the pressing guy who took care of the wood or sports, all of our scoring we say they were about never giving up sports flies every weekend on d. w. as with so many african come fix, the latest fighting into don has brought death misery to huge numbers of civilians this time. even the un has been shocked by what zip code the unprecedented speed of this integration. whatever happens to africa's low loss promise to silence the guns, but we bring him 6 ounces to such questions. these are suit, denise born bridges,

billionaire with the foundation, the researches africa's problems and rewards. those who tried to sofa, fuzzy, ever lose faith in africa. that feedbacks in some countries, unfortunately, one of them is my country. but we, we would find a way for one of the core of africa's problems. he says, is bad governance from why is it still so prevalent? how was it that african leaders voted themselves immunity from prosecution for the most serious crimes and what's behind the refusal or some states to condemn most goes invasion of ukraine? is it payback for the rows of colonial occupies but we bring him suck. welcome to conflicts of thanks, dave. so you've tried so many years to promote

a governance in africa. in some countries you've had some success, but the violence never seems to go away. in su, done the country of your bus decades of fighting. another killing has become again, an honest how personal is this conflict to you is very best instead of work. and i will be able to have this, i've done this. and what we have here is 2 sides to this. fighting a button in, in our capital. each side wants power and was power comes financial, disclose this is instead of the story, this is story of full. yes, i made it to the cause is essentially old story unfortunately. and enough is enough for all those guys, despite the treasures by both sides, to respect, humanitarian principles,

that hasn't been the slightest effort to avoid civilian casualties. why is it okay? absolutely. i don't see the shift. each of them think they can somehow win this, don't they? kind of be a, we're not here to kind of be when i knew only who was us ever this find is losing. i do so that these people are losing, the little frustrated we have is being destroyed, detective easy is and i miss. and most of it is of buying them sold. yes. it's, it is, it is very sad. do you ever lose faith in africa? no. despite all this that's going to get, but that's when can 3 out of the $54.00 can cause on index. in the last, over the last 10 years, you know, we're produce an index. so measure of governance in africa are the majority of episodes of applicants living in a bits of government countries that 10 years ago. so are moving forward. that's it

backs in some countries. unfortunately, one of them is my country. but we, we would find a way for what but this conflict is you've also said is taking place against the really dismal tapestry of backsliding. democracy as the number of states, bad governments. you've quoted africa's own goal. and you said we are responsible for how much of africa shit is your sense of responsibility for this? we okay. this the funding governor, governor. it's a z d. i bought a number of of, of deliverables. one of them, of course, is human rice delivery a bunch of dish and they say it's not. uh, i don't, the boxes are corner me then is a human developments. and there's a ruler of security. and the bitch of the bishop is really mix yes. course over the

last 2 years after got made the progress in the area of infrastructure and human development bits of educational based on his non secured no security, i'm sort of low, is going down and actually why, why is the connection between the 2? that the problem is marginalization of minorities and sometimes a it's, it's inclusion, a creative assessment. uh then you have also extend effect as like climate change with your end up with conflicts between they have those of the farmers. and if that's not to manage, it ends up. is there any conflicts like happening in the 4th? i didn't have a criminal legit 100 but she has been using malicious to sort out the probably that end up and see 100000 people get so it is it is it

mismanagement also of natural disaster habiting because of climate. that's one element you you, you said earlier this year we started to see qu data, which we saw it was something in the past. we started to see this phenomena of a strong man. it's something we need to fight back against. how do you fight these? so called strong men who are entrenched in the countries across south africa, protected sometimes by foreign policy, often by criminal games that kill for the sake of it. how. how do you fight back against these? i think young young people are looking at what's happening in custom weatherstone. banners. so then for the test to use and today shed jenna. but she was infection about $430.00 is created for this military organization. and i was just not enough for the him to have an army. he could, he gets into the support forces and called him him id, you know, and it has a for him at the, is my board section. and the,

the collision center just has an army. his party has the militia. he had ordered the stuff, the judges curriculum is this course. so 2 years hit the same kids who grew up on the he's or those are the guys were dying, is a city for the most a. this is a and b will give us whole because they will not accept disorders that they will not accept a pilot need. they will not accept the death of ships and you went to just the need for 3 years now. we're going to lose you soon. so then, because the young people would not accept this or just you, you say, yeah, can you say that you say that? but that's one of the more depressing by products of conflict and back governance is that africans are showing increasing tolerance for the role of military and politics according to afro barometer report last month. that view is particularly strongly young people, 18 to 35 year olds. after

a barometer reported that over the last decade, opposition to military rule has declined significantly. now, a slim majority, there's a majority, is willing to accept military intervention if elected officials abuse the past that has to be dangerous for them. of course, at least it is dangerous, and the problem is you take, given a, for example, we have to have, as the con, the ap using fall off his power. and then trying to deal with the constitution. simplest, the, the, the, the position i'm fed and a guy who was a democrat before getting paula didn't paul, it gets to his head. and now being the data. when electrical came again, is guy, you understand why people say all as one of the fruit goods they do for him. so don't know to be the supporting committee to the cool heavy to get rid of the really a corner of civilian who really abusing is the constitution end up losing his

body if uh yeah, its spectrum. good for me though. so, but then, but then the problem is you are, you are a blessing, the song was a different, i mean that, that is, it doesn't look like that. that's why i, its people need to live that there is also enough to to seek the 4 of the bad z that's it's also important to know what you're going for. and this is, that is instead of ending up mid support usability. cool again, is that somebody african looks tim, tim, about about the, the, the, the strong man. unfortunately, this is something we can passion of work. look only in africa. our guys in africa, lou cut out and do c o. just thing. mean strong. mean, all about the place, you know, and we have something that states will have. the key was russia will have

china web for the beans. what, how many strong men of them we see this fraction of a strong board is, is coming back again. what about this and i was, i look at this and say all that is wonderful when it comes to do like, are all the about and why i cannot be like to order the like under would be like, yeah, this is a time for strong man. unfortunately, and we need to wake up to that is not an african phenomenon. it's a global fingerprint. i'd like to talk back and go back to the bottom of this has taken place and done at the moment um, one to the violence according to the un, which should both sides trampling on humanitarian. now, back in 2010, the new york times bureau chief, east africa reported on how come back in africa have moved from soldier verse a soldier to soldier versus civilian the most of epic. despite as he said,

what bevels with the cause they would predators. and for them, tara became not just a means, but an end. to what extent is that still the case? it is, it is unfortunately paper that a number come with some countries of last week. i'll have seen like a blank was in the list in the last few years. unfortunately, we thought we finished invest. that was you cool. you know the disease at a, into 70 sixties and seventies where every morning we used to have a course on wedding. i think we thought that this finished unfortunate is coming back and something we need to be careful about this then that gave us an extra is a question. i mean, i know it is, is today is to say this, but in all honesty, do we need armies inasmuch why do we need it? what's his job of the items that we suppose to protect you on board?

who is it in the african countries setting? i don't have african countries to, to have any, was it between african countries? i don't recall any. this is why you need the arms who's been though, is this money to get those guys, bags and guns an arrow blades. when i want the one to come on to that and yeah, i'm in a moment to to i, i just, i don't think we need it. it is all nice and those guys has been goals as many of them. and then they come much with us with the copy that, i mean, what is last week? so does government told the un human rights council that it was basically none of the us business? what was happening inside to done was an internal affair. they said, i'm a student nissan forces who of course of launched attacks. and this strikes intensely populated subsidiaries in the capital. as you said, they were simply doing their constitutional duty. what do you say to a government like that? does it make you angry for the hobby bombing its own people in the capital is just doing its constituted by the government? that's not. that's not a shipment. what cause those guys government?

it's the only government they have. i just don't is people just took it by paula by guns. dad looking lifted that note to dr. look that yeah, i mean those guy is just, you know, making them. busy a lot of shows in general, those on the f i never have active bouncing this while the african states that african union actually is, is, is suspended. so then that's it. that's all they've done. what else comes into? what as the problem is applicant here and it hasn't both just on the bottom me for a long time in which i just started the force of the african you and you actually find that it should be on then it is able to go and deal with all of those claim and as of categories and whatever. unfortunately, africa that hasn't been, hasn't quoted, she has plenty of good. you the tensions doesn't to but the 2003 and i saw the amount of power. what happens, asylums for guns by one and 220. yes. what happens? what? what about security council? forget that? but after cutting out about security, because why does this security account a?

i think a lot of people forgotten about the schedule cause is defined by the veto, is that the 5 cause, i guess, is by lice. the point is the whole lovely order is in a mess. the whole public, the whole, the whole world of this, you know, or just global instruction. i miss you quoted accounts. it is important. cannot do anything. yeah. for can you ask me because this is, it doesn't have the means to accept it. they've got all the extra bliss. i think he's more of the wage, which of these accounts have kind of even but, and so we're not seeing much of that. that's what we're so down the, this is that didn't and finish is on the date. we have the conference, 2 weeks of all as we had most of our keywords on the old guys in the conference and just clear what the stand ones we want to do at that. if it's, if it is, comes to kind of go through their content, look, even it's, but it's on obedience and what's going on for them. shift for you have access all over the come to the you. have you talk to either the generals that are causing

this concept and so down at the moment i know i, i don't have enough common ground even to start the conversation. i believe was guys of goodness they shouldn't have been to take will they? if i to i whole then i hope so. what's the, what's the chance of it was one day it would come one day look. but she ended up in prison. i'd be able to sit all what but, but she industry, nobody can touch him. he wasn't pretty sure what happened to court, what happened to african quotes, pushing for african solutions and offering african accountability by what happened to that i thought from gimme and central african republic, where the trial i think is important to support the i. c, c i o projected to there is an attempt to replace ices. he was an advocate court. i don't think that was the right decision. actually it's and again,

you look at the weight that quote is going to georgia, which it cannot, it cannot, but it's cute, but it is, it is just for the cable in sales in entity from exactly. sure. so i, as i said, july, as i yeah, is this going to end up really was getting taxes drivers and official men, but they're not like what it's gonna do is that why it is a special court? it's, it's, it just, it's city. it's just some visits wants to executive sense from vice and see, and that was a bundle of what to do. i'm sorry about that. so then no quick fixes for this was done that's going on and it will spread to the region. so maybe spread to west stuff. what has that? what about south? so don, is that next? okay, is it a different institution so that i've come to it, but i think we cannot give up, then we'll have to deal with it quickly before the fire splits who it was,

all these will continue to hold. what i mean as it is very encouraging to see united states is involved. so you gotta be as involved, both of them factors or something. i think i knew and yeah, this involved and yeah, this involved, the cost is invalid. so our messages, yeah. most of those guys would have to be conference in there will be our foundation. i know those guys was there and the message to everybody is we need to speak with one voice now or the other voice. or do you hear about cancer? this was one voice, and we need to ensure that we would this fire out, we need to buy and any x, most of our to the division. and with this. and we need to be able to look either we have or we're going to go often, you to you to util, telling me about foreign armies being in african countries. i think there are 13 foreign armies actually at the moment in various african countries. how healthy do you think it is for africans to,

to welcome in rushes. most of the group of course have 5 of the for instance, victorious and ukraine, and not expanding its footprint across from tops of students on acceptable. and you'll notice who invited them many seats in the number of western countries. there's been consternation that some african countries have been ambivalent to, in the case of south africa mutual over russia's invasion of ukraine because this payback for the west for them, for the wrongs of the colonial era is that while i know the rule is the colona, the deputies deflect, judge illusion. america is usually called for the uh a good gaming the the violation of the silver and see what else i can help you create of your claim. and minneapolis gonna be able to said,

choose me. what did america do? any of that was that was that lot breach of security. so for the other countries. so why did they cut them both then? that's but from us towards the distribution for what was a little bit media on lice. i think you had mentioned which is sort of a new ocean because your money object it to the invasion of that i but is long for us to what is it as a jewish out because any excuse me, you have him to correct that is neutral. really, besides the, as it is kind of, she is your boy, i the, these items are the collection of rooms or those you give me out of that. who was the only applies to russia, not us. let's not be heavy. ok, this is appropriate. this is to a problem,

we need to look at the middle or sometimes the relies. what do we say and what you do? what happens in libya? would i'm broke this category. we never put it together, but again, is that acceptable? what do you make? look, i'm not going to be honest. i did it with this stuff. so it looked like the width is in the why it on or romantic? nobody saying ok. so don't lift. you don't lift. you have other people and say, you look icon them. i think it is a problem is i'll acceptable for russia to video created and there's no question, but in the same place i have called the american envision of over that because this is, is equivalence. and we need to remember that i just hope that people, when you talk about the natural rules, this applies to everybody. you know, exceptionally is why we bring in what do you make of america's charge last week

that south africa had load it onto a sanctioned russian fighter? if you make of that chart i, i'm really confused. exactly as to why the bus and i apologized. but we only have south africa's version for saying he apologized that he didn't know what was your tell, he didn't apologize in public. oh, i saw a guy who wrote that in the this you website actually that you didn't nice know south africa says he apologize to that but, but then they denied the judge. but when it, when they did to night, the wording was on big us. they said, we didn't approve any arms to russia. it wasn't sanctioned or approved by us. i suggest that was something to some place that i paid with would. i'm afraid that a se advocate has a number of issues i think and where is easy. where is the

government? uh, i think in c broberg we is losing its, its a grip on power effectively as it some somewhere today that is possible. is that the, for the, even though that we have of what happens. they cannot admit that because they say ok, then this is stead of what if he's at with i'd say the light is also terrible of that medical group. what's wrong with those? no, uh, medical reports now uh, more accurate is done before. uh. i mean, drinking it acted as the levels of mazda, of a selection under, which is again what i wish actually budgeting, throwing water damages, have been very accurate and i bought it. so i didn't go to not,

and i don't know what does it to. so what happened there, but i notice danger to innovation of governance in south africa was big public about this. right? in the time we have left, we talked a lot about what african countries have or haven't done. what do you, what the west to face briefly, what do you want? the west to 5. i think i think the west need really to we have in a much with our way, look at what is happening here. go with the game and you'll have to be probably only it will be on the that's 20. you'll be at least an applicant, lee that was signed and that's out of published in 50. nobody see if i'm this able to what do you see if i think i need support, we need to $100000000.00 budget and then nothing happens. good with but no the, it's nothing done. then be able to hold. holding coffee, it's an excellent nationalist. and this other seeing the guides, even our headset,

the support, nothing to okay. and that was the, the bed, the heavy tv. but at this job, because then then let's see if i'm this everybody see if they know that so right. know and gauge now for the same as i know it's after the left for the summit. 60 you africa. so yeah, that's what this you have to confirm. it was good it, but you can see the different bar. that's a very important look at the after got that. so there's no cover it $23000.00 out of city. yes. everyone gentlemen. in america, us and, and brick. you also seen the f. $23.00 young dollars. i figured it's good. nothing is any money. okay. and now does it say, what is happening when you create has a problem? when greece has a financial problem, the bank immediately searches out. now what's

happening in zambia, what's happening instead of the other 2 years? does it act and you want them to apply with that? um and you want them to come down also on the list. it cash. it doesn't find the lowest, the $100000000000.00 a $100000000000.00 they get most of the got well with the companies like united pricing and yes, and that's the pricing and broke it down. you know, a lot of shifting. i do know that i'm sick. i just want you to act so with these really the bits of behavior and so my friends of the list is a bit out of what is or the bits of financial institutions because these financial institution, i'm not said of in this house that dominated by width and most do know some ideas on the boards it's, it's a, there's no voice in the board decision. institutions from the guys are supposed to

be the customer of the clients of this, of these banks. that's why these banks would focus on greece or focus and your grid, right? but so the lack of where to submit to the board that doesn't know what is what does that be a small avery and we run out of time. thank you very much indeed. signing on topics, i'm going to give you his talk to the

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