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tv   Osman Kavala  Deutsche Welle  May 17, 2023 2:15pm-3:01pm CEST

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a few days ago. just trying to sign in to see on the job and they won't be silent. starts june, 3rd t w. ready businessmen and cultural support at osmond cuz i was taken into custody in east austin and cut my luggage another visa on district side. a 2 cushion seaview because of a field, cut it into a hedge of ty of add on. it stops fine. he's it all, most of them take to compass on that was one color that on to the blue cognitive i'm going to cut out there is absolutely no evidence for the charges against osmond come all of us on the issues and also on cover the we can make the calls that are made to ship this done or next to them, which may have had some pictures on the sides of the latest on the phone also says alternative causation in east,
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on the landing day until cushion quotes were missing a month because i lost the market for the focus of my life is the unbelievable injustice and discrimination my husband has faced. now i imagine you'd like to talk to me about that to the . ready the
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i think con, experiencing a different sense of time here was foster the boundaries between days and months become blind. it's is it them mixed with each other? quite doesn't have much to complain about the conditions and treatment to you. i think this is one of the better managed prisons in talking and then just well, the only thing comes used to living alone in my room. under this solitude, to sharing the prison space with other dispatcher. i mostly miss living together with my wife in a house the hospital so that in there is a visit my husband in jail once
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a week on tuesdays i will send this tuesday to pick. so it's a one hour mostly that closed visits to do. that means there's a pain of gloves between the we to placing a side shed the. i mean my mother is 97 years old. it makes me very sad to think that i may never see her again to present the condo dish, because sometimes it seems strange to me that i've never seen this. so a kind that you want to see sent me a picture of drawers with his table and his bachelors with bits. of course that doesn't give me a complete picture of the the, the, the,
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me to give it to them. i don't remember it very well. he wasn't on eastern time center or he's gone 2010 hotels for the city government considering about organizing a cultural program for refugees. freshman address book service, which means the secuity took me into custody upon my return, as we would do symbolically write them down to prosecute. it demanded my arrest without even saying initially i was thinking i would be released in a few days. but these treatment in particular, the behavior of the prosecutor was that made me understand that this was not just a mistaken measure. that's also due to an initial suspicion which would soon be understood. as on the found, the
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occupant in may pick the coalition regime made up of the a k p in the image states and arrested osmond karbala to put pressure on civil society. so you can give you the steward for everything they didn't want to come along because she was an entrepreneur who supported civil society in dante defended minority rights also and was also extremely polite to balance the state of the funding. if under the, the displace
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was viewed as a tobacco, their house, my grandfather was blown in colorado. he wasn't so baffled. no, that's why the house was built here. of course i don't remember bush times at what i didn't know, i'd be a history of this neighborhood for. ready 2002 together with some clinics. the establish a comfortable organization because of one can do. ready as i must say, like, you know, my name is the center good now and then also i was one come on as the rest i became director of i know, don't know who to jump to my advice to them. the top that's contemporary art. dustin,
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that they contribute to critical thinking, south confliction that i have to understand the shoes influencing uh the culture and the cultural culture. the trip eventually, bozeman savannah isn't your average person. he's very friendly and thoughtful. he always tries to be on an equal footing with the people he works. now dine is on the issue initially for maya. so tell me it's not this little small, but you find it amazing how it was gonna come on. the ways tries to make good use of the well that's coming from his family's business snipes. you could even say he's almost embarrassed by the resources he has an agent that you kind of float on that it doesn't fit the stereotype of rich cause any problems like using the net thanks in the cause
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any money is fine 100, but i think that to live in a society where people have different faith and it needs a team that i feel as equal citizens, thinking that in the bible and rich enjoys seminar public services, i assure them is a great privilege of and i'm believing that you are what contributes are the advent of such a society also keeps a feeling of enrichment despite some risk sitting times. now 1st destination was the center of the cold, this region and the strong culture of kind of the, the projects have drawn attention to things like tuck, he's armenian cultural heritage that i'm going to kill violations against the rights of different ethnic groups. so you need to talk, you start getting them, i get to take on what we've tried to create a foundation on which everyone i've talked to. you can feel like an equal citizen.
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did they mean of several? what hasn't try to divide society just the offices. you've tried to unite since may and go to the us and if you look closely, it's clear, our work hasn't changed much. what has changed as the other one receives side and it's transformation into a one man. the states have to run the pressure that's now being pushed on the old dissenting voices. janet, we really didn't think anything would happen to us as a result of this was the question was, i'm shaking a chain. it should make the
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most develop the plan at the government to build a shopping mode that would totally destroy that policy. go get my joined my colleagues in a campaign to convince the government and the public. this was a terrible idea. so small, my office is almost adjacent to the punk, these mates also, it will also me to observe the young people in talking with another sometimes impressed by that determination to protect the punk and look at. i have a strong sense of justice of the spirit of solidarity among them. the majority of them had no times with an organization appropriately. it was the 1st time participating in such an action, the visible holcombe view. all of them are solid. these are the type of when you go to missing is good
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cause i counted them all, but he said this is the part going to be all saw you come up like i said, so this is always moves office. it's just a few steps from hand to gaze. the puck sponder, you can even see it from the window yesterday because osman spent most of his childhood in use in the basement of this building. zillow gazing means a lot to him. yes. because when the protest started, he could see what was happening, that is and as well as not, of course, saving the talk was important to him to, to put up to the,
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the carstein. it'll probably be missing is published, but the positive dc d. and it wasn't just about gazing in the lead up to the protests. a lot of pressure was being excessive on people. and they simply had enough to send, she became a struggle with human digging and see the the
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the issue is when i 1st heard that my husband was accused of organizing and financing the events that daisy associate was a completely fanciful accusation to show them. yeah, fantastic. tenuous numbers could be assigned to someone with us the only way i
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could describe it. part of it to make the printers told us that us during the protest i voted loudspeaker and a plastic table to the pump as the cross to use. in addition to some cookies constitute the evidence for you and your evidence provided in the indictment and support of the allocation of that i had funded the protest. daisy was a people's movement. 3 and a half 1000000000 people to pause and not to come across the mission. every technician problem is all sort of can't. the can't be organized and financed by a single person. they don't say dilemma. the mom might have done more hard susie. they loved the team on know the don cousin, the federal student bonds are candidate i have done little much so to do that, what all of the color stood. i took that of
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a dr. g. a model to try to do the site as always, to add on, started making grain vacuum sanctions against may even be full of the indictment. it was per pat, i think, night that the government and the prosecutors had had the environment. and so i actually believe in the episode application that i planned and organized the protests in collaboration with george soros, the 2nd one being the in fact, there is no evidence in the actually contrived and absurd indictment, thoughts for which i was meant to evaluate is on trial it will be not com. there's probably no one left in the world who doesn't know these,
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but these injustices continue and walks across to the sciatic nerve and image and hufton. the visiting day is the most important day of the week. from the start, the one hour we spent together is the most important, our rest, the week for me on has them on, punched almost as much as we can. we tried to talk about numerous things, safety things. we like brick stairs, about the books. we've read it
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the don't top close to the prison. get this stuff to show. they've been checked to his system with them . good. yes. this is one of the books that was moon has read and sent back that black down of the strong i read mostly fiction bicycle that into, into, into the lives of others, you know, traveling. in other words, physics helps to have a couple of physical constraints. what are that? besides contemporary fiction? i, the read classics mazda can discover many new things, which i had not noticed or understood previous. some of them being the truck uniform. the you know, took out that i knew i knew someone when we can,
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we try to read the same books at the same time, pilot schmuck. that really helps to keep us a flight book. the took out i'm told, i'm happy that we share this passion that we like to read so far and that we can shut out homeless clips pilots hoping to make that we share our impression, some thoughts about the books. we have been reading and correspondence edge on that as you pull them when i come across something which i find exciting. i think of sharing it with i shift on and speculate how she would react to it. to sure it could be said that role model reading a novel also means i'm going to enter a conversation with you all set at the start. when i read by trying to involve eyesight in this conversation as well. the top lots of books on my seasons and i am the 10 books are allowed them to send
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a one time delay. so if i want to get some new books and all some others have to be taken away, we get it. there's a lot of traffic and so i think folks are constantly coming. i'm going, i'm logged in to get the all the, [000:00:00;00] the kid to lose the mind. waiting big dissolves to happen. and it goes without saying that people want to be with the person that closest to do it because it, it burden that was the 1st thing i felt that we went together in
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a certain shape or to but that it's the truth. small. i usually sleep very deeply will come up, but i won't comp so you can imagine how intense to you it's quite close to my instinctively just felt about the children's groups that we worked with other students, children for the flooding in the of the time i'm utah, around to mom, founder and director of colorful home for me to watch the new, the voltage. at that moment i felt about the children that i'm one to just i was safe
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to just because counsel types as to the only place these children can go, knock on the door, ask for advice and feel comfortable. the. unfortunately, it's become clear that the states doesn't have the capacity to deal with the assumption logic like units may is about 10 your time. you think the will try to physically to say, imagine how horrible feeling of desperation must be the stick that i was really upset that i couldn't take part in the relief efforts and custom, reportedly there were people crying help from under the rubble while that friends and relatives able to hear that voice is what is it that i'm able to save lives that time, you know, it's good if i had been free on the day of the as quite concerned cuz i'd have tried to contact my friends in the region and organized ways to help oregon's ask them,
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they get off the piece, the price off, does it 1st or quite we decided the situation and not the amount is bad. so let's go then turn. the 1st team we sent was not allowed to enter the criteria. there was no trace of the state for 3 days and to access points was just like a minute tracy list and i'll still be receiving sort of for months to minister will do them. i think the situation reflects a major failure in a functioning that the state institutions to protect the lives and well being if the citizen, the fact that no minister or public officer resigned in the optimize disaster, not unlike what happens in other countries cornfields. the lack of feeling of responsibility towards the public to leave with some executed or
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was if i see it says that you're going to know, i'm a 1st you should a company or your product. and i'll tell you that these are scheduled. have this on the go to images, but it's good for me to give it you all on your list if that all of a to the data and then be off because we came here, maybe a width of to do is played it since then. we'd be working no timely on the playground. we special pansy views and also sharing our experience on how to work in a child centered way to to this lady, give me the name that it was up to 10 years. the promotion is
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the getting charged, the because i had the opportunity to visit the advocate and then the other se i'm cities that a young age we've given this experience made me realize that this region of my country is very different truth. most of the conversations with cottage friends helped me to better understand how they feel you put in the face of the represent safe and discriminatory policies because each citizens are facing how you're on the out. the source in the, during the war. we organized activities with children. yeah. and it was a bit of what we looked for. he pulled the children away from the barricade and did
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things with some relief. so they could leave the world behind for awhile and then we could take care. they will be living this home looks to be through or swan co along. is it one day or someone koala visited us? it has sent a short time nicer look about 20 days off to he left the office yesterday. well, someone color retreat announced the children's funds and all that was the money enabled us to do most specialized loan for children. it tells me all i need for the men and their calling on your i to you close to washington, sorta all look tend to talk to the rules. the children reject to the culture and mother thomas called because they had develop the kind of defense mechanism on kind of like sort everything they were exposed to was because they were, could learn by rejecting the kind of dish identity and things i actually felt safe . but be coming to use so much this was
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a terrible outcome declared that something had to be done about this and also the that's what we started developing a culture of the piece for the children to the richer, to ensure that they feel it at ease with their own identity and culture. and they've been a chose from a lot of, most of the the the assembly. so the promoting collaboration between artists, writers and intellectuals from ms. dunn bowling the on the key and it would contribute to the development of mutual understanding on trust 10 minutes, which is necessary to feel ourselves as a member of the same community. i've enjoyed reading cartoons the funding of one of the 1st on the new coast to activities i participated in was a program for children and the applicants which included oh, okay, let me cut out here to see how much they loved it and how much they needed this
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attention to the, to, for the last little i'll never forget that all the go make been it hope to catch the language that the medium between the indictment pro bad against me. it is written and that i have worked with the minority groups in order to incite them against the government, that'd be highly desirable of cultural programs. weeping walk in se and t for 20 years, and it is the 1st time such a broker psyche is ation was made. it was by an official authority. it shows the rise of and i look forward to hearing the mentality with a 90 minority edge and the political domain,
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the get oval tip top condition. a probably called me get asked if i could take on the case in india because of the cost money because of all that is someone i know and whose work i respect by naturally said yeah. so she did type it down on like you never have guess that this case would drag on for so long a village that it would change so much eugene, it keeps telling me is very much the the
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way so you wait throughout the entire trial for announcer what crime, what evidence significant use you listen to familiars, say, and there's nothing to disclose the result of the search. when the hearings came to an end, i left to me because i couldn't listen to the same words, the same sentences any longer. i couldn't take it any more. i've got to not pay them for you can be shot to month on much said nor monday. sure bye so much set been or might couple of didn't miss it. so to do that in the nor much pull that a couple, they did amendments to get it comes to them all. don't know. they just make it all face and i put a must have missed it on korea. these are the last couple, some of the how come to our last service group it to a piece, a student will not come out of them. that high service spoken with a child to see up the ship to go down to the kitchen. and this is
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a specific case that are such shows how turkey is unfortunately infringing international agreements almost all lied to the end. and all the hearing we've repeatedly said, due to me is the european court of human rights has made a decision. but you have to abide by this decision soon, cut off with turkish constitution to require systems. on the end of a legal conflict arises between an international agreement and a national lots a beaut on national form, or takes precedence such as i chose to channels those. i'm on the list that are so unless my students will to the, to the nations will the osmond come along with the funding for? will flag is pulsing. dig easy portez to finance. here to have on tuesday, cabella was unexpectedly cleared and released the funds of non odd. it was as if
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a great weight was lifted off my shoulders and i felt really desired and that you were the actual line belongings and bid farewell to grace. let us in the advice and as all lashed was made to get on the vines waiting in front of the building. i should not be interested, hodges, expecting to be at home as soon as possible. comfortable let us let those slide be highway to 2 hours with all relatives and friends to meet my husband. just as soon as he neared the prison satellite and often hours of waiting, i learned that he had been re arrested on another charge you from what she previously being to quit your service for somebody then who would remain in jail. but it does happen that the time you're done or when the lawyer has informed me, the president of all should be criticized like wait till i realize that you dish will decision not in conformity with his preferences could not help. this was, of course, a phone that told chatham bound to prepared me for the potential in justices. i would like to cite just a standard. the senator. well,
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i think this was the day the wedge to jump 1st came to mind. my god, the ultimate in canada has been given a life sentence without carol of mine. come on a so names on the hospital. what type of on the businessman has already spent 2 or 4 years in prison without a conviction. now capital has been sentenced to life behind bars. the. ringback when i did what i found was the sorry state and did you do sherry in the junkies in my country? i think the different phases of these political trial, we use different challenges to expand my attention. and finally, this verdict kitchen a very clear them. and if you nation involved in the traditional processors into okay, and the abuse of the toughest people system, when the production of it to just system and,
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and could you call in on what's on the truck chick is off. they are going on just, you know, you have to call koala cold coma, cold of no color did the citizen turn key or? sure this is the doing again. i had the opportunity to use my small courtyard to go because i didn't the summer like feet. this firearms that happened next south adoptable. then as i catch glimpses of see guns flying over in that direction. if i see a little so i also enjoy watching the clouds shapes and movement. these make me feel closer to 1990 of
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the kitchen layer to the stem bluebook, the ceiling. this has been trying to avoid all this time is john mitchell who pay can be very consuming from the top to put the jolt. and after they're. 2 just moment unix or when i think of osman koala is mom, be he's one of the most important people to personally support the contemporary art movements. official bush, i'll touch all the passions. so the conceptual artist only a little type of work, it was photography and video for 10 years. you come that over the last 3 years,
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i've been interested in performance sizes around the of us i was very upset by the fact that he was unlawfully arrested for no reason whatsoever other than supporting arts and culture. just as long as i get it all shipped. ready from s mom b, i made a large portrait of osborne kabbalah to walk in his footsteps. how long would i get to make my walk through the areas he loved and looked at? it soaked up the smells he loved, and i took him on a walk through the streets of his dawn bowl for a total of 15 hours in 3 days out of 5 hours a day. for me, that was very, very exciting. told me to say that almost all, but of course this isn't just about osmond kabbalah, or his portrait is a symbol for the whole situation and some of your tosh and so many others who are innocent and still in prison for no reason. that's something that bothers me a lot during
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the performance i did of course think it could be dangerous because the government has treated osmond because all of very harshly to say, but i thought that despite everything something must be done. i'm sure that you have to look into it because in this country, if 3 people gather the risk of being arrested to colonial rule, there are political prisoners in this country. so i thought in spite of everything, i thought someone must speak up. ready ready ready ready for me, don't go to the hobby osman, come onto his lawyer, heard about the performance and asked if he could have some photos because of some sort of formal. so i printed a few out and gave them to him to present, got them caught coast. i took the picture straight to osmond kabbalah, who apparently laughed and said they made him very happy. i will give you call cause was mitchell portfolio and sort of
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the of the the design and using them from the very 1st day in mind. raising my time out, the comforting solidarity of my young artist friends all cut back and through a loyal friend, they send me notes and drawings. and that made on the way to, to liberate simply knowing that the nearby i'm going through these night and souls always incredibly complex. the days i have today, we're going to certainly very present or those my couple of
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a see of course we can't visit us mind color directly because it's forbidden if the deal or to only is lawyers are allowed in high chance in music. phoenix makes up, could be scenarios. each of us has written a little message or a letter of equipment will only be able to wait in the parking lot a or, or to pack them or to of civic build. just like it's like a declaration of solidarity from afar make you feel, but it's important to us that he knows where there. and then the stick around the kids as i've, it's delivery. it's a high security prison, and it takes about 2 hours or so to get there from east on both. so it means families are relatives visiting inmates, need a whole day of which puts them under a normal strain. you can tell them that it's can, you know,
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the, the keys on it depends on the move because the soul of just and the police officer can sometimes who get as far as the parking lot can sometimes with kilometers away and what are assigned to particular story we can open up as it onto roku and then in the extend the life the, the sun is out of the little much waves doesn't come on his case concerns every one good use for 2 weeks has there's no crime on things like this. certainly happen, and those are terry and regimes and dictatorships. we oppose that and that's why we're here. uh, when i was on the box,
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they said then of course i hope he gets his freedom box and that he sees his family again. i think his size has deteriorated since because he's not been able to see the horizon for years now. he's probably got problems moving around because of walking on hard ground and i hope he'll be reunited with his loved ones the same because i want him to see the see. i want him to see the sky, and i want him to be able to see. and so the distance is still the took inches so not we not so young anymore. the brochure law has these things that are easier to buy when you're young and you have your whole life ahead of you in the quartet that helped flush it. mm hm. does it all right. when it snows even, how many use we have enough for that?
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it's obviously a very hard thing to steal. 5 loan is from a nicer the subject you took od shay of closer defect, say, look, it's impossible not to be affected by it, and have to encounter remember huge, nearly 2 years ago. a young friend of mine, not in prison and passed away from a heart attack. but it may well times when i saw him with a something like that could happen to myself. in prison, one often has thoughts about 10 seconds on the be fine, never worried about the prospect of spending the rest of my 9th behind the boss. so i,
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