which is what we have time for. we're going to leave you with these pictures from the coordination of britain's controls on queen camilla at westminster abbey, in london. and new coups mckinnon. thanks so much for being with us. god say the green you feel worried about the fence? i'm the host of the on the green fence post cost and so we, it's clear we means to train joint predict stipends of the green transformation for

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news, i'm sure i've heard very little about the what you guys for today's talk. so it's gonna be pretty much open but i was watching with a lot of aggravation. what you managed to achieve with panama papers? i think that was important. your actions got raised, be up in any of the, you know, the panama papers really did change the shape of the conversation. because it's so clearly illustrated. these people involved in something the publicly, the consensus was this is wrong without people knowing the law because the law was so complex. now, the concern that i have about this is that the adverse series of

a free society recognize the same dynamic where they can use that immediate instinctual reaction. this is wrong, and they can use this for anti social purposes. we see this happening and hungry. we see this happening, police like the united states. we see this happening with the breakfast campaign, u. k. there is a kind of journalism that's being used actively to mislead and misinformed the public these liberal and open societies that we inherited. they're not guaranteed, they only exist to the collective efforts of many people. now we are entering this darker moment that everybody can see everybody can feel the things are changing. and if we don't stop that, if journalists are thinking on that scale,

where is that going to lead us the money in the morning who's constantly on the list to go to the restaurant is most leave to put it plainly, investigative journalism lives largely for most of those people who witness wrong during spend share the information, or possibly even proof of the documents with journalism and lex note into an s s thing, because that's why we must keep in mind that every attack on whistleblowers and every attempt occurred was of the lowest rights is also an effort to restrict

investigative journalism and just to get to you can draw these most cancel, the kind of visual going many whistle blowers have acted on an ignoble motive and said what counts is, how important is this story for people in the end, if the story is important, you have to do it, most of them on the the human we were approached by someone who wanted to show us material from a european country where and then several of the people involved believing it had

the potential to tumble a government who didn't lower taken over those courses because on it, you can see things that someone who was a member of government shouldn't st. bye and promise sentences and shouldn't do and as it could. and could you miss. now we've watched for how many hours it's from the 4 feet or something and then last time, 4 hours and another half hour today and the phone and the video is only because it wasn't clear. and the reason we're sitting here with these funny looking glasses on them, and if it's a technology that, or if you look at this screen without wearing these glasses, all you see is a white screen though a fit some flood when you put on these ridiculous glasses for then you see what's really on the screen that any of them and they do this to ensure we can't film it and then yeah, but because it's still not yet clear when or if we can write about the material

that's being shown to us kind of that over time, if it just goes to show you this cutting, the greatest difficulty i see is that logistically we still have so much to do to prepare for day x when it all kicks off symbols, because then everything must go very quickly. and a lot of things have to happen simultaneously. you party for seamless investigating exam. i mean, what we've seen here is enough for a terrific story. another minutes after this, at least one of the 2 will be gone. and the other, who knows how good they are at crisis management of a. but if even half of this stuff is true, it done. we'll supposedly get from this person this inside or inside of it come in . it will blow up the entire party. so she's just against the

i wanted to speak to you briefly about projects x 6. this is just that one of them . it's been dragging on for months. yes. as didn't and only now or the 1st developments taking place ever since the pacific i'm. i still don't know if or when day x will come the features of the moon when these people will contact us and say that you can have the material do that. hold on these videos in which high ranking politicians are possibly discussing corruption, called sewage placement. images from the middleman has shown us the video and says when de x comes, then we can have all the material could have it has come from us. and then basically you couldn't bring it out whenever we want is spinning because of that. so i fall this, been the contacts between the informants, new authorities in public, prosecute to for instance, in because we had another so nice thing to know about that. as i keep the thoughts he's know nothing about what happened to people at

a shop to for not missed 15000 units from your v point and for months. does the informant to approach just with the story in danger? a penny defeated 2 of these orders. i saw it underneath you, i can't imagine this organization resorting to violence somehow on the simpsons luncheon. but on the other hand, some of the people in this party used to belong to a violent organization devoted thing was that's a tough call to. the question is, what should we do now? i'm is from my perspective up, we can only wait and see what other players decide police are investigating the killing of one of motors based mode investigative journalist. that's not yesterday . definitely cut one of the lease. yeah. was the victim of a compliment. i've been tops. i'm looking, there's a blast. hold on a card to a field, meters away slowly that an appalling murder and another reminder of the dangerous journalist space all around the world. the

over from cleveland, or meeting a group of colleagues here to try to collectively investigate the murder of daphne a kind of one that goes to the canadian cheese, a colleague who also worked on the panama papers and out of them with a to she was killed by a carbone on the thing that and that's why we're making a concerted effort to pick her story up again along with the guardian on the new york times. and a few other sites on this. we want these people to realize that when they kill a journalist, their story will attract more attention to them rather than loving. that's mainly the

some. it's really tough to experience this because i know hers son, matthew quite well and 10 so that i'm familiar with some of the topics she covered kind of a team and and of course you automatically think about your own live or vague because i'm going to go to mothers or what is so naturally, i think more about security now than ever before for the to the whoever it was, they decided they wanted to stop her investigation by killing her if that's now the

new normal life, then investigative work will stop a session alpha officials all what i worry about is that mainstream politicians have launched angry verbal attacks on journalists, the screwed up and then this kind of climate in violent assault is just the next, the logical so that she can't because she has a fight with the navy, but or the humans with her grocer, she was deaf and it's a kid because of what you're out. i think it stands to reason. so yes, i think this was a, a, a political, the event. we still haven't gotten our hands around what happened in malta gates. meanwhile, it doesn't stop that long coordinator john cook jack,

another colleague we worked with on the panama papers and has also been murdered. it's hard to wrap your head around. ask on the, the, the, the scene is we have various data storage devices with video materials. these are the sticks that word and all the cameras. okay. it seems there were 6 cameras. as i said, that was the original these here are the original sd cards that were inserted on the visa and the network, so to speak, with the videos for minutes, 40 seconds long and shot only in the living room, i think a little. so that means we have no experience video when they were outside and the beginning we have 6 different ones. oh, okay,

good. so familiar? no, i haven't watched all of them yet. but most of what we've seen has been in this room on here are have and file go to noise and also sitting there this, this video quality is quite good. give you the me close and the sound to the sounds . not good. the the

a visa. now were frantically trying to make as many copies as possible from your system as long as and i saw this for the 1st time a year ago. all the time. i just see us, we need to have the video on hand. and now we have it since last night, i think this is for the news triggered and anxiety spirals. and everyone's getting more and more nervous stopped as soon as i think this viral and with the publication and it, and then i don't know what will happen then things will explode. 2 bits of the office of

the be we've had the video since last night. it is okay, and it's just a 2nd interview and it's actually not just one video. rather they filmed this house, this meeting using 6 cameras. from this permission, try this for me. that's the crucial things that we don't neglect, aren't due diligence, and awfully right up until the end. we must carry out everything having to do with the rsa list with the, with the same precision mood deployed. if the evidence wasn't so good, when you delete the log in, in any case, we must maintain this standard, right to the have some flows of the inside st. devens, they're going to attack us massively, something like that out of it. so the entire right wing camp will say we're letting ourselves be instrumental lying the night before the election. we're meeting with criminals with us, with the sand and spiegel,

working together. i think we can clear that all up just fine, but we mustn't make any mistakes in the faith of the that they get something in return. exactly. can we say it's illegal, these types of call to donation what they're talking about, what they're offering and compensation. the coughing because they're buying the croner newspaper to help the freedom party in supporting the audio

quality is so crappy on the chavez. as soon as you take care of the corner newspaper, we need to calculate at the corner. we have chopped job code 3 or 4 people. we need out 3 or 4 get the acts up. so good as this goes down the crystal clear, let's see it. and then afterwards he says again, okay, you finance that you have control or something like that. it's so explicit, and so i thought i'd take a 1st charge in short of corruption, corruption from the corrupt promise of the calls and gets kicked out the 1st like death

of the quote and she promises to buy half the quote in the newspaper and give him good press, of course, she wants something in return. he says she should found the company like the construction firm style bug. then he literally says and tie bog and it's ceo will get no more contracts once he's in the office. i know all the public tender stop bog now receives would be hers coming of the times and assume the other thing is illegal party funding because of the foundations and the discussions about how they could let money flow. the gate to piece and less than content. is it still the so it's like this and they say if you like us, then you should donate as long as you spent and then the storage and ask for the party under parts. no, no, no, not under an expensive or you're donating to then if a party donation doesn't go to the party, it's no longer a party donation. it's being turned into something else. and in both of these cases

of politicians position is normally unreturnable, i think on the life of the page that was so nice. i based to see you in person again on time. no. see things are getting a bit tied to this. go barely through typing it out. one of those. now we're going to print it and duplicate and lay it all out there. and then we can go over the spots. we're not too sure about yes it did. you understand everything else has been on the test. we also have a rough version that's just on the going to be to find 2 next for the ones that has to have it by last night. obviously the systems. ok. ok. let's go over the purely

technical aspect again, the sequence of events, gesso, watson, does that make sense? okay. so, but the, the, so as far as we know or can reconstruct it and she was presented to them as the rich niece of an olive garden. and she was said to have a lot of money that she wanted to invest somewhere on the a quarter of a 1000000000 euro defended me. yeah. is this a whole really odd? they don't ask to see her passport for me. they don't know who she is or who he is and how they meet with them. talk about money and somehow promised them half of austria, this device of a, you know, kind of what we need to think through is why are they so now even, why are they doing all this? why don't they ask for id? why are they talking about these things that way? could it be that someone setting a tribe for us here? and here the

to the video, quantitative video quality is quite good. type plaza. these are scholarship times there's image noise, which is probably visible here. let me use that to, for those a compression of faxes. do i have to drop it off? and that indicates the use of extremely tiny hidden cameras on, on the hits also. and also i see now at the stops use when i go through the entire video like this. i also see every single manipulations and see the money pronounced soon. okay? so 5, okay, super the inside. what's crew? so are these 2 here? that's what we're interested in. and then we suspect that the camera, the problem with that i suspect it's in the light switch, which is missing here. this is inside sports and as long distance items as it could be that it was added later. but technically speaking, light switches with the recording device as a now on the market,

it's on fed. this one seems to me to be placed a bit too high and close to the wall, and that's who the person would actually put it. that is, can this a very high probability that it really did take place in this villa? let's see, i was trying to type and even though the send additional off i personally or not is yes. send it to him. i'm with that. i've already checked and he's on it deals too, so it says not to call him only tech students. come nervous, email me too. it's been ages since i felt nervous about sending something like this all taken from the windows. if something goes wrong, we'll get blasted. we're running over 18 times now.

full time, so that's not hostile. that's what i some of them saying our tone is neither hostile nor judge mental. i'm sending stuff as now, and now with a new, great, and they're gone. now it gets interesting, the messina, texas, i'm vision just started as i'm a visiting. oh, of course we understand that this isn't actually allowed somebody. we also see that these are people, oh, great public interest. and this provides an insight into their character. do you recognize their voices and that could be to their advantage because i'm like in a re voice or written version. it can understand me. it's a nation better for like in this austrian binocular law commute agreement or return

. so i'll cleanings on is happened as of, i'm bought this one with the spoken word. it's not possible to put it out there in its original form. i can't simply hand up a tape. i can repeat what was said and i can transcribe it always. but for this, i need this bottom of interest and much of it, and that's the most you can ask for. so there's nothing up and for income of what can happen to us. it sounds stupid, but section 20120 $1.00, right? the steps down to his mind yesterday, andrea said it's 30 daily fines and you can't do it anymore or something like that . then i'd say, so want so, but other of it, you know, personally responsible, right? it's easy for you to say my department head said so what may have been doing? well, if you look at how important this documentation is in the toner, that's where i section 2 a one states whoever has without being authorized to do so. one makes an audio

recording of the private the spoken words of another model to use is all makes the recording that's produced available to a 3rd party. and they can probably cause a penalty of imprisonment for time, not exceeding 3 years or a fine using are making available to 3rd party hosting. right? so, but then comes of the act referred to in sentence one number to me entails criminal liability. if the public communication is suited to interfering with the legitimate interests of another, i'm going to but i think she's not on the phone. if the public communication was made for the purposes of safeguarding overriding public interest since a mattress and my point of view the case here, it's in the public interest and to make it notice this be comfortable to defend this leap center needs to be done with those i think people will accuse us of publishing fake news because it's a trap. we didn't set. we just got the goods that they will totally take

a run at us. you know, okay, if we don't have the right to do it, if in, but i think you need to hear him, you must hear how he argues, be a woman. oh, here i don't know struggles with himself kind of mrs. kemp. the old plan keeps saying how things must be legal for, and then offer something which is anything by the legal. that's what makes it so, gripping, of course, is the spot. mazda is also to the issue of a desperate can also be thank you. my concepts from that and also ask you to consider basically in the wing of interest at hugh, it's not really about exposing a, at least not to our knowledge, a committed defense. rather it's about how shall i put it in lots of dirty thoughts about something. if i could take it down, this notice of there are things that with a vice chancellor needs to come to light. the question is, do we need the sound on tape for that or not 5, any time. as soon as you try to make the decision, somehow the

all a call from australia. i'm the number one that comes with a lot of those that are on speaker let's go to school to hello. hello. hello. good thing to see how to use this tool. it's called company right now, is the touch and societies as a business own. uh, if it's about something that was cool and something like post from us to you. and

then the right person to talk to is my colleague over mine is, is i can look for the maya. yes, very actually, i can, i know what it's about as them, it's a very delicate match them, but i was like a cons tennis. it's been, i'm in the room with my colleague of mine. i can post the phone over to the game as well. yeah, i guess i thought i'd just come come talk about it for professional reasons. and i can pause you want to my colleague, colleague of mine the

yeah. how does the day boston hold on here? i don't know if loading up your on speaker phone. it was even of loaded up right here on speaker phone, and there are others in the room center. they go by maya and another colleague on a honestly if you get in touch, we'd be glad to hear from you. we've sent you a few questions and would be pleased with it as it does is it's funny. so yes, i don't think it's so we have a matter to investigate and have some questions about it and we are asking you, i mean, i don't think that's odd to actually it's completely normal and we'd be pleased to get answers that are as comprehensive as possible and we presume that we'll get them to come in. i don't have an else this particular. so why shouldn't you respond? because okay, hang on. okay, no problem. okay,

wonderful. no problem and you know, have sometimes if you still have questions, if we can help you call anytime. okay, the best with it. okay. have you talked to a hash toss on him? he'll remember this and he can tell you more if it was as it seems, then hash tahoe was there, not me. so he probably knows more than i do. nancy. thank you. thank in despair to that until later then there was that he called you as well. there was sure he wanted you to tell him what we're doing there. calling around to find out what we've got, the some of it up there, which brings us back to the topic. events who come with kids who haven't worked an hour, but net $3500.00 euro is a month or more that, that no one understands that. and so tell me what so socially minded or fair about

how things have been going. so i was, i say, nothing needs to ask for the legal aspects. it's clear, there were different opinions when it comes to the question of whether we can show the video with image and sound drive. it's about with the politicians can be bold to close the kind of how corruptible, the politicians who holds an important position in the countries government really is. i mean, i'm from my point of view and this is, this is an instance which is of overriding public interest. so that's why off the considering all the points that play a role update and have comes to the conclusion that we'll do it. let's see if this does be this month. i'll stick the main piece in fargo until 10 questions and answers. i'll take care of that, who write about the croner newspaper and the freedom party. i'll do the freedom party, i'll do the cross the moment. nothing would be then we'll do something on continuous

. these kind of stuff as heavy. the months is cool. the funds, tulsa, the articles must be submitted with a put notes every fact. and every claim must come with evidence or not really with a so where it's from the stand that for march, 17th or whatever. right. so how we prove it in court, should that fact be challenged? loving watching. we have the answers. i'm sorry i forgot you were still on the line. i'm just trying to find a good day most just a platinum once house headquarters. okay. uh. relaxed and boozy atmosphere, language barriers, no donations, whatever made and nothing else happened. this is all something. so none of it happens all the time, and they write about a purported lab being citizen that bothers me to you. i oh, i know why they're doing that by the because they just ask what they want to avoid

russia. russian money you know, they're talking about vladimir to the flooding media. she has contact to. yeah. do they have trying to make it look harmless unless it's just like the, just the little brother. okay. personal replies not from their spokes. people trying to keep this on the rods and gums con, clearly we need a passage that we can sites in opposition and say, hey, you knew there was a russian background there. this also signed up on dice. so really something you'd present as evidence in court today for the median, and we'll take it to the lawyers, then will you compile everything to do with moscow, all kinds of. so we have a document showing how we can prove she was from moscow deals because that's what they allow for the alaska. how can we prove that they knew she was russian invoice

for the sample size? i was gonna go to the toyota. this is the lead time to go, but it's down below. it's left over at if it gets to. okay. i'll proof it for you. thanks. yeah, yeah yeah. yeah. you just wrote a text or already, most of them are already so like, i think there are 5 or 6 text learning upstairs to help right. you with the main article, of course we don't have that yet. or time enough savings on the student. now we've

got just 27 hours to publication and no text is actually finished to the point where we can say it's ready to publish right now. the think of them are good. now we get certification. this highest evidence, that means it will be a rough ride. i take effect, check things again, and you'll go through and change every text with the lawyer said, uh we're investigating and planning to publish. could change these people's lives. so of course you want to be 100 percent. sure. the tradition, there's always something that you want to look at or double check on sunday. and it's not as if you can just leave it on the office when you go home and then you can spend a peaceful evening with your family funds. it has nothing to who else good. hanging on the confidence you do take some of that home. would you minutes? i'm getting off and start this on the slip punch on that. me see you have had can some of us it's

a probability bordering on 70. that's why it's not a fight. nothing the slightest. and the material is a 100 percent authentic. my attorney on i just continued to you on 100 based on the units, for example, i could identify how to match for both those people and just a moment. but by the way, you're really on the safe side. okay. on the, since it's the details of the decision on site to via t here we have their response been sit on the phone, the meeting you address took place and the relaxed, informal, and booze, the holiday atmosphere. that's absolutely got to go in and done some done, and then they tried to put a spin on the whole thing into the game versus because they say the purported lab being citizen for mitsy, which is to evade allegations about russian money. if you ask me, steve vit, because for the 1st class i agree to or, or the degree one another. and he says, you're from moscow. i've been there many times give, as they know, full well,

she's russian. probably the question is now, do we leave it out entirely and say it's laughable and come in, in my view, it's irrelevant. we don't need it. it's not a central. okay. yes. sometimes if that helps when writing well man. oh man. um we've never talked about it to be honest because of who makes those kinds of decisions and entitled the or the in the opening, this meeting secretly film the video is putting pressure on austria and vice

chancellor hines because john stuff are from the freedom party and several film and sound recordings that were linked to the so don't it's, i don't and should be go magazines, the right wing copy list promised a purportedly rich russian woman reportedly ordered the allegedly rich russian woman the also is that okay? yeah, sure. it was almost the russian something else interested or have we used that already? the copying back and forth and forgotten what's where if that's why i have it this thing, hobbies maybe haven't much time left focused. sounds good. i mean, i know, but it's important to be loved following the example set by home,

gary in president and prime minister in victor or bon with an accidental business with want that one? no, that one is a there's hardly any critical media left of this call. yeah. the killings, criticism, again, government critical media to okay and send it to right to speak to tonight. that should be good. and just to go to the title mind, just as a quick video, this bleaching could incriminate austrian vice thomas estrada. of the freedom policy. one that if the beloved country, this is the video, is recorded secretly as

a villa on the spanish island to the visa and absolute state to the imagine. see that probably captures the munos for your best friends of the chancellors. either give them good deal street and government is under increasing pressure. i offered my resignation as vice chancellor of austic, the people who have been stepping down after the publication, the hidden camera footage of the today's video, i must say, going on a 2nd enough is enough, is enough to fall out from the congress candle, continues to tell you right now, serious jossla sebastian coast has just lost a vote of no confidence in the ottoman most time. not just the john salon, but in fact, his own government has been pro down all science the front page story who put that together. i can do that. i see this, it would be good if you would use this the test to be of the item. most of them all

. it's important to me in 1st thing we do tomorrow that we refrain from displays of triumph in any form. ok. so not look at the great thing we've achieved, rosa and we're very soberly. just keep home with all reporting. we have the grounds, the trump. yeah, i'm kind of left to to mean if we did have that on my buttons and it'd be because we did the terrific journalistic walk ins. no, because something's happened that politically. that's what i'd like to avoid all of that. because we to somebody in what we do today, tomorrow and then the days to come next, tanya. ok, good, good. let's go down to walk, right? them the

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