so this is data with the news from the then you can get more news on our website at the www dot com. the, the c, i a is casting a wide and rather public net on the internet hoping to recruit russian spies a get in touch video aimed at russian citizens with state secrets. russians who loved their country, but not where it's headed. a president by the way, approach, and the invasion of ukraine. they're never mentioned. you could call it the push button in the room, a fact reinforced daily by russian air strikes and a war that mosse scales, meaning power, still refused to call by ne, i brit golf berlin. this is the day i the sort of russian armed forces carried out

a concentrated the spring with high precision, with long range errands based on running against locations of ukraine and armed forces celebrated at april. so size, desperation, given how bad the rest is doing on the front lines, we are returning home with new defense packages, even ballistic, to solve the most difficult thing to set down now being routinely accepted by ukraine. thanks to those western western system. more ammunition, stronger weapons for the front to more protection for up people, more political support also coming up hotline in the cold war, the kremlin and the white house were once connected by phone direct dialing to prevent more. tonight, the question for beijing in washington, who are you going to call? so there is number of areas where we believe it will benefit the both of our countries to continue to communicate. in our intention has always been to maintain lines of communication with the p r c. a to our viewers watching on

cbs in the united states. and to all of you around the world, welcome, we begin the day with russian air strikes and russian secrets. it is no secret that moscow has no intention of changing course in its invasion of ukraine. overnight, russian forces watched air strikes on keep that ukrainian officials today described as exceptionally intense. they had the keeps military administration, says the russian attack used to drones, cruise missiles and probably ballistic missiles, ukraine's chief military commander. so the defense systems were able to destroy all of the russian missiles within keeps air space. debris fell across several of the capitals districts causing a fire. in one non residential building. recent days have seen a flurry of russian air strikes as well months before russian begin its invasion of ukraine. the us went public with intelligence that suggested the kremlin, despite its denials, was planning to start

a war well in february of last year. that intelligence proved to be spot on. it is impossible to measure the value of intelligence, but ask any general from berlin to london to washington, and they will tell you it's better to have too much entail than not enough. well, apparently the c, i a thinks there has never been a better time to recruit spies in russia, russian spots. the us intelligence agency is using social media and the dark net to extend an invitation to russian citizens who may have access to state secrets to get in touch. the invitation comes in the form of a video that speaks to russians who loved their country, but not where it is going. take a look at the my yet. i see that this example just let us see if you ever were using zombies. they wouldn't root this to him. look at that. yeah. my easy,

the with this attempt to recruit russians to be spies, it's certainly not classified information. in fact, the kremlin says, it is aware of the c i, a video government spokesman dmitri pest offices that russian security forces are monitoring the information space and the face of continued western activity years ago. and i don't know, i haven't seen it, but i'm convinced that the special services are also monitoring this space and the necessary way photos are given that. and we all know have, or the c i a and the western intelligence services on not reducing their activities

on the territory of our country. but you have to understand that you can tell you that. all right, i'm going to bring you now dimitri, up here to that. she's a cyber policy and security expert. he's been a special advisor to the pedagogy now advisors, department of homeland security demetrius. good to have you on the program. let me ask you, why do you think the c, i a considers the here and now to be an unprecedented time and opportunity to reach out to russians who may have state secrets to share? well, we might very well be living in the golden age of recruitment of russian sources right now. and both the c i and frankly, the of the i have been pretty aggressive in their campaigns. this is not the 1st video, the us government has put out, or the russian officials to contact us government to become a source for us intelligence community. and there. and again, this is working. you've had hundreds of thousands, potentially as many as a 1000000 people have left russia. a lot of people that are very dissatisfied with where the country is going with this war. so they are right for targeting,

being targeted by the us intelligence community. so let me ask you to put on your, your cyber security expert, have here the c. i a says that the prospective spies, they can trust the doc. net a tour browser to get in touch with the c. i know, is it really possible for russians to communicate with the central intelligence agency? i'm by using something like, i guess, uh, double 07, phone number. well, the top browser is actually widely used by a number of people around the world dissidence as, as well as others that want to focus on privacy. so it's a way to browse anonymously to websites, to communicate with people anonymously. it's fully encrypted. it's been used for about 20 years, so it's very well understood and analyze technology, so it's quite secure if you follow the instructions on how to use it appropriately . this is where you struck dimitry by what was not said in this video.

they didn't say they didn't mention the words fly them improvement once, and they did not mention the war in ukraine. is there a reason for this noticeable absence or recruiting source is always very tricky. you're actually asking someone to betray their country. and you want to have a pitch that a soft um, so in this particular case, it's more about trying to help the country versus to betray it. and, you know, we'll see if it's effective, up potentially decades down the road when the history of this period is written. but i think it's the right thing to do to not be overly pushy, overly criticizing, and make it clear to people that they're trying to help the country versus the trip . is there a, a decent amount, a, a promising reserve of discontinued disgruntled russians who perhaps the c. i a could tap into i think the risk and there's been reports just this week that

there have been a number of even senior officials within the russian government, including governors that have been trying to resign from their positions. and have been basically told by the kremlin that not only will they not do lots of design, but they may face criminal penalties if you keep pushing this issue. so there's quite a lot of people that are not just unhappy with the direction, but are also very unhappy with the fact that they're known to welcome in western societies that they can no longer corrections very widespread and rush of course, they can no longer stash them money and overseas, send their families as easily to spend your money in the, in the con, uh, and south france and another great destination. so those are the people that the c i a and the i want to target for agreement in the kremlin. it is a, we're apparently that people are not happy and that the, the likelihood that someone will betray his or her country is, is high. the punishment for being a traitor has been increased in just the last year. do you think what the see how

he's doing now with this video to recruit spies, do you think that is going to get stakes even greater for russians who want to do something to, to end? what they perceive is madness in their own country as well. the stakes have always been high if you're caught as a traitor in rush, or even if you're accused on fairly, as best buy as we now have with journalists. step degree, the wall street journal reporter that there's been accused of being inspired unfairly by putting machine you can be locked up for life. you can be locked up for many, many years in the labor camps. so the people that are going to be contacting these agencies are well aware of the risks and they have to balance that out and determine if there is an opportunity for them to potentially one day get citizenship and at western country and setup for a for new what their d. c, i a, has made it a point to say that with this video, they're not advocating any type of, of domestic unrest in russia. but i was also struck by the fact that the c,

i a did not say that they, the discount paid would not advocate or maybe lead to regime change or change at the top in russia. i mean, it could be understood as a catalyst for getting rid of blood improvement cuts. i don't think so. i think the people that are most likely to be receptive to these pictures are going to be mid career paragraphs. you're, i think very unlikely to recruit anyone very senior. we're going to put an end to rush. but that would potentially be capable of orchestra and include gaps that includes are always very dangerous because you don't know what's going to come next . even if you have someone who's working for you that might orchestra to cool, there's no guarantee that they'll continue working for you and they may turn out to be worse than the person to request it. to make sure, before we let you go, you say this to be the golden age for recruiting. i'm russian spies for western intelligence in general. you know, they were spot on with the information they made public leading up to the russian

invasion of ukraine are. we also living in a, maybe a golden age of acting, being able to act on reliable intelligence as we have seen, a complete see change and how intelligence is used in the united states. and the last 2 years, because used to be, when you're collecting these security information, you'll lock it up, you lead very few people see it. what the u. s. government has done is by publicizing that they've been able to actually alter russian plans. we know that, that let me put in one or 2 have a false flag operation that would justify his invasion of ukraine because of the intelligence that has been released, who was unable to do so. and that has impacted his ability to justify this illegal aggression. dimitry up here to the edge. it's good talking with you. excellent analysis and contacts to help us understand what's going on in the shadows. thank you. thank you. we're ukraine's military says that it is making progress in the battle for the eastern

city of buck moved in recent days. ukrainian forces have reportedly reclaimed about 20 square kilometers of territory around the city, but ukraine's grip inside buck boat, that's a different story. ukrainian troops paying a high price for the efforts to liberate the flash points. 50 of buck moved the sold. it took a direct hit from a move to show. he says he's helm, it saves his life. on monday, the troops top commander said they've made that 1st significant advances. despite having fewer resources and personnel, the net enemies, rushes defense ministry, acknowledged ukraine's attempts to capture territories around buck moved but denied . they had been successful this year to the north and south, and the enemy made major attempts to break through. our troops, defends was repelled all attacks by units of ukraine's armed forces. no break.

there was no defense has occurred. oh, i don't have a ticket worth spoken, which is the c o. this didn't see a citing of the will controlling it is strategic for both. moscow sees best moot as a stepping stone to attacking all the cities. he says, keeping up his defense is buying time for me at $32.00 could pass for a major counter offensive to retake russian occupied territory at the forefront of russia's buckley defensive is the private bod. nami itself. the major law says, and it's need to you have guinea pig horton has persistently accused most go of failing to properly supply his army with ammunition. now a new scandal is brewing. on monday, the washington post came back back in january for georgia and offered to betray russian sloop positions to ukrainian intelligence in return for ukraine. pulling

back its troops in, buckled the post side to the us intelligence league, and added that pretty golden sofa, had been rebuffed by ukraine, which did not trust him. first, the more pray goes and have dismissed the allegations, as none since he denies talking to any ukrainian intelligence officials and kremlin spokesman dmitri pet schools has a so called the reports a hoax. activity the inside thing on the russian side is intense spots. whatever the trees, it seems, neither russia nor ukraine kind of for to concede bus moved. and so the police will fight for the city, continues the japan and trying to have used a new military hotline for the 1st time. on tuesday years and negotiation culminated in a 20 minute phone call between the japanese defense minister and his chinese

counterpart. a similar hotline has been in place between the pentagon in the chinese defense industry since 2008. but that has not always worked. washington says that basie refused to pick up the phone. after shooting down the suspected chinese 5 balloon of the west coast back in february, you may remember that the presence of the spied balloon also led us secretary of state entity blinking to postpone a visit to china. but both sides have moved to improve what is in alarm and your lack of communication, especially given the growing tensions overtime on president j. biden's national security advisor jake sullivan, met with china is a top diplomat. one you last week. here's the chinese foreign ministry spokesman on those talks about your design. had counted it in that substance, different constructive discussion, some removing obstacles to improve china, us relations. i present deterioration volumes with have i mentioned to me the 2

sides also exchange views on the national and regional issues of common concern, including here is your pacific situation and ukraine. go funding. both sides agreed to continue to, i'm going to use the strategic communication channel, us lovejoy now by tong job. he's a senior filler in the nuclear policy program at the carnegie endowment for international peace is also a visiting research scholar at princeton university's science and global security. program, mr. joe, it's good to have you on the program. i want to talk in just a moment about the dangers of how the taiwan issue was being discussed inside of china. but 1st showing the end it's links with the outside world. how dangerous is this lack of fast communication channels between the us and chinese leaderships? why it's uh, not really the lack of communication channels. the channels already existing. there are up to the most on one hard lines at the senior official level. it's between the

2. the challenges, how can we insure the hotline and other communication channels? we will actually be used in a time of crisis. and so far, what we are seeing is, uh, all foot in china refuses to pick up the phone because the china was to impose pressure on the other side at the time of prices. and in china is all the system is becoming increasingly centralized. so the, the tree officials as the front line be also reluctant to ice of the fall from their american counterparts because they need to 1st uh, get approval from the political leadership in talking to the american officials. so that also makes it very hard to have stopped and say, of exchanges at a time of crisis. but is there the problem, mister, is now that the hotline should actually be between he represent the white house and

she's in pain because in china, she's in pink, is at the top of the food chain. and he's the one who can make the decisions. i mean, are they not connecting the right people as well? there is actually a presentational level hotline between us. and so i know that it was established in 1998, but it was rarity used. i leased a call according to a public report. it may also, you know, be a result of how the personal preferences of specific topic leadership research e, for example, may not be a, so king a, as in your, in terms of his personality to respond quickly that you know, crises and to gave quick answers to his or for uncomfortable as he may need time to think through. and that makes maybe him a reluctance to use the phone. wanted to directly talk with american pride. yeah,

i mean of course you could argue that he could answer the phone and say president bite and i need to think about it. i'll call you back. but obviously he doesn't want to do that. the, these talks between jake sullivan and wong e. what impacts if any, do you think they're going to have on, you know, re establishing a hotline and offering maybe paths to de escalation? so i think it is a positive sign up for a long time and chinese different nights since he refused to communicate with their american counterparts. the american and boss to mister nick burns wasn't able to meet with his chinese carter powered for months. well, after he arrived in virginia, but now i think the chinese side is showing a stronger your interest in resuming some of the regular communication channels,

there has been signs of resumed operational level engagement between the 2 sides and not necessary on highly sensitive and national security issues, but you know less so that is the issue is climate change, economic relationship you decide for i think that the mysteries of what do you mean his own child, his parts to gradually stabilize the us. china relationship because china is still very much dependence. american technology, resources, investments, etc. mr. you, you recently published an article in foreign affairs and we've pulled a quote from the everyone to share with our viewers. because we think this, this really got our attention. you right. the dynamics among china's political leadership is policy leads and the broader public have generated an internal feedback loop that is not entirely within, she's comprehension or control. this could result in showing that as being fully

mobile wise for more, even without she deciding to attack taiwan. now, there is a scary situation that you are describing. i'm how likely is that to happen? in other words, more with china in the us could break out and she's in things would really not want that to happen or well, i think it is important for the international community to understand how a very centralized chinese, a system can generate a de facto mobilization towards war we've all to anyone actually making unexplored decision to go to war. and basically a comes from, 1st and foremost to mr. she's personal sense of mission to resolve the talent issue . and that's personal preference. because of such a strong, you know,

send to in a highly centralized system for the operational level officials for the policy needs to all catered to has a vision into how k 5, his own thinking. so everyone is, you know, trying to think of, uh, you know, between 5 years of how we kinda achieve coerce they've unification, no way raises questions about why do we have to do this on accelerated timeframe. why is it hard? so nobody is asking the basic question everyone twice to make it happen. i think that's it also makes the top here shape increasingly convinced that this is the right thing to do. an extra actually we've been trying has capacity to do it. i think that's how these internal pre bound. nobody's particularity dangerous. yeah. and you know, at the national people's congress, it back in march. she's been paying, told his generals to be prepared for more. now,

if we put that in this feedback loop that you've described, he's basically telling them that a war is going to happen. disney to the most necessary. i mean what he, according to what we know of is mr. she wanted to the mid develop the option, the capability to, you know, take military action against a tie, one by 2020. so that, that doesn't mean mr. she has a desire to start war by 2027 because i still know it's, it's still a common consensus within the international research community that china is top. the top gold top option is to achieve a unification through co work. uh well without actually fighting over. but the thing is when he orders the ministry to give, develop such an option that since a very strong essentials for the ministry to you know,

develop all sorts of capabilities for the defense industry to also be highly mobilized for the policy. as far as to, you know, you know, generate the ideas of how to deal with the necessary military means to fight and bring the war and how to deal with that. you cannot make resist resiliency. mm hm. so that china wouldn't be undermined by international assumptions. culture and account weight types of positive feedback. everyone's thinking the same direction, no one is reading across and there's no one that's in, there's no the one to teach the break into the system that's already mobilize itself to words a more. is there any way around just you just think we've got 30 seconds left here, mr. joe? i mean, i'm just thinking what they're probably thinking in the white house about this. is there anyone around she's in being who has his ear? you could say mister president, we need to pull back. we're making a mistake. is there someone who's willing to say that knowing that she's in pain may not want to hear it, or i don't think away. no,

but i personally haven't seen any evidence of a senior level people waiting to take the personal risk to question or challenge mr . she's vision. yeah, i think that's a very scary reality that you described there. mr. tong, y'all with the carnegie endowment for international peace. fascinating talking with you. um that helps us understand more about what's happening between washington and basie. thank you. thank you. as well. the day is almost done, the conversation that continues online. you'll find this on twitter either in the news. you can follow me on twitter and went golf tv and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see you then everybody, the

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