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denise born bridges, billionaire for the foundation, the researches africa's problems and rewards. those who try to sol, so see ever lose faith in africa. the feedbacks in some countries. unfortunately, one of them is my country. but we, we would find a way for one of the core of africa's problems, he says is 5 governance for why is it still so prevalent? how was it that african leaders voted themselves immunity from prosecution for the most serious crimes was behind the refuse, or some states to condemn most goes invasion of ukraine. is it paid back for the rows of colonial, occupies the mo, most welcome to come pick some. thanks, dave. so you've tried so many years to promote that governance in africa,

in some countries you've had some success, but the violence never seems to go away. in sudan, the country of your bus decades of fighting another killing has become again, an honest how personal is this conflict to you? is the very best at stand of work. and i would be able to have this, i've done this. and what we have here is to size this fighting a button in, in our capital. each side wants power and was power comes financial. this was, this is instead of the story, this is story of full. yes. i made it to the cause is essentially old story unfortunately. and enough is enough for all those guys, despite the treasures by both sides to respect humanitarian principles, that hasn't been the slightest effort to avoid civilian casualties. why is that

they don't care? absolutely. i don't see the issue of them think they can somehow when this don't the kind of be a we're not here to kind of deal with not only who is us able to find is losing. and so that these people are losing the little unfair, frustrated. we have is being destroyed, detective easy, isn't i miss? and most divisions of buying them soldiers. it's, it is, it is very sent. do you ever lose faith in africa? no. despite tool this, that's going to get, but that's when can 3 out of 54 can accordions on index. in the last, over the last 10 years, you know, we would use an index, somebody, you have governance in africa. the majority of episodes of applicants living in a bit of government countries that 10 years ago. so are moving forward that

feedbacks in some countries, unfortunately, one of them is my country. but we, we would find a way for one. but this conflict is you've also said is taking place against the really dismal tapestry of backsliding. democracy as the number of states that governments, you quoted, africa's own goal. and you said we are responsible for how much of africa shows your sense of responsibility for this. we okay, this, the funding governor governor says edi i bought a number of, of, of deliverables. one of them of course, is human rice delivery. a bunch of patient is here today. i don't the boxes you know, corner me then does the human developments and the business rules and security and the picture, the bishop is really mix. yes. to course, over the last 10 years,

i forgot made the progress in the area of infrastructure and human development bits of educational because i had a non secured, no security, i'm sort of low, is going down actually why, why is the connection between the 2 that the problem is marginalization of minorities and sometimes a it's, it's a truism, a creative assessment. uh. then you have also extend the fact that it's like climate change. we have, you end up with conflicts between they have those of the farmers. and if that's not to manage, it ends up it's or ethnic conflicts like having in the for i didn't have a claimant on legitimate, but she has been using malicious to sort out the probably the end up and see 100000 people get. so it is, it, is, it mismanagement also of natural disaster habiting because of climate. that's one

element you you, you said earlier this year we started to see qu data, which we saw it was something in the past. we started to see this phenomena of a strong man. it's something we need to fight back against. how do you fight these so called strong men who are entrenched in the countries across south africa? protected sometimes by foreign policy, often by criminal gangs that kill for the sake of it. how. how do you fight back against these? i think young young people are looking to to having in comfortable weatherstone banners. so that for 50 years, encouraged jenna. but she was in section about 430 is created for this military organizational. now there's no time off for him to have an army. he's going to get into the support forces and called him him, might be, you know, i'm just heading for him at the, is my board section. and the,

the collision center. he just has an army. his party has the militia. he had ordered the stuff, the just got to kind of just quotes. so to use, hit the same kids who grew up on the he's or go to the buys, what volume you the city for them. oh gosh. this is a and b will will give us hope because they will not accept the soldier. they will not accept at tyler need. they will not accept the depth of ships and the width of just the need for 2 years. now we're going to lose you soon. so then, because the young people would not accept this or just you, you say i can you say that to say that, but that's one of the more depressing by products of conflict and back governance is that africans are showing increasing tolerance for the role of military and politics, according to afro barometer report, nice months. that view is particularly strongly young people, 18 to 35 year old. after a barometer reported that over the last decade,

opposition to military rule has declined significantly. now a slim majority, there's a majority, is willing to accept military intervention if elected officials abuse that pass. that has to be dangerous for them. of course, at least it is dangerous. and the problem is you take guinea for example, where have i still going to abusing paula is power and then trying to do with the constitution someplace the the, the, the was issue. i'm fed and a guy who was a democrat before getting follow didn't power gets to his head. and now being the data. when electrical came again, is this guy you understand why people say, oh, as one is definitely good today to for him. so down, know, 3, this important competitor. cool. yeah. happy to get rid of the really a corner of civilian who really up using is the quickest issue. shouldn't end up

losing his body if uh yeah. if they can get rid of something, but then, but then the problem is you are, you are replacing the software, it was a different, i mean that, that is, it doesn't look like that. that's why i or be will need to live that there is also a loss to to seek the 4 of the beds, the that it's also important to know what you're going for. and this is that is sort of ended up mid. i suppose you committed to the quote again, is that somebody asked for it to decide on what the, tim, tim, about, about the, the, the, the strong men. unfortunately, this is something we can passion about. look only in africa. our guys in africa look around and do c o, just string. been strong, mean all about the place. you know, and we have something that states will have delta

t last. russia will have china web for the beans. what. how many strong men of them we see this fraction of a song people is, is coming back again. what about this? i was, i look at this and say all that is wonderful when it comes to do like, are all the about and why i cannot be like to order the again, why cannot be like yeah, this is a painful, strong man unfortunately. and we need to wake up to that is not an african phenomenon. it's a global phenomena. i'd like to talk back and go back to the bottom of this is taking precedence, done at the moment um one to the violence according to the un, which should both sides trampling on humanitarian. now, back in 2010, the new york times bureau chief, east africa reported on how come back in africa had moved from soldier verse a soldier to soldier versus civilian the most domestic despite, as he said,

what bevels with the cause, stable predators. and for them, tara became not just a means, but an end. to what extent is that still the case? it is, it is unfortunately paper that a number come with some countries of last week. i'll have see like a blank was in the list in the last few years. unfortunately, we thought we finished. i'm thought that was you cool. you know the disease at a, into 70 sixties and seventies where every morning we used to have a cool with some of that. and i think we thought that this finished unfortunate is coming back and something we need to be careful about this. then that gives us an extra division question. i mean, i know it is estimated to say this, but in all honesty, do we need armies in africa? why do we do that? what does the job of the items the item is suppose to protect you on board? who is it and the applicant category?

so i think i don't have applicant categories to, to have any, was between applicant categories. i don't record any. this is why you need the arms . who's been though, is this money to get those guys, bags and guns an arrow blades when i want the one to come on to that to. yeah, i'm in a moment to, to i, i just, i don't think with it. it is all nice. and those guys has been goals as many of them, and then they come much with us with the copy that. i mean what's his last week? so those government told the un human rights council that it was basically none of the u. n's business. what was happening inside to them was an internal affairs, they said, and the student needs armed forces. so of course of launched attacks. and this strikes intensely populated cecilia, the reason the capital is you said they were simply doing their constitutional duty . what do you say to a government like that? does it make you angry for the hobby bombing its own people in the capital is just doing its constitution, but that's not the government. that's not, that's not the shipment. what causes those guys government?

it's the only government they have the address is people just took it by paula by guns. yeah. look you lifted that no to drive, look at it. yeah, i mean those guys just, you know, making them. busy a lot of shows in general, those on the f i live or things acting, bouncing this while the african states that african union actually is, is, is suspended. so then that's it. that's all they've done. what else comes into? what as the problem is applicant here and it hasn't well just on the bottom me for a long time in which at this time the force of the african you and you actually find that it should be on then it is able to go and deal with all of those claim and those of dental risk and whatever, unfortunately, actually comes in and it hasn't been, hasn't got it. she has plenty of good. you the tensions doesn't to but the 2003 and i saw the motor bar what what, what happens assignments for guns by one and t? 20. yes. what happens? what? what about 6, what is the account for the plastic? i know what about security, because why does it go to the accounts?

i think a lot of people have forgotten about the schedule cause is defined by the veto, is that the 5 problems i guess is finalized with the whole bubbly, or is it a mess? the whole public, the whole or the whole world of this, you know, or just global instruction. i miss you quoted accounts. it is important. cannot do anything. yeah. for can you help me? because this doesn't have the means to accept it. they've got all the extra bliss. i think he's more of the wage which included the codes have kind of even thing. so we're not seeing much of that. that's where i saw it on the this is that did it. and finish is on the date. we have the confidence, 2 weeks of all i've had most of our keywords or now guys in the conference and just clear what the stand once you want to do. that if it's, if it is, comes to kind of go through their content look, even expressed on obedience and what's going on for them. shift for you have access all over the come to the you. have you talk to either the generals,

the causing this contract to sit down at the moment? no, i, i don't have enough common ground even to start the conversation. i believe was those guys have given us the should end of the date? will they of i to i hold of it, i hope so. what's the, what's the chance of? it was one day it would come one day look. but she had ended up in prison. i live with said, oh, what? but she unnecessary. nobody could touch him. he wasn't prison. so what happened to me, i'm afraid that is not what happened to african quotes, pushing for african solutions, and offering african accountability by what happened to that i thought from guinea and central african republic, where the trial i think is important to support the i. c. i o projected to there is an attempt to replace isis. he was an advocate court. so i don't think that was the right decision actually. and again, you look at the weight that quote was legit you which is which it cannot. it cannot,

but it's cute, but it is. it is. yes, i gave one. so the 2 for me. exactly. sure. so i, as i said, why is i yeah, if this go to end up really was getting taxi drivers and official men, but they're not my good. it's gotta do that. why was this special court? it's, it's, it just, it's city. it's just some visits wants to be effective sense from vice and see, and that was a bundle of what to do. i'm sorry about that. so then do a quick fix is for this was done that's going on and it will spread to the region. so maybe spread to well west stuff for has that. what about sauce through done? is that next? okay, is it a different institution so, so that i've come to it, but i think we cannot give up. so then we'll have to deal with it quickly before the fire splits. photo is all these will continue to hold. what i

mean as it is very encouraging to see united states is involved. so you gotta be as involved. both of them factors show stuff definitely can do and yeah, there's a volume and yeah, this involved, the cost is invalid. so our messages yeah. most of those guys would have that'd be conference in there will be our foundation. i know those guys was there and the message to everybody is we need to speak with one voice now or the voice. or do you hear about kansas was one voice. and we need to ensure that we would this fire out . we need to buy and any x, most of our to the division, and with this, and we need to, to be able to look either we have or we're going to go often. you to you to util, telling me about foreign armies being in african countries. i think there are 13 foreign armies actually at the moment in various african countries. how healthy do you think it is for africans to, to welcome in russia's muscle regroup. of course,

um, 5 minute, for instance, victorious in ukraine and not expanding its footprint across the concepts of students that are acceptable. and you'll notice who invited them. many of the ships in the number of western countries that's being comes to nation, that some african countries have been ambivalent to, in the case of south africa mutual over russia's invasion of ukraine. is this payback for the west for the, for the wrongs of the colonial era is that while i go to 0, is the colona, the deputy to be fact judge illusion. america is usually called for the a, a good game in the violation of the silver and see what it is. i can have you create of your claim and maybe african people said,

excuse me. what did america do? any of that was that could be a good was that not breach of security? so for the other countries. so why did they condemn both but from us to woods. this is a solution for what was a little bit media and weiss, i think you had mentioned which is sort of a new issue on because your money objected to the invasion of that. but is long for us to was, is it is usually because any, excuse me, you have him to correct that is neutral, really the side effect going to be on the as it is kind of use your boy i that is it is i the collection of rules or roles you would give me or out of the rules only applies to russia, not us. this not be heavy. ok, this is appropriate. this is the problem. we need to look at the middle or

sometimes and the relies. what do we say and what you do, what happens in libya, would then brokerage this country. we never put it together, but again, is this acceptable? what do you make? look i, i that has to be honest, i'm dealing with this stuff. so it looked like the width is the why it on or romantic? nobody say that. okay, so, so don't lift. you don't collection of other people and say, you look icon them and i think it is a problem it's, i'll acceptable for russia to video create and there's no question. but in the same place i have called the american envision of over that act. because this is, is equivalence and we need to remember that i just hope that people, when you talk about the natural rules, you should, the applies to everybody, you know, exceptionally is what we bring. what do you make of america's charge last week that

south africa had load it onto a sanctioned russian freight to if you make of that chart i, i'm really confused exactly as to why the bus and i apologized as well. we only have south africa's version. so saying, he apologized, he didn't know what was your tell, he didn't apologize in public. oh, i saw a guy who wrote that in bbc website actually that he didn't like know south africa says he apologize to that but, but then they denied the judge. but when it, when they did to not the wording was on big us, they said we didn't approve any arms to russia. it wasn't sanctioned or approved by us. i suggest that was something to some place that i played with would i'm afraid that south africa has a number of issues i think and where is easy?

where is the government? uh, i think in c, broberg we is losing it's. it's a grip on paula. effectively as it some, somewhere today that is possible. is that the for the, even though that we have of what happens. they cannot admit that because they say ok then this instead of what if he's at with i'd say the light is also terrible of their medical. they're both wrong. i was also a medical reports now more accurately done before. uh i mean, drink act. it has a web as of mazda, of a section on the, which is a kim loud this actually budgeting wrote in the world. the amenities have been very accurate and they bought it. so i did it well,

it's not. and i don't know what does to, so what happened death. but i notice danger to innovation of governance in south africa was big public about this. right? in the time we have left, we took to learn about what african countries have or haven't done. what do you, what the west fate, briefly, what you want the west to do? 5. i think i think the west need really to we have in a much with our way look at what is happening here. go with the game and you'll have to be probably all you. it'll be under the last 20. you'll be at least an applicant, lee that was signed and that's out of published in 50. nobody see if i'm this able to what do you see if i think i need support, we need to $100000000.00 budget and then nothing happens. good with but no the, it's nothing done. then be able to hold. holding coffee, it's an excellent nationalist. and this other seeing the guides, even in our headset,

the support nothing. okay. and that was the, the bad behavior tv. but at this job, because then then let's see if i'm this everybody see if they know of that. so what i'm doing gauge now for the same as i know it's after we left for the summit, 60 you africa. so yeah, that's what this you have to confirm. it was great, but you can see the different color. that's very important. look at it after got that. so there's no cover it $2300.00. out of said yes, everyone gentlemen, in america, us and, and bridget also seen the f. $23.00 young dollars. i figured it's good enough to there's any money. okay. i've now done this twice. what is happening? so when you create has a problem, when greece has a financial problem, the fund, will it bank immediately search it out. now what's happening in

zambia, what's happening instead of the other 2 years? does it act? and you want them to close that um and you want them to come down also on the list it cash and there's a sign the last to a $100000000000.00, a $100000000000.00. again, most the got well with the companies like united pricing and yes and that's pricing and broke it down. you know, a lot of shifting and you know that i'm sick, i just want you to act so with these really the bits of behavior and for my friends of the was really is a bit of what it, all of them who did have a bit of financial institutions because these financial institution, i'm not said of in this house that dominated by width and most of the you know, some ideas on the boards, etc. there's no voice and the board decision institutions from the guys are

supposed to be the customer of the clients of this, of these banks. that's why these banks would focus on greece. we're focusing on your credit, right? but so they like to know where to submit and what is that, what would the boards that doesn't know? what is what does that be a small avery and we're running out of time. thank you very much indeed dining and i don't think so. i'm going to see his tax in the

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