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vision, townsend has come all it can it style is hoping to and seats very cheap type, a lot of will take place on the 28th of may close up is next on the dw, looking at how the war in ukraine has prompted many eastern europeans to destroy monuments, to the soviet union's victory in well bred gulf will have more, will use at the top of the hour and there's always dw dot com, pulled up d, w a good day, the loudest voice. my a, my ceiling is out. she's the face of a protest movement. she's there motivator. and she won't give up no matter what, no matter where she is. they took my brother hostage a few days ago just trying to sign in to see on the job. they won't be silent.
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starts june, 3rd, dw, the one by one, there being toppled. the soviet monuments of eastern europe. just over 100 years since the founding of the soviet union. for some, they symbolize the victory over fascism. for others, aggressive russian imperialism. the one we don't want to destroy the race it or change it, but preserve you provide them the hair, hear the name of person who committed genocide like this done in the stop. it's like having a money. and so the russian soldiers who writes embedded in bookshelves
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the gets quiet in downtown keys. but the piece is deceptive. in air read alarm could go off at any minute. and a deadly strike occurs. there's no electricity in running water for days on end. here on the banks of the deeper river, the people's friendship arch one symbolized friendship with russia. since april 2022. the space beneath it has stood empty. this is
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what the friendship memorial used to look like. but in april 2022, it was be headed. the you might think the people in key of have other worries right now, then what to do with the city's monuments. but in fact, this question is loaded with significance. many are keen to see all traces of rush have gone almost out of we know now what kind of friendship i see the destruction of ukrainian city and the killing of tens of thousands of innocent citizens on this job to do this job. give peace is what of a may i ask who i'm to the but not everyone wants to see soviet monuments torn down. people like them. you're
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not getting on an onyx co venture. he was there when the statues were toppled and filmed and being demolished. tell me retros to stay at home the anybody yet it would have been too old for to watch. but quite cool, especially given how brucely the money which was demolished. and we'll do 12 of unfortunately one meter studies, an aerospace engineering. and there's an instagram on her account, child of socialism, she posts soviet postcards, sixty's, architecture, and increasingly often the demolition of monuments including many of the commemorate the soviet army and world war 2, the
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annual and audits or store. i didn't like the fact that everything a soviet is automatically associated with russian on the me, on the scales with the world now. so to see if to luggage book, find that it's hard to see these monuments being tuned down when there was a dedicated to ukrainians, relatives outfit or citizens right. at those have. so with 0 monuments to with ukrainian names on the tax and look at the village by piece. and if i need the mirror, it takes us on a tour of cubes, threatened to soviet heritage, the she's not pro russian. she hates. put them as much as the next person here, but she wants these testaments to the past to be preserved. standpoint that attracts a lot of hate online, the, this monument display to, to be the next to go. so this is a monument, and nikolai shows
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a red army commander who says in ukraine during the russian civil war. so just to go over the revised no, this is you know, so i, so you haven't planning to tear it down for a long time. someone scroll down, it's tammy down. i'm and execution and often frontier and y'all collage. what's the deal with that? you're supposed to find it, but it's an amazing equestrian that try this to be it's done. is that the junction between 2 streets and dominates the square across the new non. so it's beautiful, which is great. but now we're just going to be left with another empty pedestal. he's a new shores info. so for some in a government office and ukraine is in charge of this process of the soviet position. the ukranian institute of national rememberance is housed and the former headquarters of the soviet secret
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police. its job is to banish the evil spirits of the soviet empire. the director, antoine double, which once soviet monuments to be carefully documented before that removed from the streets the shores monument, he says, is a good example of one that needs to go to my mind most can if someone would send me stuff right on the center of kids that give you the monument to nikolai shaw as basically the commander of the city when the communists to power in the early 20th century is a whole the communist saw thousands of people without trials and missed. they looted and rob, just put it out and we erect a monument to shows that are move on. there's no doubt it has artistic value, but it's not right that such monuments exist upon music. michael does be changed. best of all, a sudden it's like having a monument to the russian soldiers who raped and killed them. put chelsea's cam. so nothing. it's not different of of all way. they want you to tell somebody started
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the novel, which was back in his office for the 1st time in months since the beginning of the war he's been on the front serving is a drone pilot. this is lieutenant allowed him to take leave. so he could give this interview his co workers are happy to see him back unharmed. taking down monuments fighting russia on the front for double which these are 2 sides of the same site. the, the main task of this institute is to help shape ukraine's national identity and patriarch videos. for example, it promotes the remembrance of the more the great fan and engineered by stolen millions of ukrainian starve to death. something that we've never talked about for decades. the one i mean you're one of the capacitive,
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i'll see this. so the junior and rewrote is the raised really defined whole chapters of history. for us, those me should not only destroyed people, property also destroyed the memory of the event was for the moment and it was a deliberate tweet. hotel, a terry and undermining of the collective memory. when they come up with an amber supply minute to get nobody to something that must be restored. but that's the main task of our institutional lesson as a whole bunch of questions which soviet monuments can stay at which can the motherland monument is one of the key. it's most recognizable landmarks. it won't be torn down. what about the soviet emblem on the shield? it's a symbol that's forbidden and ukraine. germany too is home to huge soviet monuments such as the soviet war memorial in the tier
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gotten part in the former west berlin. many ukrainian activists say that germany to needs to the soviet tice, modern russia, in general, to use this with to you right now as a to continue with the russian frame. this is the showing of aggression and a flower which should not be as a content as an immortal. it's not the memorial is just like the week to replace that shows. one they recounted you, we can come again, and that's why the ukrainian activist collective feature made this set higher video the message stop soviet and install just getting rid of the monuments news item of the 2 tanks in front of the soviet more
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memorial have been removed their disappearance is being investigated by city authorities. historians like york movie see things a bit differently. things in sort of of things are the way they are of history happened. oslyn, and we don't want to destroy erase it or change it to preserve it in nuns, on the as for what monuments represent decimal and the monument and always represent something that makes a statement. what's, are we trying to contextualize, that ex told is even if it's a statement we know condemned to it and we tried to remove its power with interchange all of these. it also had a cuff as a name, and your movie is the director of the museum berlin calls forced. this is where the german surrender was signed on the night of may, 9th, 1945. commemorating the red army as part of movies, job one. that is, become increasingly difficult until
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recently, it was called the german russian museum, cause was when putting invaded ukraine movie raised the ukrainian flag and removed the word russian from the museum's name. but it still has a soviet tanks and whether he thinks the memorial into god should remain que gotten pun. so the tear garden tanks are a design component of the memorials. a, it's a dilemma ration of the data within, within towards we made a commitment to, if i pushed on, i can get on with it. and the idea behind it is that war groups are inviolable for all the turn it is. it's something i agree with. the unfinished soviet forces were stationed at the memorial interior garden until 1990 and finally
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completely withdrew from eastern germany in 1994. this was one of the terms of the 2 plus for treating the international agreement, signed by the soviet union that allowed the reunification of germany as part of the agreement, germany pledge to assume maintenance and repair responsibility for all soviet warm memorials in the country. memorials that often loom large, such as the one in to your garden. something some see is a symbol of russian imperialism. so it's actually very interesting because in this budget line, could you receive that this soldier is like owning this land to? yeah, the, it's for, uh right now he slammed ca. it's not about the people, it's about the land itself. we see that even that time. so between an already was under estimate the life itself. it's not about the uh, so the price and the life about that they have safe and not the lives. it's about the father. there were 2 sides to the soviet army.
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its soldiers, not only russians, but also millions of ukrainians and others as well. help defeat hitler and the nazis and liberated oceans in the process, though, the red army suffered by far the highest casualties of all the allied forces. but the soviets, also committed atrocities as they advanced, and went on to oppress half of europe for decades. in the mornings to the red army, to have these 2 sides now rushes war of aggression and the killings of innocent ukrainians have brought this evil side to the for the t 34 tank
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monuments can be found across the eastern europe in poland. there being dismantled one after the other. the one that the $1000000000.00 cost was busy and it's still there, despite its negative associations. much deductible. and just as you stand in front of it and it's a powerful piece of equipment august, it just uses gail is formidable double only regardless of the cannon. and one of them, and basically it was intel on these tanks was simply rolled over people mentioned and probably by it's it's might as terrifying as nevada, but it's an expression of the power isn't in my thoughts, took off. so on the one hand to void you make it expresses the power of the red army because most which helps defeat fascist subscriber them. but in today's poland, it's seen primarily as a russian tank with russian is acquainted with soviet it's moscow which puts in the most no $1.00 and $1.00 sitting on top of the minus reconnaissance design. how
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would it be that we have a symbol of our lives? this insides, but no symbol of the ukrainians who died or were deported during the 2nd world war fire. there's nowhere for us to go on may 8th and say much this is for us is our for our people or so sort of annoyed. so what else there should be alternatives in places where you can go to show humility from where you can commemorating with contemplating. i'd feel this pain because this isn't the remembrance of celebration, but one a suffering death file. so long as it's on the left. what do we want to remember and what do we want to forget? these are questions that many ukrainians ask themselves when contemplating their history, the back in cubes. it's not just need more to memorials being torn down. but anything
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that serves as a reminder of russian instagram or, and these are sitting on, shows us an example in the train station, often used as a bomb shelter. where many don't want to see russians depicted here as heroes. just beyond this is the best of the russian kind of push can go to, i mean, do you little this was a girl came in to laugh and let me know. so you get them the level of distrust. plus they've cut it down because they might trigger and, and get people who's cool by. so when you click on people kind of pushing and change smell. so these products have been voted activities to lead me to find the item, maybe to protect them. it was a should say it was, but it also said that people don't have to see them related as well. yeah, i think the private and i don't think this is how i should be treated as a believe me. i was just thinking it wasn't a personal,
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it was beautiful for them, of course of the congress and nash these boxes and destroy them. they have to be taken to a new c out 2 or the parks and given context, label to an explanation of what it is, how to and why it's yeah, i'm and thought of what they should. why do we have so many pushkin's and noticed that or bunches, or 2 months, months of, on both shakespeare, almost why push them or not? because pushing is the most important part of the russian empire, and you'll always find pushing on the main square in a while and taught us to shift to income or less. yeah. okay. income from not tucked away for squares further. and pie is not only a political construct to put eviction and play is something real and visible is why i think it and it's environment of monuments as pillars up the russian empire. the
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that's how they're seen by many in the baltic states. in riga, lafayette, in 80 meters, soviet era obelisk was taken down. a red army monument in the lithuanian capital vilnius was also dismantled. as was a tank monument in nava estonia. all 3 of these former soviet states are now in the e u. they take a tough approach to monuments from this era. only grades and their monuments may remain the moscow on may 9th, 2020, to 2 and a half months after the invasion of ukraine. put later, reese on a world war 2 monument, as he does every year and is message russia undermine? leadership is the legitimate successor to the victorian soviet union. the in
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ukraine's russian occupied territories. there were celebrations, marking victory day on may, 9th, in mario, poland, at fair, so which has since been liberated the pollutants army following in the footsteps of its forefathers who fought the northeast. as liberators of the allegedly oppressed russian minority a narrative proudly shelven and russian television seaboard yeah. when that couldn't yet, today we finally get to where the st. george's ribbon, again, you, we, wherever it was applied is got them on the and remember our armies who really needs you, which will never be forgotten. and you've got that use that board, you know, billing is a way the world war 2 memorials in germany and also meeting places for pete and supporters like the soviet memorial and the lens trip to where parents
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the members of the crating activist collected teacher don't like coming here unfortunately, somehow i came to this place and i didn't know buttons his day was in, crow, rush, and pro put in what for k through the berlin. they had to rush and flags. people were extremely loud and it was on the same way when the old world was shocked. what's happened in boucher meet folded so wrong and so it's appropriate that it felt like celebration of killing a few craniums if there will be no warning minutes, it will be harder or to work with this me. so select to claim this identity over and over again. like you mentioned, there are no this great victory monuments, then they don't have a place to go. but isn't it important to preserve such
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places where soviet imperial power is displayed to understand how its propaganda worked and still works today? the, the show here, the name of the person who committed genocide like this telling fiscal music genocide because nothing just raised the culture but killed nor most amount of people. i cannot imagine us to have for example, in ukraine. some monuments was 6 or name, or we mentioned it anywhere else in the world. like everyone accuses these steps are shipped, they work with the memory. and here we see, like one of the main dictators of the 20th century, just having them golden letters origin,
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his quotations in buried in the inscription is even regularly maintained. why they, in germany, we have the law of monument protection, which means we preserve all kinds of things, including these monument lines. that's one point because august the 2nd at least as a historian, i say, yes, yeah, this has historical significance and you preserve it as it is back in keith at the ukranian institute of national, remember it's a stolen quote in gold letters, director, uncontrollable which wouldn't stand for that here, but he understands that germany has its own deal with history, a portion of my of what it stands still, there should definitely be a clock next to a head in russian with german ending listening with
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a mental putting the monument in context. i mean, why is it the middle in office? what does the inscription mean? it's a dozen who is joseph stolen, which says it's dangerous because you'll only one step away from normalizing style and show you how come and thought of states. and if kids vote by the old people who don't know anything about history, they might think, look, he's been quoted here in the center of the land though he must be an okay guy. hope i'm in the every. what's the thought center, but the southern money funding aflac given context for some monuments that could be a solution. but for something like the friendship arch and key if it wouldn't be enough. in this case, another solution was found a crack in the arch that one symbolized friendship with russia, the work of art, but also a political statement artist, a lot he meant causing yet so at this crack in 2018 against the backdrop of calls
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for the release of ukrainian kremlin critics held in russian prisons. now with the war, his work has become a pointed symbol, the. there was a brand new maya black explorer and this bush, not those but the arch, this huge, monumental event symbolized but was an artificial friendship. and of course, it was all propaganda with the q do monthly possible. the friendship was meaningless to people who believe in the freedom and independence of the ukrainian states colon. you should attempt it. it was like a youth that you would put on the next of horses or oxen governments in uh, going they leave your husband to see the show. what the motor christmas. ha. i think that's it. as 5, a lot of new cars in itself, it's on the crack on the object friendship between peoples. and what is one of the strongest artistic statements about just boston this of this friendship, and that'll be destroyed. friendship between russians, ukrainians,
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we move on to to i'm just not sure it goes far enough or younger from that as often . so it's wonderful as to how it stays as such because almost desktop across a substitute. just got this gang. i mean, at the, from an aesthetic standpoint, i think the crack is just awful. you probably just got a car and such a beautiful metal arch. and then this picture on its way is to me it's such an ugly addition to what i have now cause, but his face has been tearing down the okay. if it saves it, then it will have to stay for later. and we will, takes us to the key of suburb of hunting were last year. russian missiles hit residential buildings. the shelley elect devastation in its wake with armando collateral damage, the russian army,
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supposedly the great protector of the soviet legacy, destroyed a soviet monument. just like it would, anything else here? the terrible, but you didn't rise in the hot on you. this is you defended us from the gym and occupies the new, occupies came and they destroyed as mostly or among the fallen. many ukrainian names of the soviet soldiers who defeated fascism were by no means all the russians . what type of them was the boy simply which is beautiful. the problem is that christian has hijacked the image of the soviet soldier. i'd say to you, if you want to support is it that this will probably use this glorification for propaganda against us. so crane in and for us to solve. so could i use? so i'm not coming for which has found we're letting him know that you want me,
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you know, we're giving him the ability to these images. um, when actually they were made for us, it was for the right decision when the mentor uses 3rd is done us is for who i think we should be using the money and the strength and the spirit of resistance among ukrainians. who so what's most small, what else again says we're flushing occupying forces just as the money man, because of this. but instead we're tearing down these monuments small assume the dissociate monuments, 13 extra complete linked to the question of identity. for some, there are monuments of oppression, expressions of rushes claim to power. for others, they are testaments to the past. works of art, we're holding onto the ultimately there's
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a broad consensus that they shouldn't be destroyed, that they should be preserved. perhaps none of the original sites, but at least the museums assignment witnesses to the soviet empire of its greatness. and it's a treatments. and it's atrocities the, enjoying the views and come to take a look at this. i'll tell you the highlights. every week inbox, subscribe. now is increasing every year. many gone up watching on black silver fairies, holiday destination drowning and plastic white. we might take
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