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of helping ukraine continue sending weapons, make sure that the public in each country does not stop its support does not get tired of the will. so this is another element that i think we have to, to include in our discussions is not only about giving but receiving more weapons or looking to the future of a possible you perspective. it's also about making sure that the interest on ukrainian issues on ukrainian affairs, in particular, when it comes to the work actually remains high. i do believe that's one of the reasons why mister savanski decided to stop all these different visits to european capitals and making sure that he can reinforce that idea. the support has to continue, even if the wall continues as well, or what we have been waiting for is this much anticipated ukrainian spring offensive. it seems to be delayed and zaleski himself said just last week. i believe that there still a postponing the start of this planned spring offensive because they don't have all
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the equipment that they would need. so how important are western weapons to ukraine? and how much do you think the lensky can? how much some additional support can zaleski drum up during this visit while he has already drum up drummed up a significant support during this visit on the visit is only on the way back to many a head of the visitor announced a very big military package and that was 2700000000 euros and describe is the biggest military package yet a germany has offered ukraine and this could certainly help you created when it comes to this spring counter offensive or offensive as you, as you mentioned the question, there is how quickly those deliveries would reach the crate because this has been an issue in the past, off the germany announces or has announced such and deliveries. it has taken some time before those deliveries actually get to ukraine. so probably part of the
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discussion is also in the job on times already as we speak, focusing specifically on those deliveries and how quickly they could get to a to ukraine. there are many issues at stake. that's the reason why probably that those images that we're seeing from the german, transitory, basically we're waiting for that press conference. and the reason behind that is that there's a lot to discuss. there's a lot at stake and we do believe that it was not only a meeting between the 2 leaders, so between chauncey restaurants and presidents of landscape, but also a meeting with the sort of wider in a circle of advisors. probably of both countries to try and discuss what could come next when it comes to political support, but also mandatory support and what that would look in practical terms. again, the issue is not only about announcing that germany will deliver military equipment, it's also about the practical terms of when key of correction you receive those military device. and i think is also safe to assume that the kremlin is also
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watching the last case, visit to berlin very carefully. how do you think russia is going to respond to the kind of welcome that's the lensky has been given by the german government. this new a package, nearly 3000000000 euros. is that going to have any direct consequences for russian? his attitude towards germany? i can't imagine that it will strengthen already important positions that the cramming has not only on germany and ukraine, but also on bad view of the west. it's important to stress that the kremlin sees this war from a very different perspective from perspective in which they say they actually had to invade ukraine, that they are defending in certain aspects of ukraine. they see the blame squarely on the west, squarely on nato. and that is something that you clearly so for example, in the last few days in speeches by the russian president boynton. so i do imagine
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that these kinds of images that we see now here in the chance to read in berlin that we probably also see later in the city of austin when mississippians to receive the charlemagne price for european unity will reinforce some of those very different if he was coming from russia, it will strengthen, i would say, both sides. those are believed that russia is squarely to blame for an invasion that it started in ukraine. on the other hand, russia would also probably say that the blame is not on them, but the blame is actually on, on the west. and that europe, by strengthening ukraine, by providing weapons to ukraine is actually harming any possible peace negotiations . later in the day, i a quick note to our viewers. if you're just joining us, we are waiting at a press conference with the ukranian president board of mirrors, lensky, and the german chancellor. all of charles that is supposed to be beginning within the hour presidents lensky has been speaking with the german chancellor. and
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prior to that he also paid a visit to the bellevue palace, which is the official residence of germany's head of state of frank balter stein meyer. and as soon as that press conference gets under, way, we will bring be bringing it to you live. and in the meantime, i have to double use political correspondent, thomas ferro in the studio with me for some analysis about all of this. and thomas, you are just speaking about russia and russia's reaction to the landscape, visit to berlin, and the kind of welcome that he has received. these assurances of germany's long term supports not just with hardware, with the heavy weaponry, but also financially for rebuilding the country which has been devastated by russia's war of aggression. and yet with in germany, there are voices who are against those who feel that ruining economic
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ties with russia is actually not in germany's interest. can you tell us a bit more about this debate within germany? first, a brief note on different kinds of help that germany has provided to ukraine on the one hand, political help we're seeing this now basically telling ukraine and the creating government. you are one of the most important guests, and that's why you're creating presidents. savanski is being welcomed with military on a 2nd military health. that's also something that gemini has increased in the last few months that it was not always easy. as we mentioned, it was controversial, but germany has signaled that is willing to provide military helping outside issue that i think is important to also explained is the fact that over a 1000000 people have come from ukraine since the war began and have settled here in, in germany and it is a challenge for germany and pajamas cities that municipalities. but it is something
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that many i would say most in germany actually view favorably that welcoming culture towards ukrainian refugees. since that will be done, i think that's always something important to stress. but yes, i'll touch briefly on that element that you've mentioned this other side of the story. because they do seem to be segments of germany's population that believe that if the wrong way to cut ties completely with the russian, that germany structurally be focusing on in some way working with russia. you see mostly those views from the extremes of the political spectrum from and from the far right from members of the alternative for germany at potty, which is in the german part of monday. but around 10 percent of the vote in the election in 2021 and they see themselves as the freedom party or the party that is really trying to the only part that presents a real a position to, to the german government. and they would want, in fact, germany to have some sort of closeness to dress understanding that that's
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a way that they believe is important for a future peace negotiations. you'll see that by the way, in some members of the left body here in germany, who also believe that it will be in germany's interest and not to cut ties completely with russia. but the majority of the drum and a population not feat support the beast best position when it comes to the german government. namely the support of the crate on the understanding that especially now it's important for germany to provide weapons to ukraine, to help, to reclaim, defend itself from an invasion that it did not call us because that's how it's viewed here in germany and in, in your restaurant. may view it differently, but the position that we see in germany and into your opinion is that this was an asian calls and created by russia that such, it was questioning some of the most important elements of post war european stability. that a such, it is an illegal invasion and that because it's an illegal invasion,
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it is necessary for germany and for the european union to support ukraine and it's legit to much defense. again, russia sees this differently, but this is in general terms, the way that it's viewed here in, in europe. and that's why germany, and by the way, not only germany but european union countries in general, i've been supportive of ukraine since that will begun to different degrees, but both politically and also economically admitted to early on. again, i would like to stress the issue of migrants because there's something else that way you can see that the door up has really helped ukraine, a new ukrainians that have had to leave the country because of russia's invasion will be playing w political correspondent, thomas sarah thomas, do stand by, we are still waiting for the scheduled press conference between you creating president. let them here is a lensky and the german chancellor. all up charles, as soon as that parent conference gets under way, we will be bringing you live coverage of it. but in the meantime, we'd like to recall that zalinski is last stopped before he arrived in berlin was
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in italy. it was also his 1st trip to rome and the vatican since the war with russia broke count. and while in the italian capital and once you've received assurances of aid and support, both from politicians as well as from the pope himself, a dozens of ukrainians living in italy waited for hours in the rain chanting and waving flags hoping to catch a glimpse of their president, on his 1st trip to rome, since russia's invasion, more than a year ago, which i mean, we are all still us today. we gather to you in the rain to express a lot of ready to, to all president where you will be also told him nothing and wish and peace. i'm only a lawyer, you called me and we as you turn in community in easily, without paper, we have without president wish in the past. and in this ton of war,
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he is doing a good job. who's the president of all of them. and then, you know, the crowd cheered as the motorcade went by on its way to key g. palace the seat of a tell you in government. their presidential and speech met was prime minister, georgia as only the 2 gave each other a warm embrace. before heading inside for a closed door meeting, which lasted more than an hour and a joint press conference after the talks, maloney re affirmed italy staunch support for ukraine's war effort with military and other aid approach as you gotta do it up. so i mean to be able to rise only if russia stops hostility and the attacks on civilians you know, we will. yeah. i'm a privy thought i'd be nobody know. so we want to reiterate or appeal to moscow, maybe up to stop the aggression and withdraw its troops from ukrainian territory. that's the reason we are in favor of a diplomatic solution of the conflict with the complete. maloney express support for president zelinski is 10 point piece plant,
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which calls for the withdrawal of russian troops. the restoration of ukraine internationally recognized borders and the stablish ment of a special tribunal to prosecute russian war crimes. zelinski thanked italy for its support. then it was on to the vatican where the ukrainian president had a private audience with pope frances. he presented the pontiff with a bullet proof vests that had been painted with an image of the madonna following their meeting, which lasted some 40 minutes. zalinski sent a tweet saying he asked the pope to also publicly back his peace plan with those. and since russia's invasion of ukraine last year, ukraine presents the last these leadership has been put to the test. he's emerge largely as a symbol of strength and resistance. and we now have a closer look at how this unlikely leader has navigated europe's 1st war and
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decades. one with the avenue going to email. that'd be nice. so you cranes, president below it in years of landscape estimate for look award time leaders who never expected to be one tend to get something to do. you have to. but russia's 2022 invasion shattered europe's post cold war order. and hopefully a marketing vienna verse. we have nazi germany's world war to defeat. so let's keep out. ukraine would prevail in today's struggle against aggression from a different neighbor leveled. always something new to the board on one side. we fought then to we fight now. so that no one ever again and slaves, other nations or destroys other countries. so in sure, great. you will set this on all those old evils that modern russia is bringing back will be defeated. just as nazi germany was defeated or us, we'd be the lensky rose to fame as a comedian, starting as a fictional president and the popular tv show your servant daughter miracle. welcome to berlin. i'm stock a 6 nodded short. it's a very, very strong signals. being able to, well kind of monitor and, you know,
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kind of comes into the john with them. it's been thousands of times that we've been on the phone in the last year in the hottest and k. and the number of times we met in kids in brussels. in power as an emulator, dean, this is so long as i can't believe. it's the 1st time we're meeting what's to i'm very happy about that. and bite of the terrible circumstances. young subside of brought us to get to the bottom of the war was to show under morrison is designed to be more of aggression. if you haven't gone from target for 144 days, heads up since then the ukrainians have been standing up against this brutal aggression of russia. good or we o you all respect. and these are practicing because he kept a heap issued guild for the sure conflict. venson we recognize your achievement before that and broke out this board has been affecting the citizens of ukraine 1st and foremost, more than 1000000 of them. women, children,
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and elderly people have phone protection here in germany, from the book on broadcasting us here in germany, citizens and mentioned standing in solidarity behind those people who have fled to until attacks and come to germany. this'll adapt, it's a has been ongoing and it has been strong in long 50, been siemens of buttons and up to on and off, yet seem to and those are, are close ties that will tie our 2 countries together. for decades. in the face of tara susan, we are moving in closer together on monday to well not just supporting ukraine and human to terry advice, but also politically financially and also from supplying but then i've said it often and i'm repeating it here. and today we will be supporting you for as long as it's going to be necessary him that's key gets worked since the start of the war. all biological supports to ukraine has been amounting to 17000000000. is this
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diesel? and we have set the course to continue this aid also in the years to come see front of you in military terms, books i'm equipment supplying, mod, done, effective weapons to help you defend yourselves. for example, to fly isaac. that pads is this, the ma 6 times mada who ahmed vehicles. the defense systems bind, howard serves the us and to view many other pieces of investments and we're not seizing ona supports. we just decided on a new military aid package with an overall value of 2700000000 euros come you train in on for says you will be delivered. left had one bottle times more mazda infantry fighting vehicles and more defense that used to distinguish iris. t, i'm pass out and i'm just click. it is absolutely clear that that was responsible
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have to be made accountable for what they've done. no country in the world can be allowed to attack another country. nobody can be allowed to give mind by the end to end up to plunder and who's on the top to take children away. and this is why we told one russia to be held accountable for it for you. most of the crimes that has committed do you have a lot in there? i'm very happy quite you to be flying over to often with you later on, where you will receive the charlemagne award at the diesel. who if not ukraine would have merited to be but stabbed with this prize. thank you very much for coming to the jungle of central name bonnet consul that i'm showing is a release to sonya susan is the chancellor for
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next tuesday? yeah, well i've had fish duncan to hi, this is all i would like to thank you very much. the d o louse assigned to him for supporting our nation for your health, for every life and ukraine that through safety. i would like to emphasize the thoughts a gemini as hell is so helpful to the protection of our people receives support from germany. we have people who defend our country. they defend their own lives, their very existence using a defense using equipment so that social life time continue on the financial help of time. and it is a quoted and as well do your cranium, nation is always going to be great to, to use it as soon as that so many will talk to them with the sounds. the salts can,
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we do have to be shown lee the soup, and you have given us the opportunity and you give all of us the opportunity to make the world a safer place. the more lead to save the input so many shows the best of both of us that will improve the level of stability in our international relations. you ladies and temperament at this very uh, whatever we want me to ask and we don't really. we want those when we say most, but it's most of the sadness they swear must be ended with a to us and said piece, i would territorial integrity. i would say just as important to us to, to determine integrity and safety of all nations with that. um yeah, this, yeah. we have already completed the task over there. so not necessarily say we won't be this rule to end this year. what can we use because most of the day and the big 3 over the aggressor,
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the new support pockets given to us by to many amounting to 2700000000. thoughts is very important. the very strong pillar of support. thank you. own a for that, that we're going to receive a defense systems, grenay. it's how it says what cases and the chancellor has already made since a type of equipment that is going to be delivered. this security package also increases a capacities to defend against the rest of the chrysler over 11000000 was spent by so many in order to foster our capacities to be as safe country. and so many also participates actively in the to the european piece facility. it shows the will of the german people to defend freedom. the amount of help we get from so many is the 2nd largest
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amount of help we get off to the united states. we have talked to the federal, the chancellor. we have discussed the situation in the ukraine at the front line, portable and come, birds continues to go on. we have talked about what we plan to do in order to implement a pace formula to bring back stability. and to call it up, let's say in international relations, we have also coordinated a position on the level of the g 7. and we also count on more existence of more assistance coming from the global community in order to stand up against the day. and so we're still exposed to still in germany for us. the sylvia 9. yes, yellows ice is a country that gives a lot of support to crane is
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a european countries. and i think we have the rights to be recognized as a european nation, amongst many other european nations. i would like to sign on to them and families every time and tax pay it every time and city every time and federal states for giving us support. thank you for supporting other people, the phone protection in germany, when they had to leave the country in the face of russian, the tax being marked in these woods of gratitude, the words i would like to convey to all of you flags for all the mothers, all the children you have safe level training. a dunk president. it is. thank you. i am president of thoughts on
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you. i just say by so many has provided to wait on a comprehensive dr. tyson promise sized to deliver weapons. we have said it's a very strong sign. what does not contain is the title to it's of wisdom production that is going to do mom of ukraine for quite some time to them? what do you expect gemini, to deliver utah scientists and or to night tornadoes or what's on the, do you expect shaminy would support which your a times of getting such a fight insights if 16 from the united states. and if i may, i'd like to ask you a 2nd question. is it correct? thoughts you plan to attack russian territory to get a better negotiating position recently? russia, on my question to the translate is the new package of weapons contains to provide
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the same weapons that you have already delivered to where are you waiting and ready to think about delivering also slight touches or uh, cruise myself. or do you think that you wouldn't do that so because rest of my to the ukraine, why did tech russia by now? but thank you for the question. so the as always another one, which is the festival. when we talk about probably 2 sites you find them concentrate on oh, i want this to me 1st i think where is that those places will we're going to talk about in the 2nd part of the discussion. we are in the process of setting up a coalition regarding funding to totes. i have visited a number of european capitals on the stage. the vase it serves the purpose of
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setting up. it's a coalition, a nice think. i'm also going to tools to germany, wait, and us to many to support us as far as this issue is concerned, it is very important for us to coordinate if it's on today. cisco felicia process is a very strong, much stronger as far as the space company could have. abilities are concerned, we'd like to overcome that. yep. and. and as far as i say, well, if i go, i'm going to go the officially never inviting a a pc. so thanks for the question. in fact, we've delivered many the pennants already. now get this all with regard to the plan contract offensive of ukraine. it's also about defending the country and the massive intent to make sure that rushes troops withdrawal. this is what it's all about. and so if you're in peace for you to cry, and we have already delivered
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a lot of defense weapons, very modern weapons for the patriots system. and we have it's iris and teens, which is also very effective in the width and they got for those of the time code to find ways for the systems. also like with the 10 to read that we've delivered. and this is what we will focus on and try many now i i thank you so much. so i have the questions to ukrainian president and through german chancellor of what was the middle of sondra, which we knew. so what are really strong, who is the see to koreans? copeland does not have a gauge to transfer you to a president savanski you of that. so if you need more time to go for a, she come to offenses those thoughts. great, know, learn some and smooth. what may, it's regarding a new pockets of deliveries. will that be enough to render ukraine fits for an
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offensive. okay. or what is going to happen to you? pain in future membership in nato. so is your money or i do to provide you credit with the concrete detailed rewards model you finally say uh for future membership. so sort of plan for, for the steps. uh, this is my 1st question and 2nd question uh, regarding the provide in your training with military assistance with the new package. are there any preconditions that ukraine, for example, tenure to keep the targets on the russian territory or without any frequent decent? thank you so much me. i will be short just shaky and clear, easy to have so a couple of visits more and then i think i'll have all the capabilities. feel like we do a lot of success with that and try to also, i guess introduce the decisive statement. it is of course to say that now we have
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a task ahead comes lifted switches to support ukraine in its defense, exact touch on this. nothing was uh and the lot the merest lensky headset in germany is the 2nd largest supporter of ukraine following the us. and we will keep on doing that. and the size of the package we talked about already shows this. because this is billions of euro's worth. what again, the 100 clear and the message to be the v ukraine. but at least also a visa be the russian aggress. uh we will support ukraine for as long as this is necessary. you're awesome. just if that means and we hope that this war will come to an end very soon with a vessel districts also to the support of the weapons that we're supplying. so you crane can defend this territory, but we reserve the right and for preparing our friends and partners for that too, that we will keep on supporting for a long term. and this is the important statement here that's been apart from that
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and see. and as we now focusing on pushing back what advice and kind of the russian attacks are then this assault about hands on practical questions in the 1st law. everything else is the deliberations from book arrest that the already in place as to why you're right onto the of the testing edwin's thoughts requested to instruct once and it's victoria land. um hello, i'm christina dunst. i'm start on the by the, i have a question please for both of you as a storage unit, john. so the president of the chairman and ukrainian relationship is deemed to be a bit rocky and 1st of all on how to transfer because you're probably to have a very close relationship with russia before. and you're always putting any weapons delivery to a very and intense schools you name. so up top is the relationship now or is
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how because the healthy again on after these talks pushed on, do you feel confidence again and also chance i haven't quite got your answer. success on the question of whether ukrainian force is kind of attacked russian territory. president, you said you will get wherever you get officially. that's what you said. does this mean attacking crimea? and chancellor, would you support this beloved lovering weapons? which with which would have this range and also president another question for you . in germany, there are people who feel it's difficult to let go of the relationship with russia and some refugees also who come to us say they're very sad about the relationships that ended tend to be a reconciliation with russia eventually.
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