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to be within reason what do you see? it really is possible to reverse the researchers and scientists all over the world. for a no race against time. they are peers and rivals with one daring goals to help smart nature. the more likes watching it. on youtube dw documentary, the, the voters in turkey went to the ballad box on sunday in a presidential election that has much of the world watching many worried. and so i'm now wishing that it were all over, but it's not in 2 weeks. turkey will hold its 1st ever run off presidential election, pitting incumbent richard. tire of air to one against is the strongest arrival,
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come all killed each. the role of the winner will have a key voice at nato in russia and ukraine from the mid east to northern africa, in capitols from brussels to washington. nothing less here than war and peace. i'm for golf and berlin. this is the day the touch democracy is providing to be amazing. the resilience gets to the cold. yeah, it was obvious from the start with that this was going to go to the 2nd round, voters had a choice between genuine political alternatives. i should have it to me that was too much for me to rise ation with both sides fighting. i'm not happy until i worry about turkey's being so long. we'll see what happens when we boat. again, in 2 weeks, people have been given more time to think of the additional also coming up
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a bill of risky and liter, alexander lucas shank. of just how sick it is the man who calls himself europe's last dictator. but we don't know, but the country's opposition, it's gearing up for possible change. we know that the cushion p 0. so um, but uh, as in every book date of ship. uh, nobody knows what, what is going on really well to our viewers watching on tv as in the united states and to all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day with the 2 man who now have 2 weeks to wind over most of the voters in turkey on may, 28th for the 1st time in his history. turkey will hold a run off presidential election incumbent president richard sigh of erewhon and his strongest challenger. come all clinched. the roller voters gave both of these candidates the most supported in yesterday's national election, but neither one majority tricky, skyrocketing inflation. it's plummeting. lira and
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a nation's on certain days they will have to in your 2 more weeks, will the result bring resolution? well, that depends who you are and where you are. the winning candidates in world anatolia may look different in downtown if temple, europe's 1st choice may be russia's last option. we have more now with this report as they came expecting of victory speech. but unlike his previous presidential elections, project tie up arrow on couldn't claim the 1st round when for his waiting supporters . before all the ballots were even counted, turkeys incumbent president accepted. he made face of ronald. don't do that. if the nation has made its choice in favor of the 2nd round of the election, and that is also welcome was understood that it was his main rival can can it startled me also said he was ready for another vote. the let to
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me it's all a nation said 2nd round, we gladly accepted. we will absolutely witness election in the 2nd round, everyone will see that with a run of now confirmed voters must wait another 2 weeks to know who will take power . yeah, change it. so on the old countries been struggling lately, you know, it's up to a change in government would shake it for them. that's why both candidates are problematic for me to. that's why i can't say i voted with conviction that i could certainly do sort of cold job. it was obvious from the start with that this was going to go to the 2nd round and now that that's happening now, i'm surprised. we just have to wait till i'm upset. this shouldn't have been the result. even with a slight lead, the 1st round has been one of the top is test for air to on. but the run of is
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likely to be an uphill battle for college dotala. would you want to me now is 7 sylvan cook months. a researcher at the stucco university institute for turkish studies and head of the symbol based think tank is stand poll institute. it's good to have you with this. let's just talk about the election that that just took place yesterday. would you say that this volume large was a free and fair election with no serious irregularities? so uh yes, actually uh, there was no serious uh, irregularities yesterday selection, but uh we can say that it's the feel fair elections because turkey is now categorized as a competitive alternative. you can reach him where elections are health, they go to leap up the competition and most political parties are not phase. so people made before the elections. we can see that the government has use the state
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resources for the political campaigns and also independent use issue. but these are comfortable by the government, the officials and of just last year election rules are changed to the um, actually for the, for the favor of the government. so we can see that fits was not a paid election. i would ask you if you can confirm the if the district that i heard today, that during the official campaign time, the president entered a wide and his party received 32 hours of free air time on public state television, the opposition parties, all of them together received 32 minutes of it free air time. is that true? exactly. and also the government has use it is the only nation in, not only for the, for the official media, but also the pro government media. so they use this part of what we're very effectively actually and how do you explain the fact that president elder one was
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able to defy the predictions and the polls. i mean this was supposed to be the oppositions vote to lose yesterday. as it's shelly depends on many polls. it was on expected to see that miss the could wish that all the will be in the 1st in the 1st round so that this was unexpected results. but he has a 3 main strategy. first of all, he tried to manage the loyalty. so he into the both the lawyers and punished at least noise and he pushed his base to add on himself. and secondly, he managed the perception actually venue or to the pro government channels, media outlets. you can see that as well on a try to a shows that he is the only man who can issue this tablet to input comfortably. and especially in the old k keeps those at it by the by using the pro government's
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media. she's as creative and english, that's e 10, only the insured a baby for a building in this audio so that he managed this well. and also he used the identity politics to boost his bass, which it shouldn't, he had had performed even better. shouldn't he have won the election can considering his grip on media in turkey? um yes, but up president's ad one also suffers from the economy crisis at 1st the full eh, it has created and disappointments and long peace support those. but also he has challenged by the unified o position. that's why we have this result in moving forward the next 2 weeks of what do you foresee happening in this run off a campaign for, for both of these candidates as 1st of all, even though president ad dollars party,
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the atp has lose some support. there's a, he's a nation, he's a people's lives as close. and so the date that he's published in the parliamentary, that's why, by using this they will more close to get the 2nd round. and there is a, towards a candidate to me such as seen on the, on he gets unexpectedly 5 percent void. and so he will be, he's support to, one of this candidate will be also a decisive, fucked hood, but mystical shuttle this job by losing goals. so the parliamentary majority between difficult in the controls and that is the category to visited for mr. under collection rule. if he becomes the new president of turkey, he will still have to deal with a parliament that will have an estimate to majority v a k party of mister arrow one, right? yes, this was exactly a challenging issue for missed the glitch that all those left. but if they get the presidential executive followers with the executive positives,
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they can also ensure the, the forms that they provided for the society. so this will be not so much challenging for them to get the executive father. ok, but we will be watching closely what happens for the next 2 weeks in turkey and turkey researcher, setting 7 course much. we appreciate your time and your insights tonight. thank you . i think it went out to ukrainian presidents, the lead skis, whirlwind whistle, stop tour of european capitals and the promises that he picked up along the way in london. britain's prime minister receives food at confirm today, plans to send ukraine attack drones and hundreds of additional missiles noticeably not on that list. fighter jets. it was a flying visit by the ukranian president. after a weekend of meetings with you or p and leaders. loved to me is
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a landscape touch down in britain to meet prime minister wishes to knock you welcome to landscape to his country residence. well thought man, great to welcome you by giving you weather ukrainian leda was thankful to breton. you are but also acknowledged the difficulties that lie ahead for ukraine. i think you especially, especially you and the, your government for supporting us really at this moment, elijah said at the moment, soft challenge is the moment for us, for our society and our people. especially for our soldiers moment this tough, difficult, but anyway, but we need success. and now i'm happy that's in this way. we are in way of preparing or important comprehensive steps. so landscape is king to build up what
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he calls objects coalition to, to help ukraine defendants, aspects the u. k. has said that it will not be providing spiked objects to ukraine. but re, she's to not cut a direct message that the rest as president putin. but i think it's important for the criminal tools that we're not going away right? we all have, for the long time we remain steadfast in wanting to defend you credit and not just now to reclaim its rightful territory. but also to ensure that ukraine has the means to defend itself into the future as well as the lensky left with the promise, some re, she's to not to train ukrainian pilots. but without the commitment to deliver planes to get helpful. it was another important trip to the ukranian president whose team to keep ups a part of the profile of the ongoing wall in ukraine. and before
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traveling to britain presidential ends, he made a stop right here in berlin. his 1st visit to germany since the russian invasion of ukraine began early last year. after their talks today in german transfer, all of sholtes repeated is countries flags to support ukraine for as long as necessary. and they were actions connected to those words. yesterday, germany announced the new package of military aid worth more than 2700000 euro. all of that for you cranky. why should it the intense sports? and i would have to look for more of this i want to bring in and now here at the big table, raphael, both songs from the german institute of international and security affairs. good to see here. good to have you in person for a change. what do you make of this whirlwind tour for president zelinski but particularly um, but the promises and the that he picked up here in germany or i think there are 2 major objectives here in the one is of course still getting more military 8 on the table while it's offensive might start any moment or is already underway,
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we don't really know. um, and he said as repeatedly that there are, of course many things coming in. but there is a few elements, particularly the 5, the chance that are still something under negotiation on. so i think that's one of the major objectives and the other, of course, is the upcoming summit of the next major summit and billions. and he's been obviously beating the drum for a major decision and for there to be made. while for example, shows again said, well, this is the old decision in 2008, and we're in the process. no clear signal here. i think that's the other agenda. do you think the, the, i guess the foundation is being laid now for an announcement, a fighter jets one day sooner rather than later. but unfortunately, i can't really give you an insight behind the scenes, but it sounds like that it's coming close. i mean, we've also heard actually more crow on top saying now they are going to start training pilots. yeah. without making commitment. exactly which planes and they're
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going to replace the limit. but previously there was a visit to the netherlands already some weeks ago where a metal legs were considering f 16. so i think it's probably just a matter of time. however, even if this decision is made, it will take a few months. yeah. um, so for the next uh, offensive its not really on the table uh when i bring this back to germany. but if i understand correctly, um with this announcement that was made yesterday, germany now leads all european countries when it comes to a military aid given to ukraine, their number 2. so just following the united states, now that's quite a metamorphosis that we have seen when you compare germany today to where it was in february, march of last year. i mean, that's the line of the german government that, you know, we took our time, but we made this because we needed the coordination with our allies. and now that we're on track, we are reliable. we're really deliver it. maybe remember that pair period when you
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know germany was really criticized for not to deciding so on the tanks. and then they decided that the other governments would be really pushing germany events. so well we kind of, we deliver. so this is the line from shows to say when we're saying we're doing and we're doing it. however, of course, there was also this kind of other perspective saying that, well, it is indeed now the largest package from, from europe. germany is also the largest economy in europe. mm hm. and compared to the gps, still poland and some of the politics are doing more. so that's kind of the roads and stuff that i've talked about. how central would you say that germany has become in securing european backing for ukraine as well? it is still the biggest and economically most powerful state in europe. and yes, i mean, it is obviously central in the sense of this long term perspective. and not only but apparently, but also for the long term questions of you are large meant for reconstruction, for, of course, also made as you're creating the refugees that are housed here. so on all those problems, of course, germany is absolutely essential. and particularly,
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as i said before, with a large, with their few of a champions other than poland for really want to make this happen. yeah. champions . and i'm wondering what happens as the united states gets closer to the election next year. and you know, we're already hearing from donald trump, for example. we've heard from ronda saying just possible candidates, but they would, it would not do and it doesn't sound good for ukraine. is that going to bolster germany's role as being big, basically the clearinghouse here for aid? while we're not happy about that, of course, then it is a little bit early to really say what's, you know, rhetoric and reality in the way of selections. but yes, absolutely. i mean, we're all aware that we kind of rely all the time on the west and that we should step up our efforts and be really the long term guarantors um and germany is doing more. however, at the same time, we also know germany is not ready yet on the whole front. so for example, when we're talking about security guarantees before potential natal accession,
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who's going to do it? i mean, there was still obviously necessary participation of prints in the us and fronds and with a german is going to be an actor to make the security guarantee. well, we'll see. and when i look at where the german government stands in terms of its commitment to helping ukraine and compare that to what the polls tell us to determine public things. these 2 things don't reflect each other, do they? well, i mean, it always depends on how you phrase the question. and i mean, what i've seen is that there hasn't been a fundamental transformation yet on the whole of german public opinion. i am however, also the real vocal process has subsided and i think there was an acceptance at least acceptance for, let's say, for those deliveries. um, but we also see that germany, definitely a public opinion and also in various parties is not ready to for the next step with fight to planes or even more offensive weapons. so in that sense, the, the, the case to a piece that are with this christmas files and new drones and so on,
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so forth. so i think germany tries to play the solid role, the long term role and the pay such a role. yeah, i think that some tories will be glad to hear you say that about the u. k. tonight, i feel both along with the german institute of international and security affairs, this goes on. as always, we appreciate your time, your insights. thank you for no one lives forever. not even authoritarian rulers who have a tight grip on power. now this is a fact that apparently has acute relevance for opposition forces from bella. ruth exile the opposition leaders for atlanta. he had no sky. yes. says that her country should prepare for political change. her words come amid growing speculation over the health of bill of lucy and leader, alexander lucas. shank. he's been noticeably absent from a series of public events over the past 6 days. he was last seen in moscow on may, the 9th for the celebrations of the soviet victory over nazi germany and the
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kremlin house confirmed lucre cinco is under the weather. they say he just needs rest though of course, there's no way to verify the claim. here is opposition leader to have no sky of speaking earlier today to re actual the information about the she's the state of health. but i think that said, she's very seldom dozens of people, so i shall long periods of time in public. so now the discussion of the plan, you know what to do if something happens to him because it will be chaos in the regime. and it will be a point where we can start more of the size of the sections aside builders. all right, i'm going to bring it in now. honda because she is a journalist from bell, a roof and a non resident fellow at the atlanta council is good to have you on the program. let me pick your brain and pick out your sources. what are you hearing about the
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health of alexander lucas, jacob, or so there is not so much information, but actually today for the 1st time, the time in 6 days, le cushion copier can public. so he visited this central commons of the air force uh in the lowest and he still looked week. he had a really horse and breathy voice, and he had the bundle dish on his hands. she spencer, this come on around one hours and he come back to probably presumably his residence . so it's being a if please, the 6th day. so when she does not appear in public, and we know that the from several sources that on saturday, he allegedly visited a hospital and then he spend the rooms 2 hours and then his mother came to the back . so there are many speculations about his health and as you imagine is such a dictatorship as the literacy is. he has the state of health is
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a state secrecy. yeah, i mean, and we're looking, we're just looking at those pictures from it today. we see the bandage on his head, but you're right, i mean we're, we're just guessing we, we try to diagnose of what his condition is. if lucas think of, if he is unable to continue in office and talk to me about the, the, the path to succession. is there an obvious successor, or is the state basically an extension of lucas think up? it is in the way indeed an extension of local shame. however, the constitution of photos that was changed to last year during the sham referendum propose this will 1st 2 scenarios. if you guys, if you process a weight of them the had, the chairperson of the national council is going to be and he's going to be in charge. the turnover if uh, he's killed. if something volumes that happens to them, the security council is going to be in charge of them. the controller is going to,
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he's going to preside over the council. but it's very interesting because because she is the head of this offer house of a chamber of empowerment. and she doesn't really has a, she doesn't really has power over the government, which might create a legal crisis in bellows. and it might be a vacuum of power, a vacuum, his power and who would feel that would that be something that um, split long ago to ya know the sky you could come, could she come out of exile and try to feel that or where do we see vladimir putin try to rush you in and take what he already considers to be his of course, anything can happen for the democratic forces. it's not very crucial to start negotiations to appeal to those people inside the circle inside the system, saying that the done to come most of the democratic forces are ready to take power . and that the re small sort of this power struggles inside the system. and so one, but the russia is looking as well. russia is now the cur, but the force must go,
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has a lot of control over the government over the power vertical and border was introduced crucial. also for the western world, not to the world. what's going to happen in bella was very soon and also have a close eye because russia will definitely will try to influence the situation and will try to a point or help a point, the next leader. but the force, i think, in any case, in any scenario, legally, there must be new elections in bo. so this is where i think all the sort of power struggles will begin. but are you confident that we would see new elections? what they so the choice, what is going to happen? um instead i think also we must not ignore development since society. of course, if russia will try to impose influence to a point somebody uh who the border since the site here does not accept, then there might be some reaction, some response. then of course, the lease will also try to gain some power and they that they were to try to
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organize some competition and that will be a lot of rivalry. and of course the wisdom community is looking as well. so we cannot to sort of thing to think about the, you know, it will just happen as moscow would say, because they are not as powerful, i think as to be all attempts to believe i've got 20 seconds. let me ask you a 100 a m. if look, is shenika, if you were to die, for example, that the chances of rush are actually moving in. no, no, you know, mission creep actually moving in, in an annex in belarus. yes or no. is going to be verified. the rest of the does not have enough for support that are sources, but of course we need to release a closer look closely at what's happening there kind of back over. we appreciate your time, you're reporting excellent analysis as well. thank you. thank you. as well, the day is almost done, the conversation continues online. you'll find this on twitter, either a dw news,
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this is dw news lie, but from berlin. tonight turkey's presidential election, it's headed for a run on sundays election produced nuclear winter, setting the stage for a 2 week babbled between the incumbent. president richard tell you are the one and the opposition candidates come off the ledge to vote us.

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