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news, i'm sure i've heard very little about the what you guys for today's talk. so it's gonna be pretty much open, but i was watching with a lot of aggravation. what you managed to achieve with panama papers? i think that was important. your actions got raised. be of, in any of the, you know, the panama papers really did change the shape of the conversation. because it's so clearly illustrated. these people involved in something that publicly, the consensus was, this is wrong without people knowing the law because the law was so complex. now, the concern that i have about this is that the adverse areas of

a free society recognize the same dynamic where they can use that immediate instinctual reaction a. this is wrong and they can use this for anti social purposes. we see this happening and hungry. we see this happening, police like the united states. we see this happening with the breakfast campaign, u. k. there is a kind of journalism that's being used actively to mislead misinformed, the public, these liberal and open societies that we inherited. they're not guaranteed, they only exist to the collective efforts of many people. now we are entering this darker moment that everybody can see everybody can feel the things are changing. and if we don't stop that, if journalists aren't thinking on that scale,

where is that going to lead us the 1 in the morning who's confident that he needs to go to the restaurant is most leave to put it plainly, investigative journalism lives largely for most of lower people who witness wrong during spend, share the information or possibly even prove. so say documents with journalists may be like snowed into an s s thing, because that's why we must keep in mind that every attack of most of lowers and every attempt occurred. was of the lowest rights is also an effort to restrict investigative journalism. and you still got to,

you can draw these most cancel. i have a good investment going. many whistle blowers have acted on an ignoble motive, said, but what accounts is, how important is this story for people in the end, if the story is important, you have to do it most of them on the human. we were approached by someone who wanted to show us material from a your p and country where was items several of the people involved believing it

had the potential to tumble a government who didn't lower taken over those courses. because on it, you can see things that someone who was a member of government shouldn't say, and i couldn't promise someone. suzanne shouldn't do my eyes and you don't miss. now we've watched for how many hours it's from the 4 feet or something . and then last time, 4 hours and another half hour today. and this is the reason we're sitting here with these funny looking glasses on them. and if it's a technology that, or if you look at this screen without wearing these glasses, all you see is a white screen of the system. but when you put on these ridiculous glasses for then you see what's really on the screen. it any of them and they do this to ensure we can't film it and then yeah, because it's still not yet clear when or if we can write about the material that's being shown to us on the other side of the fittest goes to share this cut the

greatest difficulty i see is that logistically, we still have so much to do to prepare for day x when it all kicks off samples, because then everything must go very quickly. and a lot of things have to happen simultaneously. you party for seamless investigating exam. i mean what we've seen here is enough for a terrific story, not as minutes after this. at least one of the 2 will be gone. and the other is, who knows how good they are at crisis management of a. but if even half of this stuff is true, it done, we'll supposedly get from this person this inside or inside of it come in. it will blow up the entire party. so she's just against the

i wanted to speak to you briefly about projects x 6. the c gets a set one up and it's been dragging on for months. yes. as didn't and only now or the 1st developments taking place ever since the association. we still don't know if or when day x will come the features of the moon when these people will contact us and say that you can have the material do that. hold on these videos in which high ranking politicians are possibly discussing corruption or a comp, sewage placement. it is one, the middleman has shown us the video and says when de x comes in, we can have all the material could have, it has come from up here. and then basically you couldn't bring it out whenever we want is spinning because of that. so i fall this, been the contacts between the informants in your thirties, in public prosecute differential between the who had and doesn't so nicely to know which one it is. i keep the thoughts, he's no, nothing about what happened that people have instruct you for not news feed us from

your view point and for money does the informant to approach just with the story in danger? and you can see a 2 it is always this one of these underneath. i can't imagine this organization resorting to violence somehow on the simpsons mentioned. but on the other hand, some of the people in this party used to belong to a violent organization device. that thing was, that's a tough call to the question, is you ever thought kinda should we do now? i'm is from my perspective up to can only wait and see what other players decide. police are investigating the killing of one of motors based mode investigative journalist. that's not yesterday. definitely cut a want to delete the see. i was the victim of a compliment. i've been tops, i'm looking, there's a blast. hold on the card to the field, meters away slowly that an appalling murder and another reminder of the dangerous journalist space all around the world. the

proper for cleaning or meeting a group of colleagues here to try to collectively investigate the murder of daphne a kind of one that goes to the canadian cheese, a colleague who also worked on the panama papers and out of them with a to she was killed by a carbone on the thing that and that's why we're making a concerted effort to pick her story up again along with the guardian on the new york times. and a few other sites on this. we want these people to realize that when they kill a journalist, their story will attract more attention to them rather than letting us meaning. uh the

some. it's really tough to experience this because i know her son matthew quite well and a chance i'm familiar with some of the topics she covered kind of a team and and of course you automatically think about your own live event because i'm going to go to mothers or what is so naturally, i think more about security now than ever before for the to do the whoever it was, they decided they wanted to stop her investigation by killing her. if that's now

the new normal life, then investigative work will stop. oh, session alpha us controls all what i worry about is that mainstream politicians have launched angry verbal attacks on journalists, the screwed up and then this kind of climate and violent assault is just for the next, the logical. so that the she for testing can't because she has a fight with the navy but or the humans with her grocer. she was stephan. it's a kid because of what you're about. i think it stands to reason. so yes, i think this was a, a, a political, the event. we still haven't gotten our hands around what happened in malta gates. meanwhile, it doesn't stop that long coordinator john cook, jack. another colleague, we worked with on the panama papers and has also been murdered. it's hard to wrap

your head around that's coming from the of the machine is we have various data storage devices with video materials. these are the sticks that word and all the cameras. okay. it seems there were 6 cameras. as i said that, well, the originals and these here are the original sd cards that were inserted on the pizza. interesting in the network, so to speak, the videos for minutes, 40 seconds long and shot only in the living room. i think little. so that means we have no exterior video when they were outside in the beginning. we have 6 different ones. oh, okay, good. so no,

i haven't watched all of them yet. but most of what we've seen has been in this room on here are have on file good interest and also sitting there this, this video quality is quite good. give you the most and the sound to the sounds, not good. the

the resources and has now were frantically trying to make as many copies as possible from your system as long as and i saw this for the 1st time a year ago. all the time i just saw a little bit and i'm only a quarter of an hour and kind of rush. and then in the fall, i think kind of the, you can, i saw the whole video media and i love, we never had it here. and as long as we haven't got it here, we can't write about it. because if they see us, we need to have the video on hand. and now we have it since last night. i think this is for the latest triggered endings. i or the spiral of everyone's getting more and more nervous stopped us. i think this spiral and with the publication and it and then i don't know what will happen then things will explode. tickets the

the, the office, the reservation, the, the, we've had the video since last night news. okay. and then this is the thing, and it's actually not just one video. rather they filmed this house, this meeting using 6 cameras. from this permission try this for me, the crucial things that we don't neglect, talk due diligence and awfully right up until the end we must carry out everything having to do with the rsa list with the with the same precision we deployed. if the evidence wasn't so good and then you delete the log in, just in any case, we must maintain this standard, right to the active list of info st. devens, they're going to attack us massively,

something like that out of it. so the entire right wing camp will say we're letting ourselves be instrumental lying the night before the election. we're meeting with criminals with us, with the scent and speaker working together. i think we can clear that all up just fine, but we mustn't make any mistakes in the faith of the for that they get something in return. exactly. can we say it's illegal,

these types of policy? don't sure what they're talking about, what they're offering and compensations the coughing because they're buying the croner newspaper to help the freedom party in supporting the audio quality is so crappy on the chavez. as soon as you take care of the corner newspaper, we need to constantly at the corner. we have chopped job code 3 or 4 people. we need out 3 or 4 get the acts up. so good. as this goes down, the crystal clear, let's see it. and then afterwards he says again, okay, you finance that you have control or something like that. it's so explicit. and so i thought i'd take a 1st charge in short and corruption, corruption of some of the corrupt promise of

the calls about and gets kicked out the 1st like the quote and she promises to buy half the quote in a newspaper and give him good price of course, she wants something in return. he says she should found a company like the construction firms to bog. then he literally says and tie bog and it's ceo will get no more contracts once he's in the office. i know all the public tender stop bog. now receives would be hers coming to the different times and assume the other thing is illegal party funding because of the foundations and the discussions about how they could let money flow as it gets to a piece of lesson content as a store the so it's like this and they say if you like us, then you should donate as long as you spent, and then the storage and ask for the party under parts. no, no,

no. under an expensive or you're donating to. then if a party donation doesn't go to the party, it's no longer a party donation. it's being turned into something else. and in both of these cases of politicians position is normally unreturnable. i think on the life of the 7 i based to see you in person again on time. no. see things are getting a bit tied to this go barely through typing it out. one of those. now we're going to print it and duplicate and lay it all out there. and then we can go over the spots. we're not too sure about yes it did you understand everything else has been

on the test? we also have a rough version that's just on the going to be to find 2 next for the ones that has to have it by last night. obviously the systems ok. ok. let's go over the purely technical aspect again. the, the sequence of events. yes. so often does that make sense? okay, so if i do this though, as far as we know or can reconstruct it and she was presented to them as the rich niece of an olive garden. and she was said to have a lot of money that she wanted to invest, but somewhere on the a quarter of a 1000000000 euro defended me yet. is this a whole really odd? they don't ask to see her passport for me. they don't know who she is or who he is and how they meet with them. talk about money and somehow promised them half of austria, this device of a, you know, kind of what we need to think through is why are they so now even, why are they doing all this? why don't they ask for id? why are they talking about these things that way? could it be that someone setting a tribe for us here?

yeah, the, the video quantitative video quality is quite good at high plaza. these are scholarship times there's image noise, which is probably visible here. let me use that to for those a compression artifacts, this dental thing that indicates the use of extremely tiny hidden cameras on, on the hits also. and also i see now at the stops use when i go through the entire video like this. and i also see every single manipulation and see the money pronounced soon. okay, so 5. okay, super the inside. what's crucial are these 2 here. that's what we're interested in . and then we suspect that the camera, the problem with that i suspect it's in the light switch,

which is missing here. this is inside sports and as long as it could be that it was added later. but technically speaking, light switches with the recording device is a now on the market it's on. for this one seems to me to be placed a bit too high and close to the wall, and that's who the person would actually put it. that is, can this a very high probability that it really did take place in this villa? let's see. i was trying to try to give you the send additional off i personally or not. yes, send it to him. i'm with that. i've already checked and he's on it deals too, so it says not to call him only tech students. come nervous, email me too. it's been ages since i felt nervous about sending something like this

logic. hold on, let me know if something goes wrong, we'll get blasted. we've run an over 18 times now. so it's not hostile. that's what i some of them saying our tone is neither hostile nor judge mental. i'm sending stuff as now. and now with the news. great, and they're gone. now it gets interesting. the messina, texas, i'm vision just started as i'm a visiting. oh, of course we understand that this isn't actually allowed somebody. we also see that these are people oh, great public interest. and this provides an insight into their character and then

you recognize their voices. and that could be to their advantage. i'm because i'm like in a re voice or written version can understand me. it's a nation better, like in this austrian binocular law commune agreement, or with principal cleanings, i'm is have them as of, i'm bought one with the spoken word. it's not possible to put it out there in its original form. i can't simply hand up a tape. i can repeat what was said and i can transcribe it always. but for this i need this bottom of interest in what she's at, and that's the most you can ask for. so there's nothing up and for income of what can happen to us. it sounds stupid, but section 20120 $1.00 right? the stairs still in this month the yesterday, andrea said it's 30 daily fines and you can't do it anymore or something like that . then i'd say so want so, but other of it, you know, personally responsible, right? it's easy for you to say my department heads that. so what may have been

doing? well, if you look at how important this documentation is in the toner, that's where i section 2 a one states. whoever has without being authorized to do so, one makes an audio recording of the private. the spoken words of another model to use is all makes the recording that's produced available to a 3rd party, and the can probably cause a penalty of imprisonment for time, not exceeding 3 years or a fine using are making available. the 3rd party is asking, right, so, but then comes over the act, referred to in sentence one number to only entails criminal liability. if the public communication is suited to interfering with the legitimate interests of another, i'm going to be interesting to you. it is not on norful if the public communication was made for the purposes of safeguarding, overriding public interest since a mattress. in my point of view, the case here, it's in the public interest and to make it notice this be comfortable. of these

things, this leap center needs to remember those. i think people will accuse us of publishing fake news because it's a trap. we didn't set. we just got the goods that they will totally take a run at us. you know, okay, if we don't have the right to do it, but i think you need to hear him. you must hear how he argues, feel. now here, i don't know struggles with himself kind of mrs. kemp. the old plan keeps saying how things must be legal and then offer something which is anything by the legal that's what makes it so gripping, of course. but most is also tradition of a that's make you also be thinking my concepts from that and also ask you to consider basically in the wing of interest at here. it's not really about exposing a, at least not to our knowledge, a committed defense. rather it's about how shall i put it in lots of dirty thoughts about something that can take it down this notice of their things then with the vice chancellor needs to come to light. the question is,

do we need the sound on tape for that or not? 5, any time you try to make the decision somehow the all a call from australia and the number on the times of the last. all of those that are on speaker physical. just go to hello. hello, hello, i'm good. how are you? yeah. so it's cool company right now. is it a touch and societies as

a business own? oh if it's about something that was cool and something like post from us to you and then the right person to talk to is my colleague over mine. i'm is i can look like what am i out? yes, very actually. i can. i know what it's about. it's a very delicate maxim, but i was like, i con is tanisha. it's been, i'm in the room with my colleague of mine. i can post the photo to say like, even as well. yeah. like, yeah. but i just come, come talk about it for professional reasons and i can pause so you want me to my

colleague, colleague of mine. yeah . how does the day boston hold on. yeah, here. i don't know if loading up your on speakerphone. it was even of loaded up right here on speaker phone, and there are others in the room that i send to they go by maya and another colleague on a honestly visiting. if you get in touch, we'd be glad to hear from you, but we've sent you a few questions and would be please let us or isn't does is it's done. so yes, i don't think it's so we have a matter to investigate and have some questions about it and we are asking you, and i don't think that's odd to actually it's completely normal and we'd be pleased to get answers that are as comprehensive as possible. and we presume that we'll get

them to come in and get out of an o's this particular. so why shouldn't you respond? because okay, hang on. okay, no problem. okay, wonderful. no problem and you know, have sometimes if you still have questions, if we can help you call any time. okay. the best with it. okay. have you talked to a hash toss on him? he'll remember this and he can tell you more if it was as it seems, then hashed it also was there not me. so he probably knows more than i do. nancy. thank you. thank and just print that out until later then. so it was that he called you as well there was sure he wanted you to tell him what we're doing there calling around to find out what we've got. ringback the

the which brings us back to the topic. ms. kim are going to come with kids who haven't worked an hour, but net $3500.00 euro is a month or more that the no one understands that. and so tell me what so socially minded or fair about how things have been going. so i, i say nothing needs as in some way ask for the legal aspects me so that it's clear, there are different opinions when it comes to the question of whether we can show the video with image and sound drive. it's about with the politicians can be bold to close the kind of how corruptible, the politicians who holds an important position in the countries government really is. i mean, i'm from my point of view and this is, this is an instance which is of overriding public interest. so that's why off the considering all the points that play a role update and have comes to the conclusion that we'll do it. let's see if this does be this month. how stick the main piece

soon followed until 10 questions and answers. i'll take care of that, who write about the croner newspaper and the freedom party through. i'll do the freedom party, i'll do the cross. the moment, nothing to do then we'll do something on continuous. these kind of stuff is heavy. the month is called the funds, tulsa, the articles must be submitted with put notes every fact. and every claim must come with evidence even uh, let me really with this where it's from the stand that for march 17th or whatever. right. so how we prove it in court should that fact be challenged? loving watching. we have the answers on monday. sorry i forgot you were still on the line. i'm just trying to find a good day in was just reply on what's out. zip code. okay. uh, relaxed and booze. the atmosphere language barriers, no donations, whatever made and nothing else happened. this is awesome. so none of that happens. yes, because they write about a purported lab being

a citizen that bothers me to you. i oh, i know why they're doing that by the, because the rest of us going with them. they want to avoid russia. russian money when they're talking about vladimir the, to the flooding media. she has contact to. yeah. do they have trying to make it look harmless? almost it's just like the just the little brother. okay . personal replies not from their spokes. people trying to keep this on the rods and gums con, clearly we need a passage that we can cite in opposition and say, hey, you knew there was a russian background. there is also signed on dice. and so really something you'd present as evidence in court for the median,

and we'll take it to the lawyers, then will you compile everything to do with moscow? or even though we have a document showing how we can prove she was from moscow deals because that's what they allow for the alaska. how can we prove that they knew she was russian invoice for the sample size? has to go to the toyota. this is the lead time to go, but it's down below is left over at if it gets to. okay. i'll proof it for you. thanks. yeah, yeah. the other one? yeah. you just wrote a text or already, most of them are already so like, i think there are 5 or 6 text learning upstairs was

the help. right. you're the main article. of course we don't have that yet. or time enough savings on the student. now we've got just 27 hours till publication and no text is actually finished to the point where we can say it's ready to publish right now. i think i'm a good now we get certification this highest evidence. that means it will be a rough ride to fact check things again, and you'll go through and change every text with the lawyer. i said we're investigating and planning to publish could change these people's lives. so of course you want to be 100 percent. sure. the not to do so, there's always something that you want to look at or double check on last monday, and it's not as if you can just leave it on the office. when you go home, then you can spend a peaceful evening with your family funds. it has nothing to who else get hundreds on the confidence you do take some of that one. would you minutes? i'm getting off and start this on the slip punch on that.

me see, i had kendra, it's a probability bordering on 70. that's why it's not a fight, nothing the slightest. the material is a 100 percent authentic. my attorney on continuing on hung based on the is for example, i could identified, towed to match for both those people and just a moment. but by the way, you were really on the safe side. okay. on the since it's like the shows of decision and side to via the here we have their response has been said on the phone, the meeting you address took place in a relaxed, informal, and boozy holiday atmosphere. that's absolutely got to go in and done and done. and then they tried to put a spin on the whole thing and students again versus because they say the purported lab being citizen for mitsy,

which is to evade allegations about russian money. if you ask me, steve vit, because for the 1st class i agree to or, or the degree one another. and he says, you're from moscow. i've been there many times give, as they know, full well, she's russian. probably the question is now, do we leave it out entirely and say it's laughable and coming in my view, it's irrelevant. we don't need it. it's not a central. okay. yes. sometimes if that helps when writing well an open mind. um, we've never talked about it to be honest because of who makes those kinds of decisions and entitled the the

in the hands of getting this meeting secretly filmed the video is putting pressure on austria and vice chancellor hines. because john stuff are from the freedom party and several film and sound recordings that were linked to the so don't it's, i don't and should be go magazines, the right wing copy list of promised up reportedly rich russian woman reportedly on the allegedly rich russian woman. the wilson is that okay? yeah, sure. almost the russian set in all 50 states or have we used that already with the copying back and forth and

the forgotten what's where if that's why i have it this thing, hobbies? no, no, you haven't much time left focus. sounds good. okay. i know, but it's important to be following the example set by home, gary and president and prime minister in victor or bon with an accent that goes with one that one? no, that one is uh there is hardly any critical media left just cold. yeah. the dealings criticism again, government critical media to okay and send it to the right to speak. do tonight is should be good and just to go

to title and how kind of just a quick video this bleaching could incriminate austrian vice thomas estrada. of the freedom policy. one that is to be left. this is the video is recorded secretly as a villa on the spanish items. would they be an absolute state to the imagine, see that probably captures the moves and they'll stay at best friends at the chancellor's office. either give them good deal street and government is under increasing pressure and i offered my resignation as vice chancellor of austic, the people stepping down after the publication, the hidden camera footage of yesterday's video, i must say going on a 2nd enough is enough, is enough to fall out from the congress candle continues to tell you right now. serious jossla sebastian cause has just lost no votes of no confidence in the parliament most time, not just the john slot, but in fact, his own government has been pro down all science. the

front page story and who put that together? i can do that. i see this, it would be good if you would use this the test if you, if i item most of them all, it's important to me in 1st thing we do tomorrow that we refrain from displays of triumph in any form. ok. so not look at the great thing we've achieved, rosa and we're very soberly. just keep home with all reporting. we have the grounds, the trump. yeah, i'm kind of left to to mean if we did have the number of buses and this be because we did the terrific journalistic work. no, because something's happened that politically. that's what i'd like to avoid all of that. because we to somebody in what we do today, tomorrow, and then the days to come next talking. ok, good. good. let's go down to walk right or the

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