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passcode. is government struggling to come back fiber and attacks from russia and supporters on the streets and the government protests of multiplied upon hoaxes, cyber attacks and thoughts to bring down the government further. the my assigned to insist says while she's in office for country. well, hold on to democracy and freedom, but comments. if you crime with the lose, the war will get trapped in the style made. just how long could this pro western state even hope to survive? welcome to come think so. thank you for inviting me. you're living on one of the world's most dangerous type groups, right next door to the war in ukraine. how for job is the situation. you know, i think all of europe is for joe his days. and of course, moldova is a country next to ukraine. it is in a very difficult region at the very difficult time. at the same time,

what the last year showed was that ukraine is able to resist the cranium society for your trade in political system. ukraine in the army has managed to fight back to resist, to liberate some territories. and by doing so, they also on both sides mold over a greater degree of security even with fear c or a year ago. today, a freed sections, fruits cards, ukraine is also defending, but just to kind of hold off as well under this something that allows them old, over a degree of capacity to continue to focus on our, the forms on managing our economy. and the promise i'm going to lose your under constance rep from high blood pressure. we offer literally hundreds of bone hoaxes . attempts to inside violent demonstrations. cyber attacks and people squeezing

your quarterly fig bump alerts. the kitchen and the blackouts. young people living in extremely busy managing the consequences of the war. we've had some $600000.00, but i for jews crossing dollar territory today. i don't see percent of our population that actually just from ukraine. and yet, we have managed to, to, to call a piece in our country with managed to keeps the ability to uh, the situation is so complicated about we don't face minnesota disease today because we, ukraine is resisting. and we are able to focus on managing democrats, but your interior minister says that the situation is extremely vaal, the tile. she said democracy and peace in europe. russia's next targets, mold over stands in the way of russia's intention to break your stability. we can only keep it protected if we're united, but you don't have that unity in your country. do you the opinion polls suggest

it's been severely tested, right? well we are united in moldova, in our desire to keep peace on our territory. everybody, the board? yeah, the absolute majority, you don't have people, emerald, of arguing, or calling for professional tanks to approach on board that we, you have as a new, normal democratic society. we have people who have different political preferences . sometimes joe political preferences. but even those who disagree with the government want to leave in a peaceful country, a pro must have policies and people dollar which is kind of the enjoy greatness of what the new hyper smaller it's not true. even false power to sweep before we're open to per most cool wants to live in a country that is peaceful but this democratic war because of freedom to protest wherever they have the freedom to operate. so come to parties. we've a certain product, some she's 3, have parties revised their approaches and they want to leave in

a peaceful country. they don't want to leave in a dictatorship. they don't want to leave in a word zone. in february, your present publicly accused the rest you're talking to over to the government of russia, denied. this is information supplied by ukraine's president. so lensky, how close do you think your government came to being told? i don't think it came close uh we wrong, but with managed to do railed more than one attempt to destabilize moldova. we've managed to do rail several attempts to attack police to take over probably buildings. our institutions are very alert, intended to serve as an administrative interior, our agencies, everyone is very alert, but the last 2 years. because prove that we are able to keep the situation. the reason that the call given region believe and cope with this type of fits. we know that last month, so in terms of service expelled, to find this without saying which country they were from, accused them of taking cotton versus activities to cause

a violent change to the constitutional order. that's an incredibly serious charge. why did you let these people go for charging them with something the soonest? well, we have a better have been several occasions just this year. we did not let of us quite a lot of for, and there's to come from the country because many of them were suspected of trying to pull violence, isn't mallow, or trying to destabilize, mold open politics for other measures. a few weeks ago we did not lead some 20 serbian citizens, for example, entering the country american. we met several people inside the country on serious charges. why do you let them go? well, in this specific case, i will not come in to details, but that are also people who have been arrested for attempts to try and still come violent relatives are in town and of health. in february, your president said to prosecutors and spies need more powers to combat the threat

from the printer. why do they have those power as well? but as the conversation about increasing some of both powers, but we do have now more equipment to deal with some threats and we've increased significantly o corporation. we've our partners. we've romania, we've the countries of europe in union with united states with ukraine. you hear yourself quote to president alaska, so there is a lot of information sharing. there is a lot of mutual support and name is difficult region at this difficulty that cannot guarantee, but we know the full extent. what we know is whether it's not the 1st block is the 1st attempt to stabilize mold, though we've called through the previous attempts from one attempt to the ivr with richard knox. it is a way to clear our president said that our heads of intelligence said that some this of russia is working together and we have some mold opens, fugitive some of the guards, and they work together to destabilize mold on that to bring violence on the streets

. of old over and so far they failed. in february, you pushed through a so called separatism, the making it illegal to promote espionage and treason statute also bands, actions that poses a serious threat to the security of the like these actions only now being treated as crimes. the latest 12th, when few paid on the trip preferred to use what would happen earlier. so we have a problem with a separate history, jim sales. so even if, even before our independence or imagine, trust me, 70 trust, these trend region are full though. but yes, what does an illegal russian military presence back to bach for the last 40 plus years, the situation around his region has been mostly stable, mostly count. we've been talking to the trustees trend regional representatives and moultrie integrations and our methods. and our way of trying to integrate the conference is dialogue, diplomacy, negotiations fed up are doing the same time,

given the much more much higher security to the 6 in the, in the region. we did adopt these provisions in the name of the criminal code. so that we are able to penalize if we need to people trying to undermine the territorial integrity of our country. at the same time, while tilting to the trustees trained representatives of us costs of contacts, we have a deputy prime minister in charge of for integration, includes meetings, his counterparts, which if negotiate and repressed these $3.00 in the region. there had been several conversations and discussions in the last year and i can tell you about the absolute majority of it. people on both sides of free one nice to including most the representative sort of separatist leadership don't want to leave it in the words zone. so we've a press nice trend separate to see there's never mind the fact that they have russian station there. yeah, yeah, of course we see jason, not much choice to the of the situation is complicated, but that is

a clearly hear me mildly. yeah. the 2nd clear commitment to management different says we've always separate this region for peaceful means and dialogue and negotiations by 12 to one think. let me take you back to march 11th the night before. big protest and the station must have been held and your capital police are reported to infiltrated and broken out the group, allegedly run by russian f as b agents were trying to organize clashes at that demonstration. how serious was this incident? all of these incidents are serious, but so is our capacity to do with them. 25 people were detained as powerfully yes, including the russian agent. well, they weren't designed to recruit and try local groups to cause trouble. several people were detained. several people were interrogated. that's our means for each police and the intelligence services of dealing with the situation. and i'm telling you, yes,

the situations are serious of the same time. so is our capacity to keep the count of stability on our streets and with alert. keeps saying that the people being released and were involved with this operation. i'm, i'm not in a position to give you, you know, a breakdown of each individual and the preach stage and this procedures anything to the question. and the other way to do you have any idea of how many of these groups are still operating in your country as well. even of course, with monitoring several of these groups. but i don't think anybody want more than 5 . the less the intelligence services under police are working them, but what we know of is the cost and store it. let's call subtract. what does another taishan of his friend, but this caused some failure to bring violence on the streets in kitchen. and reason for that is the opposite, the absolute majority of the people, the absolute majority of the political parties, including most political parties,

sweat, do not support the government. they also don't want to leave in the country where you've had the violence of the street. so, but it's a clear societal consensus behind a managing political process involved or what fruit standard democratic procedures, the view of the european council on foreign relations is that march 12th was a preparatory and recognizance exercise for the russian operatives. not a full dress rehearsal, but an opportunity to test the responses of your security services and the coordination mechanism among the various agencies to buy that. well, we've been in this mode for over a year, but it's a constant attempts to impose stress on the, on our society, on our economy, on our political system. you mentioned that yourselves, cyber attacks face facebook alerts, trying to infiltrate from all those people who are supposed to destabilize the country. so what you described is a near constant situation. but at the same time we've been living with this type of

situations we've been managing to keep stability. we've been coping with this type of stress, and we'll continue to do so. the conclusion that the council is the russian actions strongly suggest mosca is preparing for a full scale insurrection in moldova and upcoming presidential elections and 2024 on parliamentary elections. would give them a window of opportunity. is that a scenario that to give any credence to well, good, but it's coming from a think tank uh fits their opinion. what they can tell me the only people who to this, i mean most no, no, no, but i mean most elections unpredictable. what i can tell you with clarity is that the absolute majority of the people, you know, the, the one to be living want to live in the country, but this feat, stable. so this is what this government is offering. uh, even on the opposition side, most the position parties also want to give peace,

come under the liberty of our country. most october, the washington post reviewed documents obtained by you, created intelligence, which shows the precious f. s. b. a channeled millions of dollars to a network of mobiles and politicians. the aim being to push the country away from the you and towards moscow. do you know which of your politicians belong to that network is receiving millions of dollars. well, we have had politicians who stole hundreds of millions of dollars from the mold of and population. and many of them have received indeed, russian cash. some of them are being investigated, but that they will begin to lose, but they failed, failed, failed to do it. i don't know the from the profit of your opinion on from the box and they will tell me i have none the less infiltrated your structures. yes. and the present may still be the case. yeah. but may still going to do that. i can uh oh it's quite clear,

but pressure has been supporting political parties involved over and political and politicians. yes. what exactly, what influence with. ready with these millions of dollars of it's quite likely, yes. do you know you can trust in your friendship? well, here's what we know is let's visit terms to buy, to, to do, to re own too many beliefs have largely failed. no dollar has been a democracy for 30 years. all governments have changed as a result of elections. several attempts by some leaders to impose autocratic rule in moldova failed. several attempts to do a little de from the off to view it. okay, i'm you and you're including right previous president of them, including by i'm only got for the few years, a go block with your bit o. i failed to do the strongly positive you and i'm very confident that our society will strongly. we'll stay strongly engaged and will support us in bringing

the country into the or can you just days before the president spoke about a coup, attempt your prime minister natalie. a couple really tiny, resigned, blaming crises caused by russian aggression. and not a great time perhaps to have a government re shuffle, but she was she told to resign or what she sacrifice because the countries facing huge economic problems. and so i'm going to have to take the black. well, it was the same as i believe it's the same majority in power. it's the same president and the most little bit about her resignation with, with dish to jump over. she pushed, well, there was a mutual decision that transferred me to this as well. but at the same time, the easiest and well, but it was a conversation and thought it was a joining decision of the preventative of, of the parliamentary majority to change the prime minister. most of the government is the same. the president is the same. the parliament the majority is the same. but there has been a change in prime minister cutty will probably be the sacrificial now. no because

there was a prime minister. the new prime minister has a more background in his a former minister of interior, excuse me, because of former national security adviser to president. so if his decision was based on the idea of it, looking into the near future mold on the will face and these facing significantly increased security risk center for the vic focus now is much more that is much more emphasis on the need to manage the security situation of the previous prime minister in the pilot company. and so mostly times we have an economic background. and that is what explains this change. what makes you think the replacement prime minister will be able to do any better. i mean, the realities that they have to deal with are the same. ronald installation running it around 30 percent utility bills that hit the roof. poverty is increasing. what makes you think leading promised to develop every governing team or for each of the

former advocate on prime minister are part of the same team and i am part of this team. i'm the team of president bias and we've managed to cope with video. and the last here, i will give you a couple of examples for the last winter is the 1st we entered in the list because she's 3 into which we went with significant guests resorts. we've managed to go for this winter. we've visiting kong and the lights on back in october, november our electricity security jeff electricity supply was present because of the russian brutal bombing of ukrainian electricity infrastructure. we've had several instances of blackouts, but nonetheless, we've managed to ensure for all to interpret the lights and our homes were on. so our government needs to because managed to avoid a cause managed to manage a we've called and efficiency massive problems and increased the type of work you service. but the recent whole by magenta consulting sion 56

percent blaming the government for the economic caught you at the same time, the governing party of extra note sort of data to imprison last time the are the most popular politicians by far in the country. and we do continuously enjoy a high level of support. of course for 2 percent inflation, 7 fold increase in uh, gas costs for fold increase and electricity costs the negative effect of production has brought the war on. moldova is oh, process, brutal more on your credit is imposing car cheaper. now population is generating negative effects, 4000. and so i've gone through some of the world, but nobody's extremely exposed. but we've managed release the risks and we'll continue doing so specifically a relationship with nato, its boss seeing something that can do a close and highly valued part of that. despite the pressure on the

motive is constitutions to the trash the country to be mutual. having what's been happening in your country, how long do you think that the child to the last? so vic restitution was adopted in 1994. so this provision on both of us new project has been there for almost 40 years time for change. well, what this clear is, is with mold over, definitely needs and has already started changing it. security and defense policy. we've been increasingly security and defense capabilities. we have been dramatically in the inc, i'm very rapidly expanding the deepening goal corporation with of those countries and organizations that support piece in the liberty in mold over. and here of course i would start, we would remain yeah. we were nights and states, we have germany, we've promised we've made to with the european union. we've been very busy strengthening mold over 675. and also to come back to that issue neutrality because

in january of defense minister, i'm a totally not savvy, said you are now asking less than partners presumably 19 for at defense system. and he said the boy named craig and show both of us and mutual status. and the discussion about motive is the minutes or i stages are no longer carved. moved up as neutral status is no longer current. that's quite a significant change of policy use. so you're not going to see the membership of nature. well at this stage, what does a political conversation in moldova, about the best ways to ensure our security to incite the decisions? because the thing that this is the usual state is no longer i talk, there's no start taking a bite of parliament. so is the spitting out of touch with the normal around. what we're doing today is the increasing security and defense corporation with your opinion. and we've made to and the member states of his organization, this is wrong, the defense loose is what they can tell or is what the constitutional provision of neutrality is not enough to insure moldova security. what is going to be sure,

our security is a strong partnership and strong support from both countries that support this and our liberty. and these are the member states of natal under europe in union. and these 2 are denies ation. system progress. good sounds like the decision is already be made. you're just not prepared to formulate enough hope this neutrality is no longer in place. well, you probably t is across to tional provision. that is in place at the same time, it's not too much paper, only. it's not enough to keep me security to a fellow country and we are working day and night to increase the security of our country by strengthening our security to in defense of partnership. we've countries, events that support some cure. i would like to also to a quote uh president call so kind of so for me now who several times said that the under no circumstances would remain it would have bundled the full spectrum of

threats for me and it would always stand by. moldova would always support mold over and let suffolk, which we value and mold over. it's something which gives us reassurance in our future, you know, europe in the future. and in our ability to, to keep small dover free and part of the free world to give her and the long romania and all of our partners from the european union. and they do believe if we look at the war that's going on in ukraine, do you believe that there can be a full and complete victory by ukraine as president? so let's case holding out for a moment or a model would very grateful to you crate. so but i us, yes for defending themselves, and by doing so defending moldova, and our quote of the corporate power society, about ukraine liberated territories and our continent and ukraine. and

moved over and the other countries in europe can go back to a situation where europe is peaceful. countries are not the dressed territory. so i don't know to confide. and we do hope and we do support a moved over ukraine's collaboration of all of its territories. used to non so my question, do you believe that is still possible? well, i didn't know how to task. yes. and they came up to me, but my belief is that there's me at night or mean or you can predict the future. i'm asking you, watching pretty good on the front line a. so what we hope this is what ukraine will do. that ends in west 0, the united states, all the countries in the world for home, for which international lo metters will support ukraine invest in denver, all the countries, but one to be protected by international law need to support ukraine as well, in its capacity to liberate its territories brutally occupied by rush. i need to

create and should lose. so get stuck in a semi permanent style made what then to well formula as a government we have a duty to be preparing for all kinds of scenarios from negative a positive. so we have to prepare for all kinds of scenarios, including that scenario, of course for easier scenario for positive scenarios. so it's easier to prepare. but there's a government with totally obliged to be preparing for the full spectrum of scenarios, including the strong scenarios which are even worse or better. but generally, i am confident to model as future. i am confident to know capacity to keep peace in liberty and the off to the european union, but as a strong societal desire to continue with that. and uh, we in the hope this war will come to an end. as soon as possible that you create a little liberated territories and europe and,

and the united states and canada and japan and all the countries what support the freedom of ukraine will continue being strongly engaged in supporting ukraine. and by doing that would also help moldova overcome the negative effects of his work. profess cool, thank you very much for being a conflict. so thank you. the, the, the

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