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passcode is government struggling to come back? fiber decides from russia and supporters on the streets and the government protests of multiplied upon hoaxes, cyber attacks and thoughts to bring down the government. first of the, my assigned to insist as while she's in office for country. well, hold on to democracy and freedom for comments. if you crime what to lose the war will get trapped in the style made. just how long could this pro western state even hope to survive? welcome to come think so. thank you for inviting me. you're living on one of the world's most dangerous type groups, right next door to the war in ukraine. how for job is the situation. you think all a funeral is for joe his days and of course, moldova is a country next to ukraine. that is in a very difficult region, that's a very difficult time to have the same time. what the last tier showed was that

ukraine is able to resist the cranium society, the training and political system. ukraine in the army has managed to fight back to resist, to liberate some territories. and by doing so, they also of all sides mold over a greater degree of security even with fear c or a year ago. today, a freed sections, fruits cards, ukraine is also defending, but just to kind of hold off as well as something that allows them old of a degree of capacity to continue to focus on our, the forms. so managing our economy really and the promise i'm going to lose your under constance rep from hybrid rush, you offer literally hundreds of bomb hoaxes. attempts to inside violent demonstrations. cyber attacks and people squeezing your quarterly fig bump alerts.

the kitchen, the blackouts. yeah, we've been extremely busy managing the consequences of the war. we've had some $600000.00, but i for jeez, crossing dollar territory today at around 3 percent of over pollution, that averages from ukraine. and yet, we have managed to, to, to call a piece of email, a country with managed strips. the ability of the situation is complicated, but we don't face minnesota disease today because we, ukraine is resisting and we are able to focus on manage example threats. but your interior minister says that the situation is extremely vol. the tile. she said democracy in peace in europe. russia's next targets, mold over stands in the way of russia's intention to break your stability. we can only keep it can protect it if with united, but you don't have that unity in your country,

do you the opinion polls suggest it's been severely tested, right? well we are united in moldova, in our desire to keep peace on our territory. everybody, the board? yeah. the absolute majority, you don't have people in moldova arguing or calling for prussian tanks to approach on board that we, you have as a new normal democratic society. we have people who have different political preferences. sometimes joe political preferences, but even voters for disagree with the government want to leave in a peaceful country. he may pro most good policies and he will bill it, which is kind of the enjoyed greatness of what the new hyper smaller it's not true . even false power to switch before we're open to promote school wants to live in a country, but this peaceful but this democratic work. they have a freedom to protest wherever they have the freedom to operate. so come to parties . we've a certain product since history have partly revised their approaches and they want

to leave in a peaceful country. they don't want to leave in a dictatorship. they don't want to leave in a word zone. in february, your present publicly accused russia talking to over sort of the government of russia, denied. this is information supplied by ukraine's presidents or landscape. how close do you think your government came to be talking? i don't think it came close. uh we probably, but we've managed to do railed more than one attempt to destabilize moldova. we've managed to do rail several attempts to attack police to take over buildings. our institutions are very alert of instead of just surveys, administrative interior, our agencies, everyone is very alert. but the last here has group for to we are able to keep the situation, the reason of the call, given the region, believe and cope with this type of threats. we know that last month, so in terms of service expelled to farmers without saying which country they were from, accused them of taking cotton versus activities to cause

a violent change to the constitutional order. so incredibly serious charge. why did you let these people go for charging them? was something a serious? well, we have a better have been several occasions just this year. we did not let of us quite a lot of for, and there's to come from the country because many of them were suspected of trying to pull up. the violence isn't below or trying to destabilize hold of in politics or of the measures a few weeks ago. we did not lead some 20 serbian citizens, for example, entering the country american. we met several people inside the country on serious charges. why do you let them go? well, in this specific case, i will not come in to details, but that are also people who have been arrested for attempts to try and still come by. what realtors are in town, i've helped the february your president said to prosecutors and spies need more powers to come back to threat from the printer. why do they have those power as

well? but as the conversation about increasing some of those powers, but we do have now more equipment to deal with some threats and we've increased significantly all corporation. we have our partners. we've romania, we've the countries of europe in union with united states with ukraine. you hear yourself quoted prisons, alaska. so there is a lot of information sharing. there is a lot of mutual support and name is difficult region at this difficulty that cannot guarantee. but we know the full extent to what we know is whether it's not the 1st floor is the 1st attempt to stabilize mold, though we've called through the previous attempts from one attempt to the other and was reaching out. because it is a way to clear our president said that our heads of intelligence said that some of the us of russia is working together and we have some mold ovens fugitive some more . the guards and they work together to just stabilize mold on that to bring

violence on the streets of old over and so far they failed. in february, you pushed through a so called separatism, little making it illegal to promote espionage and treason. statute also bands actions that poses a serious threat to the security of the links. these actions only now being treated as crimes. the latest 12, when few paid on the threat preferred to use what would happen earlier. so we have a problem with a separate history, jim, uh, sales uh, even seen them before. our independent insurance. imagine oh, trust me. 70 trust me. strength region. a full nova. yes. what are some illegal russian military presence there bought for these last for 2 plus years? the situation around is region has been mostly stable, mostly count. we've been talking to the trustees trend, regional representatives, and moultrie integrations and our methods. and our way of trying to integrate the country is dialogue diploma. so negotiations fits up are doing the same time given

the much more much higher security risks in the, in the region. we did adopt these provisions in the name of the criminal code so that we are able to penalize if we need to people trying to undermine the territorial integrity of our country. at the same time, while tilting to the trustees trained representatives of us costs of contacts, we have a deputy prime minister in charge of for integration, queens meetings, his counterparts, which if negotiate and repressed these $3.00 in the region, there have been several conversations and discussions in the last year and i can tell you of an absolute majority of, of people on both sides of free one nice to including most representative sort of separatist leadership don't want to leave and the words don't. so with a press nice trend separate typically they're never mind the fact that they have russian troops stationed there. yeah, yeah, of course we see jason, how much choice do they?

uh, the situation is complicated, but that is a clearly really mildly yeah, you've been hosting a clear commitment to management different says we've always separate this region for peaceful means and died a little bit negotiation. so that's what we're doing. let me take you back to march 11th the night before. big protest and the station is still being held in your capitol. police are reported to have infiltrated and broken off the group, allegedly run by russian f. s. b agents who were trying to organize clashes of that demonstration, how serious was listed instead of all of these various events are serious. but so is our capacity to deal with them. 25 people were detained, apparently, yes, including the russian agent. well, they were do tend to recruit and train local groups to cause trouble. several people loved the paint, several people were interrogated. that's our means for each police and the intelligence services of dealing with the situation. and i'm telling you, yes,

the situations are serious of the same time. so is our capacity to keep because of stability on our streets and with a learn to keep saying that the people being released and were involved with this operation. i'm, i'm not in a position to give you, you know, a breakdown of each individual and the switch stage. and this procedures are busy doing question. another way, do you have any idea of how many of these groups are still operating in your country as well? even of course, with monitoring several of these groups, but i don't think anybody want more than 5. the less the intelligence services under police are working them. but what we know that the constance read most constant, right? what is the patient of his friend, but this caused some failure to bring violence on the streets in case you know. and the reason for that is that the opposite, the absolute majority of the people, the absolute majority of the political parties, including most political parties,

sweat, do not support the government. they also don't want to live in the country where you've had the violence of the street. so, but it's a clear societal consensus behind a managing political process involved or what fruit standard democratic procedures, the view of the european council on foreign relations is that much 12th, was a preparatory and recognizance exercise for the russian operatives. not a full dress rehearsal, but an opportunity to test the responses of your security services and the coordination mechanism among the various agencies to buy that. well, we've been in this mode for over a year, but it's a constant attempts to impose stress on the, on our society or now are you calling me on our political system? you mentioned that yourselves, cyber attacks, face facebook alerts, trying to infiltrate and all those people who are supposed to destabilize the country. so what you described is a near constant situation. but at the same time we've been living with this type of

situations we've been managing to keep stability. we've been coping with this type of stress, and we'll continue to do so. the conclusion that the council is that the russian actions strongly suggest mosca is preparing for a full scale insurrection in moldova and upcoming presidential elections in 2024 on parliamentary elections. would give them a window of opportunity. is that a scenario that to give any credence to well guns coming from a think tank uh fits their opinion. what they can tell the only people who are to this, i mean most no, no, no, but i mean, most elections unpredictable. what i can tell you, we've clarity is that the absolute majority of the people, you know, the, the one to be living want to live in the country, but this feet stable a peaceful. and this is what this government is offering. even on the opposition

side, most the position parties also want to keep peace comb. i'm the liberty of our country most october. the washington post review documents obtained by you created intelligence which shows the precious f as be channeled millions of dollars to a network of mobiles. and politicians, the aim being to push the country away from the you and towards moscow. do you know which of your politicians belong to that network is receiving millions of dollars. well, we have a head politicians who stole hundreds of millions of dollars from the mold of and population. and many of them have received indeed, russian cash. uh some of them are being investigated, but that they will begin to lose. but they failed, failed, failed to get, i don't know the, from the profit of your opinion on from the box. and they will tell me i have none the less infiltrated your structures. yes. and the present may still be the case. yeah. but may still going to do that. i can uh oh, it's quite clear,

but pressure has been supporting political parties involved over and political and politicians. yes. what exactly, what influence with money with these millions of dollars of it's quite likely. yes . do you know you can trust in your country? well, here's what we know is let's visit the terms to buy, to, to do, to rail. too many beliefs have largely failed. no dollar has been a democracy for 30 years. all governments have changed as a result of collections. several attempts by some leaders to impose autocratic rule in moldova failed several attempts to do a little de from the off to view it. okay, and you and your concluding right previous president of them, including by i'm only gar for, with mold over if you're single block with your bit o. i failed to develop mold over from the past of a you and i'm very confident that our society will strongly will stay strongly engaged and will support us in bringing the country into the or can you just days

before the president spoke about a coup, attempt your prime minister natalie, a couple really tiny, resigned, blaming crises caused by russian aggression and not a great time perhaps to have a government re shuffle what she, what she told to resign or what she sacrifice because the countries facing huge economic problems. and so i'm going to have to take the black hole in the science. otherwise it's the same majority. empower is the same president. and the most little bit about her resignation with, with dish to jump over. she pushed, well uh there was a mutual decision that transferred me to this as well, but at the same time, there never even worse than well, but it was a conversation and thought it was a joint decision of the uh, the percentage of, of, of the parliamentary majority to change the prime minister. most of the government does the same. the president does the same. the parliament the majority is the same . but there has been a change in prime minister cutty would probably be the sacrificial no no because

there was a prime minister. the new prime minister has a more background in his a former minister of interior, excuse me, because of former national security adviser to president. so if his decision was based on the idea of it, looking into the near future mold on the will face and these facing significantly increased security risk center for the vic focus now is much more that is much more emphasis on the need to manage the security situation of the previous prime minister in the public, a very, it's a mostly problems we have an economic background and that is what explains this change? what makes you think the replacement prime minister will be able to do any better. i mean, the realities that they have to deal with are the same. ronald installation running it around 30 percent utility bills that hit the roof. poverty is increasing. what makes you think the problem is to develop at least governing team or for each of

the former advocate on prime minister are part of the same team and i am part of this team. i'm the team of president bias on the we've managed to cope with video and the last here i will give you a couple of examples for the last winter is the 1st we entered in the list because she's 3 into which we went with significant desperate resorts we've managed to go for this winter, we've cheating on and the lights on back in october, november our electricity security jeff electricity supply was present because there are some brutal bumping of ukrainian electricity infrastructure. we've had several instances of blackouts, but nonetheless, we've managed to ensure for all to interpret the lights and our homes were on. so our government into because managed to avoid cause managed to manage a we've called and efficiency massive problems and increasing the

type of work you service. but the recent whole by magenta consulting. sions, 56 percent, blaming the government for the economic kotch. at the same time, the governing party, affectionate. what sort of data to imprison my assembled are the most popular politicians by far in the country and we do continuously enjoy a high level of support. of course for 2 percent inflation, 7 fold increase in uh, gas costs for fold increase and electricity costs. the negative effect of production is both a war on. moldova is a process, but with a war on ukraine is imposing car cheaper. now population is generating negative effects for thousands have gone through some of the world, but nobody's extremely exposed. but we've managed, missed the risks, and we'll continue doing so, specifically a relationship with nato, its boss seeing something that can do a close and highly valued part of that. despite the pressure on the mo,

the constitution still declares the country to be mutual. what's been happening in your country? how long do you think that the child to the last? so the credit edition was adopted in 1994. so this provision on both of us new project has been there for almost 40 years for change. well, what this clear is, is with mold over, definitely needs and has already started changing it. security and defense policy would be an increase in go security and defense capabilities. we have been dramatically in the inc, i'm very rapidly expanding the dipping goal corporation with of those countries and organizations that support piece in the liberty mold over and see, or of course i would start, we would remain yeah. we do and nights and states, we have germany, we've promised we've made to with the european union. we've been very busy, strengthening mold over $675.00. so you come back to that issue neutrality because

in january your defense minister, i'm totally not savvy, said you are now asking less than partners, presumably, nighttime for, at defense system. and he said the boy named craig and show both of us and mutual status. and the discussion about moto this, the minutes or i stages are no longer current move davis and mutual status is no longer current. that's quite a significant change of policy use. so you're not going to see the membership of nature. well at this stage, what does a political conversation in moldova, about the best ways to ensure our security to incite the decisions? because this is the usual state, this is no longer i talk to. so those are taken by the parliament, was the spitting out of touch, was the normal around? what was the date? is it the increasing security and defense corporation with your opinion and we've made to and the member states of his organization. this is wrong. the defense loose is what i can tell you is what uh, the constitutional provision of neutrality is not enough to ensure moldova security

. what he's going to be sure. our security is a strong partnership and strong support from both countries, but support this and our liberty. and these are the member states of natal under europe in union. and these 2 are denies ation. system progress. good. sounds like the decision is already be made. you're just not prepared to formally announce out this neutrality is no longer in place. well, neutrality is a cluster tional provision that is in place at the same time. it's not too much paper, only. it's not enough to keep me security to a fellow country. and we are working day and night to increase the security of our country by strengthening our security and defense partnership. we've country events that support some cure. i would like to also to um, a quote uh president call. so kind of. so for me now who several times said that the under no circumstances would remain,

it would have bundled the full spectrum of threats for me. and it would always stand by. moldova would always support my daughter and let suffolk, which we value and rolled over its something which gives us reassurance in our future, you know, you'd up in the future and in our ability to, to keep hold of a free and part of the free world to give her and the long we've romania and all of our partners from the european union. and they do believe if we look at the war that's going on in ukraine, do you believe that there can be a full and complete victory by ukraine as president? so let's case holding out for a moment or a model would very grateful to you crate. so but i us yes for defending themselves. and by doing so defending moldova, and our quote of the corporate powers society about ukraine, liberated territories and our continent and ukraine. and moved over and the

other countries in europe can go back to a situation where europe is peaceful. countries are not the dressed territory, so i don't know to to fight and we do cope and we do support a moved over ukraine's invitation to fall. if it's territory is used to the non so my question, do you believe status still us? well, i know how does house, yes, and they can let me put night. believe this be a nightmare or mean or you can predict the future was, can you watch a pretty good on the front line? so what we hope this is what you crane will do that. and the west shut off the united states, all the countries in the world for home, for which international lo metters will support ukraine invest in denver, all the countries, but the one to be protected by international law need to support ukraine as well. in its capacity to liberate its territories brutally occupied by rush. and if you

create should lose. so get stuck in a semi permanent style made what then you well from although as a government we have a duty to be preparing for all kinds of scenarios from negative over budget. so we have to prepare for all kinds of scenarios including that scenario. of course, for easier scenario for positive scenarios, so it's easier to prepare. but there's a government with totally obliged to be preparing for the full spectrum of scenarios, including the strong scenarios which are even worse or better. but generally, i am confident in all those future. i am confident to no capacity to keep peace and liberty and the off to the european union. what is a strong societal desire to continue with that? and uh, we enrolled over cope, this war will come to an end. as soon as possible that ukraine will liberate its territories and europe and,

and the united states and canada and japan and all the countries that support the freedom of ukraine will continue being strongly engaged in supporting ukraine. and by doing that would also help moldova overcome the negative effects of this war. profess thank you very much for being a conflict. so thank you. the the,

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