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to come back, 5 regular tags from russia. let supporters just so long for disappoint west coast states, even how to survive. conflict on the nurse to us. that's why we listen to their stories. reporter every weekend on dw, the advertising growing zone in ukraine. square thought for some of the countries on the edge of the was of how stable of a these days just often moved over the constitutional provision of neutrality is not enough to ensure moldova security. that's most of us from me to send the cooper pass code is government struggling to come back,
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fiber the tags from russia and supporters on the streets and the government protests of multiplied so abum hoaxes, cyber attacks and thoughts to bring down the government. first of the, my assigned to insist as while she's in office for country. well, hold on to democracy and freedom from thomas. if you crime what to lose the war will get trapped in the style. make just how long could this pro western state even hope to survive? welcome to come think so. thank you for inviting me. you're living on one of the world's most dangerous type groups right next door to the war in ukraine. how for job is the situation. you i think all a funeral is for joe his days, and of course, moldova is a country next to ukraine. that is in a very difficult region, that's a very difficult time. at the same time,
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what the last tier showed was that ukraine is able to resist the cranium society for your trade in political system. we are creating an army and has managed to fight back to resist, to liberate some territories. and by doing so, they also on both sides mold over a greater degree of security even with fear c r. a year ago. today, a freed sections, fruits cards, ukraine is also defending, but just to kind of hold off as well as something that allows the mold of a degree of capacity to continue to focus on our, the form. so in managing our economy and the promise i'm going to lose your under constant threat from high blood pressure, we offer literally hundreds of bone hoaxes, attempts to inside violent demonstrations. cyber attacks and people squeezing your
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quarterly fig bump alerts, the kitchen and the blackouts. yes, we've been extremely busy managing the consequences of the war. we've had some $600000.00, but i for jeez, crossing dollar territory today. i don't see percent of our population. that average is from ukraine. and yet, we have managed to, to, to call a piece in the country with managed to keeps the ability to uh, the situation is complicated, but we don't face minnesota disease today because we, ukraine is resisting. and we are able to focus on managing democrats, but your interior minister says that the situation was extremely vaal, the tile. she said democracy and peace in europe. russia's next targets, mold over stands in the way of russia's intention to break your stability. we can only keep it and protect it if we're united, but you don't have that unity in your country, do you the opinion polls suggest it's been severely tested, right?
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well we are united in moldova, in our desire to keep peace on our territory. everybody, the board. yeah. absolute majority. you don't have people, emerald, of arguing or calling for prussian tanks to approach on board that we, you have as a new, normal democratic society. we have people who have different political preferences . sometimes joe political preferences, but even vote for disagree with the government want to leave in a peaceful country problem. most policies and people dollar, which is kind of the enjoy greatness of what the new hyper smaller it's not true. even false power to sweep before we're open to per most cool wants to live in a country but this peaceful but this democratic world. they have the freedom to protest wherever they have the freedom to operate. so come the party is, we've a certain product, some she's 3, have parties revised their approaches and they want to leave in a peaceful country. they don't want to leave in
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a dictatorship. they don't want to leave in a word zone. in february, your president publicly accused the rest you're talking to over to the government. russia denied. this is information supplied by ukraine's president. so lensky. how close do you think your government came to being told? i don't think it came close. uh we literally went with a manager to do railed more than one attempt to destabilize moldova. we've managed to do rail several attempts to attack police to take over probably buildings. our institutions are very alert, intended to serve as an administrative interior. our agencies, everyone is very alert. but the last year has proved that we are able to keep the situation. the reason that the call given region believe and cope with this type of fits, we know that last month. so in terms of service expelled to farmers without saying which country they were from, accused them of taking totters versus activities to cause a violent change to the constitutional order. so incredibly serious charge. why did
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you let these people go for charging them with something the soonest? well, we have them, but have been several occasions just this year. we did not let of us quite a lot of for, and there's to come from the country because many of them were suspected of trying to pull to violence, isn't mallow, or trying to destabilize most of them politics for other measures. a few weeks ago we did not lead some 20 serbian citizens, for example, entering the country american. we met several people inside the country on serious charges. why do you let them go? well, in this specific case, i will not come in to details, but that are also people who have been arrested for attempts to try and still come by. my relatives are in town. i've helped in february your president said to prosecutors and spies need more powers to combat the threat from the printer. why
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do they have those power as well? but as the conversation about increasing some of both bowers, but we do have now more equipment to deal with some threats and we've increased significantly o corporation. we have our partners. we've romania, we've the countries of europe in union with united states with ukraine. you hear yourself quote to president alaska, so there is a lot of information sharing. there is a lot of mutual support and name is difficult region at this difficulty that cannot guarantee, but we know the full extent. what we know is whether it's not the 1st blog is the 1st attempt to stabilize mold, though we've called through the previous attempts from one of them to the of our most recent optics. it is a way to clear our president said that our head of intelligence said that some of the us of russia is working together and we have some mold ovens, fugitive some of the guards, and they work together to just stabilize mold on that to bring violence on the
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streets of old over and so far they failed. in february, you pushed through a so called separatism, making it illegal to promote espionage and treason statute also bands, actions that poses a serious threat to the security of the like. these actions only now being treated as crimes. the latest 12th, when few paid on the trip preferred to use what would happen earlier. so we have a problem with a separate history, jim, uh, sales uh, even if even before our independent insurance. imagine, oh, trust me. 70 trust me for in the region are full though, but yes, what are some illegal russian military presence there bought for the last 40 plus years? the situation around this region has been mostly stable, mostly count. we've been talking to the trustees trend, regional representatives and moultrie integrations and our methods. and our way of trying to integrate the country is dialogue diploma. sidney vocations. fed up are doing the same time, given the much more much higher security to the 6 in the,
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in the region. we did adopt these provisions in the name of the criminal code so that we are able to penalize if we need to people trying to undermine the territorial integrity of our country. at the same time, while tilting to the trustees trained representatives of the cost of contacts, we have a deputy prime minister in charge of for integration, includes meetings, his counterparts, which if negotiate and repressed these $3.00 in the region, there have been several conversations and discussions in the last year and i can tell you about the absolute majority of it, people on both sides of free one needs to, including most the representative sort of separatist leadership don't want to leave in the words zone. so we've a process, nice trans, separate display. they're never mind the fact that they have russian station there . yeah, yeah, of course we see jason, not much choice through the of the situation is complicated, but that is
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a clearly me mildly. yeah. the 2nd clear commitment to management different says we've always separate this region for peaceful means and died a little bit negotiation. so that's what we're doing. let me take you back to march 11th the night before. big protest and the station is still being held in your capitol. police are reported to the infiltrated and broken off the group, allegedly run by russian f. s. b agents were trying to organize clashes at that demonstration. how serious was this instead of all of these, these events are serious, but so is our capacity to do with them. 25 people were detained. that sounds like this, including the russian agent. well, they weren't designed to recruit and try the local groups to cause trouble. several people are detained. several people were interrogated. that's our means for each police and the intelligence services of dealing with the situation. and i'm telling you, yes, the situations are serious of the same time. so is our capacity to keep the count
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of stability on our streets and with a learn to keep saying that the people being released and were involved with this operation. i'm, i'm not in a position to give you, you know, a breakdown of each individual and the preach stage in this procedures. let me think, doing question another way to do you have any idea of how many of these groups are still operating in your country as well. even of course, with monitoring several of these groups, but i don't think anybody want more than 5. the less the intelligence services under police are working them, but what we know that they called students to read this concept, right? what is the taishan of his friend? but this caused some failure to bring violence on the streets in kitchen. and the reason for that is that the opposite, the absolute majority of the people, the absolute majority of the political parties, including most political parties,
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what do not support the government. they also don't want to leave in the country where you've had the violence of the street. so, but it's a clear societal consensus behind a managing political process involved or what fruit standard democratic procedures, the view of the european council on foreign relations is that march 12th was a preparatory and recognizance exercise for the russian operatives. not a full dress rehearsal, but an opportunity to test the responses of your security services and the coordination mechanism among the various agencies to buy that. well, we've been in this mode for over a year, but it's a constant attempts to impose stress on the, on our society, on our economy, on our political system. you mentioned it yourself, cyber attacks phase facebook alerts, trying to infiltrate and all those people who are supposed to destabilize the country. so what you described is a near constant situation. but at the same time we've been living with this type of
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situations we've been managing to keep stability. we've been coping with this type of stress, and we'll continue to do so. the conclusion that the council is the russian actions strongly suggest. most color is preparing for a full scale insurrection in moldova, and upcoming presidential elections in 2024 on parliamentary elections. would give them a window of opportunity. is that a scenario that to give any credence to? well, good, but it's coming from a think tank uh fits their opinion. what i can tell the only people who to this, i mean most, no, no, no, but i mean most elections unpredictable. what i can tell you with clarity is that the absolute majority of the people, you know, the, the one to be living want to live in the country with his feet stable and peaceful . and this is what this government is offering. even on the opposition side, most the position parties also want to keep peace come under liberty of our country
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. most october, the washington post review documents obtained by you created intelligence which shows the precious f. s. b. a channeled millions of dollars to a network of mobiles. and politicians, the aim being to push the country away from the you and towards moscow. do you know which of your politicians belong to that network is receiving millions of dollars. well, we have had politicians who stole hundreds of millions of dollars from the mold of and population. and many of them have received indeed, a russian cash. uh, some of them are being investigated but, but they will begin to lose, but they failed, failed, failed to do it. i don't know the, from the past of your opinion on from the box and they will tell me i have none. the less infiltrated your structures. yes, and the present may still be the case. yeah. but may still going to do that. i can uh oh, it's quite clear, but pressure has been supporting political parties involved over and political and
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politicians. yes. so that's and hopefully what insurance with. ready with these millions of dollars of it's quite likely. yes. do you know you can trust in your country? well, here's what we know is let's visit terms to buy, to, to do, to rail. too many beliefs have largely failed. no dollar has been a democracy for 30 years. all governments have changed as a result of elections. several attempts by some leaders to impose autocratic rule in moldova failed. several attempts to do a little de from the off to view it. okay, i'm you and you're including right previous president of them, including by i'm only got for the a few years ago. black with your bit o failed to do the from the of to you. and i'm very confident that our society will strong. it will stay strongly engaged and will support us in bringing the.
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