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let's just get someone. just let me know. sure. i for very little about the what you guys for today's talk. so it's gonna be pretty much open. but i was watching with a lot of aggravation. what you managed to achieve with panama papers. i think that was important. your actions got raised be of in any of us. so, you know, the panama papers really did change the shape of the conversation because it's so clearly illustrated. these people involved in something the publicly, the consensus was, this is wrong without people knowing the law because the law was so complex. now,

the concern that i have about this is that the adverse areas of a free society recognize the same dynamic where they can use that immediate instinctual reaction. this is wrong, and they can use this for anti social purposes. we see this happening and hungry. we see what's happening, places like the united states. we see this happening with the breakfast campaign, u. k. there is a kind of journalism that's being used actively to mislead and misinformed the public these liberal and open societies that we inherited. they're not guaranteed, they only exist to the collective efforts of many people. now we are entering this darker moment that everybody can see everybody can feel the things are changing. and if we don't stop that, if journalists are thinking on that scale,

where is that going to lead us the morgan? good morning, who's comes to the list to get the restaurant is most really, to put it plainly, investigative journalism lives largely from most of the lower the people who witness wrong during spend, share the information or possibly even proof. so say documents with journalists, name, lex note, and enough that's, that's thing because that's why we must keep in mind that every attack of most of lowers and every attempt occurred was of lowest rights is also an effort to

restrict investigative journalism in this to get to you can draw these most cancel out the kind of visual going many whistle blowers have acted on an ignoble mode episode. but what counts is, how important is this story for people in the end, if the story is important, you have to do it once a month. the, the, the human we were approached by someone who wanted to show us material from

a european country where us and then several of the people involved believing it had the potential to tumble a government who didn't lower. take note of that as courses because on it, you can see things that someone who was a member of government shouldn't st. bye and promise sentences and shouldn't do and as it could. and could you miss. now we've watched for just how many hours it's going to be before she just doesn't give in last time for hours and another half hour today and the phone and the video is only a single is included in the reason we're sitting here with these funny looking glasses on them, and if it's a technology that, or if you look at this screen without wearing these glasses, all you see is a white screen of a system. but when you put on these ridiculous glasses for then you see what's really on the screen with any of them. and they do this to ensure we can't film it and then yeah,

but because it's still not yet clear when or if we can write about the material that's being shown to us on the other side of the fittest, goes to figure this cut the greatest difficulty i see is that logistically, we still have so much to do to prepare for day x when it all kicks off symbols, because then everything must go very quickly. and a lot of things have to happen simultaneously. you party for seamless investigating things in home. i mean, what we've seen here is enough for a terrific story. another minutes after this, at least one of the 2 will be gone. and the other is, who knows how good they are at crisis management of a. but if even half of this stuff is true, has it done what we'll supposedly get from this person, this inside her inside of it come in? it will blow up the entire party. so she is going to protect the

i wanted to speak to you briefly about projects x 6. the c gets a set one up and it's been dragging on for months. yes. as and only now where the 1st developments taking place visits to face from i still don't know if or when day x will come the features of the moon. when these people will contact us and say that you can have the material do the whole on these videos in which high ranking politicians are possibly discussing corruption, called sewage placement, images one, the middleman has shown us the video and says when de x comes in, we can have all the material, could i just come to my to and then basically couldn't bring it out whenever we want is was pending because of it. so i fall, that's been the contact between the informants, new authorities in public, prosecute to for instance, in progress. and those are so nice thing to know. besides the political thoughts

he's know nothing about what happened. the people at the shop to for not news feed us from your view points and for months and does the inform and to approach us with the story in danger. and you can see a it is always this one of these underneath. i can't imagine this organization resorting to violence somehow on the since and function. but on the other hand, some of the people in this party used to belong to violent organization devoted to thing was that's a tough call share with the question is you my thought. com, i'm should we do now. i'm is from my perspective up we can only wait and see what other players decide. police are investigating the killing of one of motors. best mode investigative journalist. that's not yesterday. definitely cut one of the lease. yeah. with the victims a compliment, i've been tops, i'm looking, there's a blast. hold on the card to the field, meters away slowly that an appalling murder and another reminder of the dangerous

journalist space all around the world. the over from cleveland, or meeting a group of colleagues here to trying to collectively investigate the murder of daphne a kind of one that goes to the canadian. she's a colleague who also worked on the panama papers and ultimately with the she was killed by a carbone on the thing that and that's why we're making a concerted effort to pick her story up again along with the guardian on the new york times. and a few other sites on this, we want these people to realize that when they kill a journalist, their story will attract more attention to them rather than letting the staining uh the

some. it's really tough to experience this because i know her son matthew quite well and a chance i'm familiar with some of the topics she covered kind of a team and and of course you automatically think about your own live or vague because i'm going to go to mothers or what is so naturally i think more about security now than ever before for the to do the whoever it was, they decided they wanted to stop her investigation by killing her to come on. if

that's now the new normal life, then investigative work will stop all the session alpha oscillations. all what i worry about is that main stream politicians have launched angry verbal attacks on journalists, the screwed up and the most kind of climate and violent assault is just the next, the logical. so that the, she can't because she has a fight with the navy. but oh no, no, you meant with her grocer. she was deaf and it's a kid because of what you're out. i think it's that's the reason. so yes, i think this was a, a, a political, the event. we still haven't gotten our hands around what happened in malta gates. meanwhile,

it doesn't stuff into looking coordinated on good sack. another colleague we worked with on the panama papers and has also been murdered. it's hard to wrap your head around, ask on the of the machine is we have various data storage devices with video materials. these are the sticks that were and all the cameras. okay. it seems there were 6 cameras. as i said, well, the originals, these here are the original sd cards that were inserted only pizza and the network. so to speak, the videos for minutes, 40 seconds long and shot only in the living room. i think a little from that means we have no exterior video when they were outside in the

beginning and we have 6 different ones. oh, okay, good to know. i haven't watched all of them yet. but most of what we've seen has been in this room on here are how and file go to noise . and also sitting there this, this video quality is quite good. give you the somebody called me and the sound to the sounds, not good. be a

visa solving is now we're frantically trying to make as many copies as possible from your system as long as and i saw this for the 1st time a year ago. all the time i just saw a little bit and i'm only a quarter of an hour and kind of rush. then in the fall, i think kind of the, you can, i saw the whole video piece for me here. and i love, we never had it here and as long as we haven't got it here, we can't write about it. because if they see us, we need to have the video on hand. and now we have it since last night. i think this is for the latest triggered and anxiety spiral of everyone's getting more and more nervous. stopped us to just uh,

i think this spiral and with the publication and it and then i don't know what will happen then things will explode. it's the the, the office, the depending on what the reservation the be. we've had the video since last night. it is okay. and it's just a thing and it's actually not just one video. rather they filmed this house, this meeting using 6 cameras. from this, the mission china is that for me, the crucial things that we don't neglect, talk due diligence and not right up until the end. we must carry out everything having to do with the rsa with the same precision, new detroit. if the evidence wasn't so good, i'm going to delete the login. in any case, we must maintain this standard, right to the anthem flows of inside say and even if they're going to attack us

massively, something like that out of it. so the entire right wing camp will say, we're letting ourselves be instrumental lying the night before the election. we're meeting with criminals with us, with the sand and spiegel, working together. i think we can clear that all up just fine, but we mustn't make any mistake. this isn't a fit of the

way that they get something in return. exactly. can we say it's illegal? these types of policy don't ation what they're talking about, what they're offering and compensations to coffee. the cost of buying the croner newspaper to help the freedom party in supporting the audio quality is so crappy on the chavez. as soon as you take over the corner a newspaper, we need to calculate at the corner. we have chopped job code 3 or 4 people. we need out 3 or 4 get the acts up. so good as this goes down the crystal clear, let's see it. and then afterwards he says again, ok, you finance that you have control or something like that. it's so explicit, and so i thought i'd take a 1st charge in short and

corruption, corruption from the corrupt promise of the calls about gets kicked out the 1st like death of the quote and she promises to buy half the quote in a newspaper and give him good price, of course, she wants something in return. he says she should found a company like the construction firms club. ugh. and then he literally says, and stop bog and it's ceo will get no more contracts once he's in the office. i know all the public tender stop bog now receives would be hers the time for those whom the other thing is the legal party funding because of the foundations and the discussions about how they could lead money, flow the gate to piece and less than content as a store the so it's like this and they say if you like us,

then you should donate as long as you spent and then the storage and ask for the party under parts. no, no, no a. my name's vanessa. who are you donating to? then if a party donation doesn't go to the party, it's no longer a party donation. it's being turned into something else. and in both of these cases, a politician's position is normally understandable because of the 7 high base to see you in person. again. i'm time no, see things are getting a bit tight for this. go to barely through typing it out of the house. now we're going to print it and duplicate and lay it all out there. and then we can go over

the spots. we're not too sure about yeah. did you understand everything? no. we also have a rough version. let's just under gone a bit to find 2 next for them. i wanted us to have it by last night. obviously discussing. i'm ok. ok. let's go over the purely technical aspect again, the sequence of events, esl, watson. does that make sense? okay, so if i do this though, as far as we know or can reconstruct it and she was presented to them as the rich niece of an oligarchy. and she was said to have a lot of money that she wanted to invest, but somewhere on the a quarter of a 1000000000 euro defended me yet. does this whole really odd? they don't ask to see her passports. they don't know who she is or who he is. if they meet with them, talk about money and somehow promised them half of austria, this device of a, you know, kind of what we need to think through is why are they so now even, why are they doing all this? why don't they ask for id?

why are they talking about these things that way? could it be that someone setting a tribe for us here and see us the, the video quantitative video quality is quite good type plasma. these are scholarship times the image noise, which is probably visible here in the rooms up to 5, those a compression artifacts. this dental often does that indicates the use of extremely tiny hidden cameras on on mostly hits also. and also i see now at the stops use when i go through the entire video like this. i also see every single manipulation and see the money pronounced soon. okay, so point, okay, super and time. what's crucial are these 2 here. that's what we're interested in.

and then we suspect that the camera got a problem with it. i suspect it's in the light switch, which is missing. yeah. this is inside sports and there's a lot of defense items and it could be that it was added lights up enough. but technically speaking, light switches with the recording device. so now on the market for this one seems to me to be placed a bit too high and close to the wall, and that's who the person would actually put it this time. there's a very high probability that it really did take place in this villa with sale. what we're trying to try to give you the send additional off i personally or not is yes, send it to him. i'm with that. i've already checked and he's on it. who deals to so it says not to call him only tech students because they're going to see if they

come there is an e mail me to it's been ages since i felt nervous about sending something like this . also, you can hold on for a minute. if something goes wrong, we'll get blasted. we've rented over 18 times now. so the phone service not hostile, was what i'm saying. our tone is neither hostile nor judge mental. i'm sending stuff as now. and now with the news, great. they're gone. now it gets interesting. the messina, texas, i'm vision just started as i'm a visiting. oh, of course we understand that this isn't actually allowed somebody. we also see that

these are people oh, great public interest. and this provides an insight into their character and then you recognize their voices. and that could be to their advantage. i'm because i'm like in a re voice or written version can understand me. it's a nation better for like in this austrian vernacular was commune agreement or with principal cleanings. i'm is help them as if i'm bought this one with the spoken word. it's not possible to put it out there in its original form. i can't simply hand up a tape, i can repeat what was said, and i can transcribe it always. but for this i need this bottom of interest in what she's at, and that's the most you can ask for. so there's nothing up and for income of what can happen to us. it sounds stupid, but section 20120 $1.00 right? the stairs still and his mind yesterday, andrea said it's 30 daily fines and you can't do it anymore or something like that . then i'd say so what? so a lot of of a, you know, personally responsible, right?

it's easy for me to say in my department heads that. so what may have been doing? well, if you look at how important this documentation is, it is the one that's on, that's where i section 2, a one states, whoever that's without being authorized to do so, one makes an audio recording of the privately spoken words of another model to use is all makes the recording that's produced available to a 3rd party and that you probably cause a penalty of imprisonment for time, not exceeding 3 years or a fine using are making available to 3rd party as team. right. so, but then comes of the act, referred to in sentence one number to only entails criminal liability. if the public communication is suited to interfering with the legitimate interests of another, i'm going to be interesting to you. it is not on norful. if the public communication was made for the purposes of safeguarding overriding public interests, and that's is in my point of view, the case here,

it's in the public and trends to make it notice this be comfortable. defend this leap center and these 2 men, videos, i think people will accuse us of publishing fake news because it's a trap. we didn't set, we just got the goods that they will totally take a run at us. ok if we don't have the right to do it the same, but i think you need to hear him and you must hear how he argues, be a well now here i don't know struggles with himself kind of mrs. kim stole and keep saying how things must be legal for and then offer something which is anything by the legal. that's what makes it so gripping, of course it is this, but most is also tradition of a desperate to also be thinking like one. so i just wanted and it also ask you to consider basically in the wing of interest at hugh, it's not really about exposing a, at least not to our knowledge, a committed defense. rather it's about how shall i put it in lots of dirty thoughts

about something that can take it down this notice of their things then with a vice chancellor needs to come to light. the question is, do we need the sound on tape for that or not on 5, any time soon as you try them, we're just trying to make the decision somehow the all a call from australia and the number one that comes with a lot of those that are on speaker physical. just go to hello. hello. hello, i'm good. how are you?

yeah, the so it's cool company right now. is it a touch and it says i as a business own oh well, if it's about something that was cooled, something like post from us to you and then the right person to talk to is my colleague over my i'm is i can the maya. yes very actually i can, i know what it's about, but it's a very delicate match to him. but i was like, i con is tanisha. it's been, i'm in the room with my colleague of mine. i can post the photo to say like evening as well.

yeah like yeah, but i just come to the account. talk about it for professional reasons. i can pause so you want me to my colleague, colleague of mine. yeah . how does the day boston hold on? i got here had a load load your on speakerphone. it was even though look right, you're on speaker phone, and there are others in the room and they go by maya and another colleague down on thing a visiting. if you get in touch, we'd be glad to hear from you, but we sent you a few questions and would be please let us know if it does, is it scanning? so yes, i don't think it's so we have a matter to investigate and have some questions about it and we are asking you,

and i don't think that's odd to actually it's completely normal and we'd be pleased to get answers that are as comprehensive as possible. and we presume that we'll get them to come in and get out of an o's this particular. so why shouldn't you respond if it was something else? okay, no problem. okay, wonderful. no problem and you know, have some time if you still have questions, if we can help you call any time. okay. the best way to okay. have you talked to hash thompson? he will remember this and he can tell you more if it was as it seems, then hash tahoe was there, not me. so he probably knows more than i do. nancy. thank you again and just print that out until later than shows that he called you as well. there was sure he wanted you to tell him what were doing there, calling around to find out what we've got, the

some of it up there, which brings us back to the topic. immigrants who come with kids who haven't worked an hour, but net $3500.00 euro is a month or more that, that no one understands that. and so tell me what so socially minded or fair about how things have been going. so i was, i say nothing needs to ask for the legal aspects. it's clear there were different opinions when it comes to the question of whether we can show the video with image and sound drive. it's about with the politicians can be pulled. they close the kind of how corruptible, the politician who holds an important position in a country's government really is. i mean, i'm from my point of view and this is, this is an instance which is of overriding public interest. so that's why off the considering all the points to play a role update and i've come to the conclusion that we'll do it. i'm gonna keep this does be this month. how stick the main piece,

the same problem and what kind of questions and answers can come. i'll take care of that. who write about the croner newspaper and the freedom party through i'll do the freedom party. i'll do the cross the moment. nothing would be let me do something on continuous, these kind of stuff as heavy the months as cold of punched into the articles must be submitted with a put notes every fact. and every claim must come with evidence. and let me relate with us where it's from the stand that for march 17th or whatever. right. so how we prove it and torture? that fact the challenge team is loving watching. we have the answers on monday. sorry, i forgot you were still on the line. i'm just trying to find the good news, just reply on what's that zip code? okay. uh, relaxed and booze. the atmosphere language barriers, no donations whatever made and nothing else happened to. ready the cell phone,

so none of that happens the time they write about a purported lab being citizen that bothers me to you. i oh, i know why they're doing that by the because they rush eskoville and well sounds they want to avoid russia. russian money you know, they're talking about vladimir to the flooding media. she has contact to. yeah. do they have trying to make it look harmless? almost it's just like the, just the little brother, the okay. personal replies not from their spokes. people trying to keep this on the rods and gums con, clearly we need a passage that we can sites in opposition and say, hey, you knew there was a russian background there. this, the whole society one dies. so really something you'd present as evidence in court

today for the median, and we'll take it to the lawyers, then will you compile everything to do with moscow, all the items that we have a document showing how we can prove she was from moscow. he owes money because that's what they allow the alaska. how can we prove that they knew she was russian invoice for the samples and us go to the toyota. this is the lead time to go. but down below is left over at if it gets to. okay. i'll proof it for you. thanks. yeah, yeah. yeah, the yeah, you just broke the techs are already,

most of them are already some i think there are 5 or 6 techs lying upstairs. you all the help right. you with the main article, of course we don't have that. yeah. that's i'm enough. stevens on the phone, now we've got just 27 hours to a publication, and no text is actually finished to the point where we can say it's ready to publish right now that i can think of. then we can now get certification. this highest evidence. that means that will be a rough ride, take effect, check things again, and you'll go through and change every text with the lawyer i said we're investigating and planning to publish could change these people's lives. so of course you want to be 100 percent. sure. the attorneys, there's always something that you want to look at or double check off on, and it's not as if you can just leave it on the office. when you go home, then you can spend a peaceful evening with your family funds. it has nothing to who else get hungry and then the confidence you do take some of that home. would you minutes?

i'm getting off and start this on the slip punch. i'm let me see you on had can some of us it's a promo ability bordering on 70. that's why it's not a fight. nothing. the slightest of the material is a 100 percent authentic my to the on as is continuous on hung faced on the is for example, i could identify how to match for both those people. the i'm just a moment, but vice of the human really on the safe side. okay. on the since it's the details of the decision inside to the, to you here we have their response has been said on the phone, the meeting you address took place and the relaxed, informal, and boozy holiday atmosphere. that's absolutely got to go in and some, some done, and then they tried to put a spin on the whole thing since we came present that because they say the purported

lab being citizen for mitsy, which is to evade allegations about russian money. if you ask me, steve visited the list for the 1st time i agree to or, or if they agree, one another. andy says you're from moscow. i've been there many times give as they know full well, she's russian. probably the question is now, do we leave it out entirely and say it's laughable and coming in my view, it's irrelevant. we don't need it. it's not a central. okay. yeah. sometimes if that helps when writing well an older man. um we've never talked about it to be honest because of who makes those kinds of decisions. so the title, the

and having to open in this meeting secretly, film the video is putting pressure on austria and vice chancellor hines, chris jones chapa from the freedom party and several film and sound recordings that were linked to the. so don't it's, i don't and should be go magazine, the right wing populist a promise to purportedly rich russian woman. reportedly the allegedly rich russian wonder also is that okay? yeah, sure. almost the russian a

2nd i was interested in those things or have we used that already with the copying back and forth and the forgotten what's where if that's why i have it this thing, hobbies i'm new haven't much time left focus. sounds good. i mean, i know, but it's important to be following the example set by home, gary and president and prime minister in victor or bon with an accent that goes with one that one? no, that one is uh there is hardly any critical media left just cold. yeah. the killings, criticism, again, government critical media.

ok and send it to the right to speak do tonight. that should be good. and just to go to title and how many does the secret video displacing could incriminate austrian vice thomas estrada? of the freedom policy on that as the beloved country. this is the video recorded secretly as a villa on the spanish item to the visa, an absolute state to them that you see that probably captures the ministry of best friends of the chancellors. either give them good deal screen government is under increasing pressure on mortgage. i offered my resignation as vice chancellor of isaac, the province stepping down after the publication hidden camera footage of yesterday's video, i must say going on a 2nd enough is enough. it's going to fall out from the congress scandal continues . tell you right now. serious johnson the sebastian coast has just lost a vote of no confidence in the parliament. not just the chancellor,

but in fact his own government has been thrown down on a science the front page story and who put that together. i can do that as soon as it'd be good if you would like us to basically test to be of the item. most of them all, it's important to me in 1st thing we do tomorrow that we refrain from displays of trial in any form. ok. so not look at the great thing we've achieved, rosa and we're very soberly. just keep home with our reporting. we have the grounds for trump. yeah, i'm kind of just to to, i mean, if we did have that on my buttons and it'd be because we did the terrific journalistic walk ins. no, because something's happened that politically this what i'd like to avoid all that somebody and what we do today tomorrow and then the days to come next talking. ok, good, good time. and this got down to work, right? the

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