is on our website at the www dot com, the the c i a is casting a wide and rather public net on the internet hoping to recruit russian spies get in touch video aimed at russian citizens with state secrets. russians who loved their country, but not where it's headed. a president by the way, approach and the invasion of ukraine. they're never mentioned. you could call it the push button in the room, a fact reinforced daily by russian air strikes and a war that mosse scales made in power, still refused to call by ne, i brit golf berlin. this is the day. the 3rd, the russian armed forces carried out a concentrated the spring with high precision, with long range errands,

based against location of ukrainian armed forces. the april set aside of desperation given how bad the russian thing on the front lines we are returning home with new defense packages, even ballistic missile is the most difficult to intersect on now being routinely accepted by ukraine. thanks to those western weapon system, more ammunition, stronger weapons for the front. more protection for up people, more political support. also coming up hotline in the cold war, the crim within the white house were once connected by phone direct dialing to prevent more tonight. the question for beijing in washington, who are you going to call? and so there is number of areas where we believe it will benefit the both of our countries to continue to communicate in our intention has always been to maintain lines of communication with the p r c. a to our viewers watching on p.

b. as in the united states and to all of you around the world, welcome, we begin the day with russian air strikes and russian secrets. it is no secret that ma scale has no intention of changing course in its invasion of ukraine. overnight, russian forces watched airstrikes on keep that ukrainian officials today described as exceptionally intense. they had the keeps military administration, says the russian attack used drones, cruise missiles and probably ballistic missiles, ukraine's chief military commander. so the defense systems were able to destroy all of the russian missiles within keeps air space. debris fell across several of the capitals districts causing a fire. in one non residential building. recent days have seen a flurry of russian air strikes as well months before russia began its invasion of ukraine. the us went public with intelligence that suggested the kremlin, despite its denials, was planning to start a war well in february of last year. that intelligence proved to be spot on. it is

impossible to measure the value of intelligence, but ask any general from berlin to london to washington, and they will tell you it's better to have too much entail than not enough. well, apparently the c, i a thinks there has never been a better time to recruit spies in russia, russian spots. the us intelligence agency is using social media and the dark net to extend an invitation to russian citizens who may have access to state secrets to get in touch. the invitation comes in the form of a video that speaks to russians who loved their country, but not where it is going. take a look at my yet, i see that this example just my yet to see you every see what you're seeing. generally speaking with them read this to me. look at that. yeah. my using the

with this attempt to recruit russians to be spies. it's certainly not classified information. in fact, the kremlin says it is aware of the c i a video government spokesman, dimitri pest golf says that russian security forces are monitoring the information space in the face of continued western activity years ago. and i don't know, i haven't seen it, but i am convinced of the special services are also monitoring the space and the necessary way. photos are given that to your and we all know have, let's see i a, and the western intelligence services on not reducing their activity on the territory of our country,

but you have to understand that you need to do next. alright, i want to bring in now dmitri, up here to that, she's a cyber policy and security expert. he's been especially advisor to the pedagogy now advisors, department of homeland security demetrius. good to have you on the program. let me ask you, why do you think the c, i a considers the here and now to be an unprecedented time and opportunity to reach out to russians who may have state secrets to share? well, we might very well be living in the golden age of recruitment of russian sources right now. and both the c i and frankly, the of the i have been pretty aggressive in their campaigns. this is not the 1st video, the us government has put out, or the russian officials to contact us government to become a source for us intelligence community. and they're indicating this is working. you've had hundreds of thousands, potentially as many as a 1000000 people have left russia. a lot of people that are very dissatisfied with where the country is going with this war. so they are right for targeting,

being targeted by the us intelligence community. so let me ask you to put on your, your cyber security expert, have here the c. i a says that the perspective spies, they can trust the doc. net a tour browser to get in touch with the c. i know, is it really possible for russians to communicate with the central intelligence agency? i'm by using something like, i guess, uh, double 07, phone number. well, the top browser is actually widely used by a number of people around the world dissidence as, as well as others that want to focus on privacy. so it's a way to both brows anonymously, to websites, to communicate with people anonymously. it's fully encrypted. it's been used for about 20 years, so it's very well understood and unless technology so it's quite secure if you follow the instructions on how to use it appropriately. as it were, you struck dimitry by what was not said um in this video,

they didn't say they didn't mention the words flat improvement once and they did not mention the war in ukraine. is there a reason for this noticeable absence or recruiting source is always very tricky. you're actually asking someone to betray their country and you want to have a pitch that a soft. um, so in this particular case, it's more about trying to help the country versus to betray it. and you know, we'll see if it's effective, up potentially decades down the road when the history of this period is written. but i think it's the right thing to do to not be overly pushy, overly criticizing, and make it clear to people that they're trying to help the country versus attract . is there a, a decent amount of promising reserve of discontinued disgruntled russians? who perhaps the c. i a could tap into and i think the risk and there's been reports just this week that there's been

a number of even senior officials within the, the russian government including governors that have been trying to resign from their positions. and have been basically told by the kremlin that not only will they not do lots of design, but they may face criminal penalties of thank you, keep pushing this issue. so there's quite a lot of people that are not just unhappy with the direction, but are also very unhappy with the fact that they're known to welcome in western societies that they can no longer corrections very widespread and rush of course, they can no longer stash them money and overseas and their families as easily to spend your money in the, in the con, uh and south france and another great destination. so those are the people that the c i a and the i want to target for agreement in the kremlin. it is a, we're apparently that people are not happy and that the, the likelihood that someone will betray his or her country is, is high. the punishment for being a traitor has been increased. and just the last year, do you think what the see how he's doing now with this video to recruit spies,

do you think that is going to get stakes even greater for russians who want to do something to, to end? what they perceive is madness in their own country as well. the stakes have always been high if you're caught as a traitor in rush, or even if you're accused on fairly, as best buy as we now have with journalists. step degree, the wall street journal reporter that there's been a case to be inspired unfairly by putting machine you can be locked up for life. you can be locked up for many, many years in the labor camps. so the people that are going to be contacting these agencies are well aware of the risks and they have to balance that out and determine if there is an opportunity for them to potentially one day get citizenship and at west through the country and set up for a friend who liked their d. c, i a, has made it a point to say that with this video, they're not advocating any type of, of domestic unrest in russia. but i was also struck by the fact that the c, i a did not say that they,

the discount paid would not advocate or maybe lead to regime change or change at the top in russia. i mean, it could be understood as a catalyst for getting rid of flooding improvement cuts. i don't think so. i think the people that are most likely to be receptive to these pictures are going to be mid career paragraphs. you're, i think very unlikely to recruit anyone very senior. we're going to put an end to rush that would potentially be capable of orchestra and include gaps that includes are always very dangerous because you don't know what's going to come next. even if you have someone who's working for you that might orchestrated cube, there's no guarantee that they'll continue working for you and they may turn out to be worse than the person. they replaced the dimension before we let you go, you say this could be the golden age for recruiting russian spies for western intelligence in general. you know, they were spot on with the information they made public leading up to the russian invasion of ukraine are. we also living in a, maybe a golden age of acting,

being able to act on reliable intelligence as we have seen, a complete see change and how intelligence is used in the united states. and the last 2 years, because used to be, when you're collecting these security information, you'll lock it up to lead. very few people see a, what the us government has done is by publicizing us, they've been able to actually alter russian plans. we know that the, let me put in one or 2 have a false flag operation that would justify his invasion of ukraine because of the intelligence that has been released. he wasn't able to do so. and that has impacted his ability to justify this. so legal, aggression, dimitry of heritage, it's good talking with you. excellent analysis in context to help us understand what's going on in the shadows. thank you. thank you. where you crazed military says that it is making progress in the battle for the eastern city of buck moved in recent days. ukrainian forces have reportedly

reclaimed about 20 square kilometers of territory around the city, but ukraine's grip inside buck boat. that's a different story. the ukranian troops, sa, paying a high price for the efforts to liberate the flashpoint city of buck moved the sold. it took a direct hit from a move to show. he says he's helm, it saves his life. on monday, the troops top come onto said they've made that 1st significant advances. despite having fewer resources and personnel, the net enemies, rushes defense ministry, acknowledged ukraine's attempts to capture territories around buck moved but denied . they had been successful this year to the north and south, and the enemy made major attempts to break through. our troops defends us up with the father. we repelled all attacks by units of ukraine's armed forces. no break.

there was no defense has occurred. oh, i don't know, the ticket was broken, which is the sea i'm destined fits this fighting of the will controlling it is strategic for both moscow sees best moot as a stepping stone to attack in other cities. he says, keeping up its defense is buying time for its military capacity for a major counter offensive to retake, brush unoccupied territory at the forefront of russia's buckley defensive is the private bod, naomi itself, the major law says, and it's lead to you have guinea pig gordon has persistently accused must go of failing to properly supply his army with munitions. now a new scandal is brewing. on monday, the washington post came back back in january, for the origin offered to betray rushing sweep positions to ukrainian intelligence in return for ukraine. calling back its troops in buck moved the pose side to the

us intelligence league, and added that pre rolls in sofa had been rebuffed by ukraine, which did not trust him. of course, the multi goes in has dismissed the allegations as known, since he denies talking to any ukrainian intelligence officials and kremlin spokesman dmitri pet schools has a so called the report a hoax. activity. the inside thing on the russian side is intense bots. whatever the trees, it seems, neither russia nor ukraine kind of for to concede bus moved. and so the boost will fight for the city, continues japan and showing to have used a new military hotline for the 1st time. on tuesday years and negotiation culminated in a 20 minute phone call between the japanese defense minister and his chinese counterpart. a similar hotline has been in place between the pentagon and the

chinese defense industries since 2008. but that has not always worked. washington says that basie refused to pick up the phone. after shooting down the suspected chinese 5 balloon of the west coast back in february. you may remember that the presence of the spy balloon also led us secretary of state anthony, blinking to postpone a visit to china. but both sides have moved to improve. what is an alarming lack of communication, especially given the growing tensions overtime on president j. biden's national security advisor jake sullivan, met with china is a top diplomat, wong e last week. here's the chinese foreign ministry spokesman on those talks. trump, out to the side, had counted in depth, substantive and constructive discussion, some removing obstacles to improve china us relations. i'm present deterioration volume to tell i meant to turn in the 2 sides, also exchange views on the national and regional issues of common concern including

here is your specific situation and you can go find both sides agreed to continue to make good use of a strategic communication channel us lovejoy now by tong job. he's a senior fellow in the nuclear policy program at the carnegie endowment for international peace is also a visiting research scholar at princeton university's science and global security program. mr. joe, it's good to have you on the program. i want to talk in just a moment about the dangers of how the taiwan issue was being discussed inside of china. but 1st showing the end it's links with the outside world. how dangerous is this lack of fast communication channels between the us and chinese leaderships? why it's not really the lack of communication channels. the channels already existing there are up to the most on one hot lines, senior official level is between the two's the challenges. how can we insure the

hotline and other communication channels? we will actually be used in a time of crisis. and so far what we are seeing is, uh, often in china refuses to pick up the phone because the china wants to impose pressure on the other side. uh at the time of prices. and in china is always, uh, it is becoming increasingly centralized. so the tree officials as the front line be also reluctant to isolate the fall from their american counterparts because they need to 1st uh get approval from the piece called leadership in talking to the american association. so that also makes it very hard to have stopped and say, of exchanges at the time of crisis. what is the problem with mr. jones that the hotline should actually be between? he represent the white house and she's in pain because in china, she's in pink,

is at the top of the food chain, and he's the one who can make the decisions. i mean, are they not connecting the right people to wells? there is actually a present central level hotline between us and china that was established in 1998. but it was rarity, used at least a call according to a public report. it may also, uh, you know, the results of the personal preferences of specific topic leadership based, or she, for example, may not be a, so king a, as in your, in terms of his personality to respond quickly that, you know, crises into gave quick answers who, who's a foreign condo boss, he may need time to think through, and that makes maybe him a reluctance to use the phone one to directly talk with american pride. yeah,

i mean, of course you could argue that he could answer the phone and say president bite. and i need to think about it, i'll call you back. but obviously he doesn't want to do that. the, these talks between jake sullivan in wong e. what impact if any, do you think they're going to have on re establishing a hotline and offering maybe paths to de escalation? so i think it is a positive sign up for a long time. chinese different nights since he refused to communicate with their american counterparts. as the american and boss to mister nick burns, wasn't able to meet with his chinese carter pard, full, but well after he arrived in beijing. but now i think that you, on your side is showing a stronger you interest in resuming some of the regular communication channels.

there has been signs of resumed operational level engagement between the 2 sides and not necessary on highly sensitive and national security issues. but uh um, you know, nice, so this is the issue is climate change, economic relationship you decide for. i think that the mysteries, uh, what do you mean is on to, on his part to graduate, stabilize the us china relationship because china is still very much dependence. american technology resources, the investments, etc. mr. jar, you recently published an article in foreign affairs and we've pulled a quote from the everyone and share with our viewers. because we think this, this really got our attention. you right? the dynamics among china's political leadership. it's policy leads and the broader public have generated an internal feedback loop that is not entirely within, she's comprehension or control. this could result in showing that as being fully mobile wise for more, even without she deciding to attack taiwan. now,

there is a scary situation that you are describing. i'm how likely is that that happened? in other words, more with china in the us could break out. and she's, and things would really not want that to happen as well. i think it is important for the international community to understand how a very centralized chinese, a system can generate a de facto mobilization towards war. we've all to anyone actually making a big street decision to go to war. and basically, a comes from 1st and foremost to mr. she's personal sense of mission to resolve the talent issue. and that's personal preference because of such a strong, you know, send to you in

a highly centralized system for the operational level. officials for the policy needs to all catered to has a vision into how k 5, his own thinking. so everyone is, you know, trying to think of, uh, you know, between 5 years of how we kinda achieve coerce they've unification. nobody's raises questions about why do we have to do this on accelerated timeframe? why is it hard? so nobody is asking the basic question everyone twice to make it happen. i think that's, it also makes the top here shape increasingly convinced that this is the right thing to do an extra actually, we've been trying his capacity to do it. i think that's how this internal feedback . nobody's particularity dangerous. yeah. and you know, at the national people's congress, it back in march. she's been paying, told his generals to be prepared for more. now if we put that in this feedback loop that you've described, he's basically telling them that

a war is going to happen. disney to the most necessary, i mean what he according to what we know of is mr. c. wanted to the mid develop the option, the capability to, you know, take really 3 action against a tie, one by 2020. so that, that doesn't mean mister, she has a desire to start war by 2027 because i still know it's, it's through a common consensus within the international research community that china is top. the top gold top option is to achieve a unification through co work. oh, well, we've got to actually find, you know, but the thing is when he orders the ministry to give, develop such an option that since a very strong essentials for the ministry to, you know, develop all sorts of capabilities for the defense industry to also be highly

mobilized for the policy as far as to, you know, you know, generate the ideas of how to deal with the necessary military means to fight and bring the war and how to deal with that. you cannot make resist resiliency. mm hm. so that china wouldn't be undermined by international assumptions, culture and account weight types of positive tvs. everyone's thinking the same direction, no one is reading across and there's no one that's in there's no the one to teach the break into the system that's already mobilized itself to words a more. is there any way around? she just think we've got 30 seconds left here. mr. joe. i mean, i'm just thinking what they're probably thinking in the white house about this. is there anyone around she's in being who has his ear? who could say mister president, we need to pull back. we're making a mistake, is there someone who's willing to say that knowing that she's in pain may not want to hear it? or i don't think away. no, uh, but side, personally,

haven't seen any evidence of a senior level people waiting to take the personal risk to question or challenge mr . she's vision. yeah, and i think that's a very scary reality that you described there. mr. tong, y'all with the carnegie endowment for international peace. fascinating talking with you. um that helps us understand more about what's happening between washington and beijing, things on twitter and rank golf tv. and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day. we'll see you then everybody, the

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