we have seen that and, oh, it's been made worse. and since the donald trump era, when the president united states piled on and said the media and then journalism actually is the enemy of the people. and again, this has compounded problems that have been all around for quite some time. so there's no easy way out of this. and it's a problem of epidemic proportions now because it really is affecting the broader question of confidence in american institutions and a sense of what is actually factual. what is real and what is not gonna come back
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to that point about what is really factual. just a moment, and i'd like for you to maybe cast a glaze over across the atlantic to us here in europe, hobbling trust in established public broadcasters. here in europe, it remains rather good, rather high. but there is a course of critics growing, especially against the b, b, c, and against germany's a r d and c d f networks. what does this look like from where you are sitting on the other side of the atlantic? what is the situation in europe? look like or out as a translator? yes. what is i who americanize yet to these american eyes, it looks like sort of more of the same way we live in a time. and partly is because of social media. partly because it's a time of immense polarization as we have seen in so many places and in europe as well, to include the united kingdom and france and germany as well, where the right wing has been ascend and, and it's not just sort of
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a mainstream conservatives but it's the right wing conspiracy theorists, a people who other eyes, people who demonize and that is one of the big differences there are, there are global trends behind this. they sort of ill move of march of ill liberal democracy is as we've talked about, kind of has this as one of its component parts. and part of that is to under mine and raise questions about suspicions about journalism in the news media to raise questions about the actual kind of core information that people are getting to spread down to so discord. and so that's what it looks like to me that what we're seeing happen in europe is not dissimilar to what we've, what we've seen elsewhere. in some cases. we let it lead the way in europe, in certain countries hungry, poland, elsewhere, where illiberal governments have used us as a standard kind of tool in the tool box. and it works. unfortunately,
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it works because it does raise questions. it does undermine trust, not just in the media, but in other institutions. i have to ask you about what was a huge case in the united states dominion versus fox news, or just remind our viewers, dominion, sued fox for airing false stories, claiming that dominions voting machines were susceptible to hacking and that they had flipped vote to the 2020 presidential election in favor of biden, against trump. i'm fox is agreed to pay what $787000000.00 in and out of court settlement freight. you were an expert journalism. witness for dominion. and as i understand it, you would have testified this week if the case had gone to trial. i'm wondering what would you have set what i would have said is that fox news completely abandoned journalistic standards. and i've spent the last 8 months reading the deposition, studying the material. and obviously the trial didn't take place because of the settlement, but it's very relevant to the conversation that you and i are having here. because
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what fox did was to try to retain its audience and it ended up pandering to its audience, its audience attacked it for providing some of the factual information that they didn't like 2 weeks to start with when joe biden, during election night, one the state of arizona fox was the 1st to call that, and the fox audience piled on, criticized fox fiercely. and fox feared a loss of ratings and following that was a series of several weeks of continuing to put on these kind of false claims about dominion voting and fraud. in the american elections generally, what this really does is it's kind of a, it's sort of a spotlight on to where journalism and media have gone terribly wrong. what i would have said is that the journalistic standards seek truth, that your sources find credible people to, to speak up, provide context, correct errors. none of these things were done and increasingly we're seeing at
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media companies, some of them any way. not all. there's still tremendous journalism that's taking place out there, but in being so desperate for ratings and eyeballs and clicks in being so desperate for this in a hyper competitive world. there are some very bad practices that have been adopted that are not consistent with what journalism should be. and that feeds the misson disinformation universe and it feeds the distrust because it undermines the factual basis that we need. and, and that's what i saw in the fox case, and that's very much a part of the kind of thing that you and i are talking here about trust in the media in this country and elsewhere. you know, the dear ty today published the redacted text message that reportedly led fox to part ways with its star anchor tucker carlson. i mean carlson in this text wrote about seeing a group of trump supporters attacking in and t for activists. and he wrote,
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we've just got the, a little bit of the quote here. it was 3 against one, at least jumping a guy like this is dishonorable. obviously, it's not how white men fight yet. suddenly a fight found myself rooting for the mob against the man hoping that they would hit him harder kill him. i really wanted them to hurt the kid. i could taste it then something deep in my brain and alarm it off. this isn't good for me. i'm becoming something i don't want to be a frank. did this text was redacted. it's now in the public domain. are. are you able to talk about this or is it off limits? i can talk about what's in the public domain. i can't talk about what is not and what has been redacted, but what i and i did not see this particular exhibit and did not come across my desk as i was as i was reviewing things. but what we have seen and what is public and some of tucker carlson's communications, internally texts, e mails, things that have been released through the pre trial motions and various other
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things. as this case went through the courts is a very harsh, very judgmental, very crude, very profane series of communications about colleagues, about trump, he called them, he actually called trump a demonic force. i. he said he's a destroyer in one of the communications that has been released and that we have seen that i can talk about. but what tucker did, and what the others did, that's even more remarkable is that they repeatedly said they did not believe they indicated skepticism and worse about the claims of election fraud and the dominion case specifically. and yet on the air, they played up that narrative again and again and again. they brought on guests who promoted the wildest conspiracy theories and did not challenge them knowing full well that was wrong, their own in house fact check unit debunked these things. still they put them on
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the air, they had repeated denials from the company and other very, very clear good sources. and they did not put that on the air. and. and so when we look at why the public distrust the media so much some of that is because of this. because organise an organization like fox news has gone out of its way to make things up. or to feed lies in ways that are very, very damaging frigate personally, we're out of time. it was good talking with you. we certainly appreciate your valuable analysis of this and yet we're keep watching to see what happens to us media moving forward. frank says no, thank you. my pleasure, good to see you 2. ah, the u. s. is sending 1500 more troops to the mexican border ahead of unexpected surge in migrates. the by to ministration serves the soldiers were carry out administrative duties to free up regular border patrol agents to carry out patrol
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work. the deployment of military personnel is slated the last for 90 days. now coven 19 restrictions have allowed us officials to turn away tens of thousands of migrants at the border immediately. but the already record number of people crossing into the u. s. is expected to rise further when those pandemic restrictions are lifted on thursday of next week. when we go now to our corresponded car related to a boy in washington, colinda, you've been to the border report it from there were officials. they're already reporting an uptick, migrants crossing about $7000.00 per day. right now. they expect even more what will change at the border when these corona virus restrictions are lifted next week or the white house, obviously fears that are lifting of title 40 to recreate cows at the border. brent at but it's of course also a political issue, a political tool, and also many republicans are sure that there will be cows. but then there are
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other ones to say that there is already a border crisis and that this will not get wars due to the listing of title 42. and as you just mentioned, an average of $7000.00 migrants per day have been entering the united states. since this year started. i have been, as you said, many times to the border in the past month, and they're already many migrant sleeping on the suite. for schneider's are already packed and it is already an emergency situation for the border cities. title for you to have not really stopped at these migrants from crossing into the united states. so so these $1500.00 extra troops that are being sent to the board. i mean, exactly what are they going to do, but we're trying to imagine what's going to happen at the border if you have an influx of even more people. what do these soldiers do? well, the pentagon is saying that the troops will help, especially in logistics. like for example, i'm feeling gaps in transportation warehouse support, narcotics detection,
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but also data entry and the troops will be armed back. the pentagon is saying that this is just for self defense and that weapons are not to be used by the choose for law enforcement. we also know that the troops will be employed, as you mentioned 2 or 3 months starting in may 10th. so just one day before title 42 is lifted, and it's also important to mention that they are already 2500 troops at the border doing this job. so this a 1500 are in addition to the ones who are already there, u. s. officials, they've been talking to their counterparts in mexico. we understand, is there any attempt to work together to deal with this group because no matter what the politicians say, i mean it is, it is a crisis at the border and it's yes. and mexico's presidential episode hello. m u. s. homeland security advisor met yesterday with their delegations and mexico city. and we know that the mexican
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government has agreed to receive a 3rd countries ortiz and from the united states after title 42 expires. but it is still unclear how mexico wants to deal with it. the shares also on the mexican side are already packed with people. and as you might remember, there was this terrible accident am of a burning shelter some weeks ago were almost 40 migrants died. so the crisis is already happening on both sides and so on the mexican side, and also on the, on the us side you'll be, should the water agency saying $7000.00 people per day trying to cross? now, i mean do authorities through the heavy i dia, of the expected scale of migration that we're going to be talking about a week or 2 from now. the tourist brand is set and no one really knows what to expect. one's title $42.00 is lifted, but the by the administration obviously wants to prevent pictures of cows at the border. we know his age and had been trying to, to stop this evil crossings in the past 2 years. but with no success. many angio
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was even criticized that did by then, that ministration has relied on policies that were imposed during the trump era. so there is a fear of a huge, a search of migrants crossing, but no one can really tell how many more will arrive in an area that is already at packed with migrants. as sleeping on the street, we know that the secretary of homeland security, mister my york, that he will be travelling to the board of this week to review the operations i had of the lifting of this title. but we know you will stay on the story currently that your boy in washington currently is always thank well the day is almost done, the conversation continues online. you'll find us on twitter either at dw news, you can follow me on twitter at brent golf t. v. and remember, whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see you then if i
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