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fuzzy ever lose faith in africa, the feedbacks in some countries. unfortunately, one of them is my country. but we, we would find a way for one of the core of africa's problems. he says is bad governance. and why is it still so prevalent? how was it that african leaders voted themselves immunity from prosecution for the most serious crimes, and what's behind the refuse, or some states to condemn most goes invasion of ukraine? is it payback for the rows of colonial occupies but we bring him some more. welcome to come pick soon. thanks. i us, you've tried so many years to promote a governance in africa, in some countries you've had some success, but the violence never seems to go away. and su, don,

the country of your bus decades of fighting another killing has become again, an honest how personal is this conflict to you is very best instead of work. and i will be able to have a bit of this. and what we have here is to size, i'm to the, to use a fighting a button in, in our capital each side, once power and was power comes financial, disclose this is still a blessed story and this is story of full. yes, i made it to the cause is essentially old story unfortunately. and enough is enough for all those guys, despite the treasures by both sides to respect humanitarian principles, that hasn't been the slightest effort to avoid civilian casualties. why is that? they don't care?

absolutely. i don't see the shift each of them think they can somehow when this don't, they cannot be a, we're not here to kind of deal with not only lose us ever this find is losing. and so then these people losing, the little infrastructure we have is being destroyed, detected really isn't a mess. and most civilians are buying them, sold, yes. it's, it is, it is very said, do you ever lose face in africa? no. despite all this that's going to get, but that's when can 3 out of 54 can cause on index. in the last, over the last 10 years, you know, we would use an index, somebody, you have governance in africa are the majority of episodes of applicants living in it, but doesn't govern countries that 10 years ago. so are moving forward. that's it backs in some countries. unfortunately, one of them is my country. but we, we would find

a way for what. but this conflict is you've also said is taking place against the really dismal tapestry of backsliding. democracy as the number of states bad governments. you've quoted africa's own goal and you said we are responsible for how much of africa shit is your sense of responsibility for this? we okay, this the funding governor, governor society. i bought a number of, of, of deliverables. one of them, of course, is human rice delivery about submission, etc. i don't know about digital quarterly then is the human developments and the rules of security and the picture, the bishop is really mix. yes. to course, over the last 10 years, african made the point of progress in the area of infrastructure and human development bits of educational, based on his non secured,

no security ever heard of. little is going down and actually why, why is the connection between the 2? that the problem is marginalization of minorities and sometimes a, it's, it's inclusion, a creative assessment. uh. then you have also extend the fact that it's like climate change with your end up with conflicts between they have those of the farmers. and if that's not to manage, it ends up. it's a basic conflict. so that happened in the for i didn't have a claimant on legit 100, but she is then using malicious to sort out the probably that end up and see 100000 people get. so it is, it, is, it mismanagement also of natural disaster habiting because of climate. that's one element you, you said earlier this year we started to see cou data,

which we saw it was something in the past. we started to see this phenomena of a strong man. it's something we need to fight back against. how do you fight these so called strong men who are entrenched in the countries across our african, protected sometimes by foreign policy, often by criminal games that kill for the sake of it. how. how do you fight back against these? i think young young people are looking at what's happening in thoughtful weatherstone. banners, so that for 50 years, encouraged jenna. but she was infection about $430.00 is created for this military organizational. now there's no time off for him to have an army. he committed to the support forces and called him him id. you know, it just hasn't. for him, it is my board fiction and the, the collision center just has an army. his party has him an issue. he had ordered the stuff,

which is just kind of kind of just chords. so to use hit the same kids who grew up on the he's or go to, the guys were dying in the city for the most a. this is a and b will will give us whole because they will not accept the soldier. they would not accept a tyler and he would not accept the death of ships. and you went to just to the, to 3, it is now going solution. so then, because the young people would not accept this or just you, you say i, can you say that you say that? but that's one of the more depressing by products of conflict and bad government says that africans are showing increasing tolerance for the role of military and politics according to afro barometer report. and last month, that view is particularly strongly mentally young people, 18 to 35 year old. after a barometer reported that over the last decade, opposition to military rule has declined significantly. now a slim majority,

there's a majority, is willing to accept military intervention if elected officials abuse the past, that has to be dangerous for them. of course, it least is dangerous. and the problem is you take guinea for example. we have to have a focus on the abusing fall off his power and then trying to deal with the constitution . simplest, the, the, the, the position i'm fed and that a guy who was a democrat before getting paula didn't power gets to his head. and now being def data, when electrical came again, is this guy, you understand why people say, oh, as one's definitely good today to for him. so definitely this important political data heavy to get rid of the really a corner of civilian who really abusing the constitutional end up losing his body. if uh, yeah, if i can get rid of some but then,

but then the problem is you are, you are a blessing, the sucking was a different. i mean that, that is, it doesn't work like that. that's why i, i, us, people need to live that there is also enough to to seek z for of the bad z that's. it's also important to know what you're going for. and this is that instead of ending up mid support, usability, cool again, is that somebody and for to the 2nd but the tim, tim, about about the, the, the, the strong man. unfortunately, this is something we can passion of work. look only in africa. our guys in africa look around, i do see or just feeling meant strong, mean all over the place. you know, and we have something that states will have delta t last. russia will have china web philippines. what,

how many strong men of them? we see this fraction of a strong board is, is coming back again. what about this? i was, i look at this and say all that is wonderful when it comes to do like, or, or the about why i cannot be like to order those. yeah. like and it would be like, yeah, this is a painful, strong man unfortunately. and we need to wake up to that is not an african phenomenon. it's a global phenomena. i'd like to talk back and go back to the bottom of this has taken place since the done at the moment, one to the violence according to the un, which should both sides trampling on humanitarian. go back in 2010. the new york times bureau chief, east africa, reported on how come back in africa had moved from soldier of us a soldier to soldier versus civilian. most of epic, despite, as he said, what bevels with the cause, they but predators. and for them, tara became not just

a means, but an end. to what extent is that still it is. it is unfortunately paper that a number come with some countries or plastic i'll have seen like a blank was in the list in the last few years. unfortunately, we thought we finished, i'm thought that was you cool. you know this era and to 70 sixties and seventies, where every morning we used to have a course i'm living. i think we thought that this finished unfortunate is coming back and something we need to be careful about is send that gave us an extra is a question. i mean, i know it is, it's the visual series. but in all honesty, do we need armies in africa? why do we do that? what does the job of items the item is suppose to protect you on the board? who is it and the african category? so i think i don't have applicant categories to, to have any, was between african countries. i don't recall any,

this is why he lives on this. who's been though, is this money to get those guys, bags and guns an arrow blades. when i want the one to come on to that and yeah, i'm in a moment to to i, i just, i don't think we need it. it is all nice and those guys has big goals as many of them. and then they come much with us in the cabinet that i mean, what's his last week? so those government told the un human rights council that it was basically none of the u. n's business. what was happening inside to done was an internal affair. they said, and the student needs armed forces. so of course of launched attacks. and this strikes intensely populated subsidiaries in the capital, as you said, they were simply doing their constitutional duty. what do you say to a government like that? does it make you angry for the hobby bombing its own people in the capital is just doing its constituted by the government? that's not. that's not a shipment. what causes those guys government? it's the only government they have. i just don't is people just took it by paula by guns. dad looking lifted that note to dr. look about it, but yeah, i mean,

those guys just, you know, making themselves lot of shows in general those on the. busy never things act announcing this while the african states, the data applique on union actually is, is, is suspended. so then that's it. that's all they've done. what else comes into? what is the problem is the applicant here that hasn't well just on the bottom me for a long time in which i just started the force of the epic. i do when the actual the finance should be on, then it is able to go and deal with all of those claim and those of dental risk and whatever. unfortunately, ethic under that hasn't, hasn't called yet, she has plenty of good. you. the tensions doesn't to produce doesn't realize all the motor power. what happens assignments for guns by one and t. 20. yes. what happens? what? what about 6, what is accounts for the plastic? i know double security because why does this including accounts? i think a lot of people have forgotten about the schedule cause is defined by the veto, is that the 5 problems i guess is finalized. but what is the whole bubbly,

or is it a mess? the whole public, the whole, the whole world of this, you know, or is it global instruction? i miss you create accounts. it is important. cannot do anything. yeah. for can you open the thesis? they don't have the means talk. so they've had all the extra bliss. i think he's more of the wage which included the codes have kind of even things. so we're not seeing much of that as for rest, hold on. no, the, this is that, did it in friend, this is i did it. we have the conference, 2 weeks of all i've had most of our keywords or now guys in the conference and just clear what the stand ones we want to do at that. if it's, if it is, comes to kind of go through their cars, not even, but it's on obedient. and what's going on for them shift for you have access all over the come to the you. have you talk to either of the generals that are causing this concept and so down at the moment i know i,

i don't have enough common ground even to start the conversation. i believe was these guys have given us the shouldn't i've been to take will they if i to i hold. ready i hope so. what's the, what's the chance of? it was one day. it would come one day look. but she had ended up in prison. i literally said, oh, what, but, but she unnecessary, nobody can touch him. he wasn't prison. so what happened to court? what happened to african quotes, pushing for african solutions, and offering african accountability by what happened to that i thought from guinea and central african republic, where the trial, i think, is important to support the i. c. i o projected to there's an attempt to blair's eyes as he was an advocate the court i so i don't think that was the right decision actually. and again, you look at the weight that quote was good, you too, which is which is cannot. it cannot, but it's cute but is it is yes,

i came on cells in the other 2 for me to go back here. so i asked, i said, why is i yeah. is this going to end up really persecuting taxi drivers and official men, but they're not my good, it's gotta do that. why was a special court? it just city, just some visits wants to executive sense from vice and see, and that was a bundle of what to do. i'm sorry about that. so there are no quick fixes for this was done that's going on and it will spread to the region. so maybe spread to well west stuff. what has that? what about south? so don, is that next? okay, is it a different institution? so, so that i've come to it, but i think we cannot give up, but then we'll have to deal with it quickly before the fire splits, who it was, all these will continue to hold. what i mean as it is very encouraging to see united states is involved. so you gotta be as involved,

both of them factors show something i think i knew and yeah, this involved and yeah, this involved, the cost is invalid. so our messages, yeah. most of those guys would have to be conference in there will be our foundation. i know those guys was there and the message to everybody is we need to speak with one voice now or the other voice or the nearby cancer. this was one voice, and we need to ensure that we would this fire out. we need to buy an any exports of items to the division of death. and we need to attend be able to look either we have or where to go often. you. so, you talked earlier about foreign armies being in african countries. i think there are 13 foreign armies actually at the moment in various african countries. how healthy do you think it is for africans to, to welcome in rushes, musson to the group. of course, the bottom, the, for instance, notorious in ukraine and not expanding its footprint across from tops of students

on accept them. and you'll notice who invited them many communities in the number of western countries. this being comes to nation, that some african countries have been ambivalent to, in the case of south africa, mutual over russia's invasion of ukraine. is this payback for the west for the, for the wrongs of the colonial era is that while i know the rule is the community that templates be fact judge illusion. america is usually called for the a, a good game in the violation of the silver and t. but why does i can see, have you create of your claim? and many african people said choose me. what did america do? any of that was actually good. was that not breach of security?

so over the over lots of countries. so why did they condemn both but from us to woods. this is a new show for what was a little bit media on lice. i think you had mentioned how would you sort of a new ocean because your money objected to the invasion of that i what is one for us to which is it is usually because any excuse me, you have here, correct. that is neutral. really the side effect, the that's kind of use your boy. i thought as it is, i the collection of rules or those you can me, the out of the who's only applies to russia. look us this look, be hey, book this is appropriate. this is the problem we need to look at the middle or sometimes and the relies. what do we say and what you do? what happens in libya would then blogs is category we never would have to be able

to get. is that acceptable? what do you make? look i, i, let's, let's be honest and dealing with this stuff. so it looked like the width is the wyatt on or the mac, nobody side. okay. so, so don't lift. you don't collection of other people and say you look icon them. and i think it is a problem is i'll acceptable for russia to video created. and there's no question but in the same place, i'll call them american invasion of, of that because this is, is equivalence. and we need to remember that, i just hope that people, when you talk about the natural rules, this applies to everybody, you know, exceptionally, molly. but what do you make of america's charge last week that south africa had loaded onto a sanctioned russian freighter?

if you make of that child i, i'm really confused exactly as to why the bus and i apologize. but we only have south africa's version for saying he apologized that he didn't know what was your tell. he didn't apologize in public. oh, i saw a guy who wrote that in bbc website actually that he didn't, i know south africa says he apologize to that but, but then they denied the judge. but when it, when they did denied, the wording was on big us. they said, we didn't approve any arms to russia. it wasn't sanctioned or approved by us. i suggest that was something to some place that i paid with would. i'm afraid that a se advocate has a number of issues i think and where is easy. where is the government? i think in c, broberg we is losing it's,

it's a grip on power effectively as it some somewhere today that is possible. is that the, for the, even though that we have of what happens. they cannot admit that because they say ok, this is terrible. if he's at with, i'd say the light is also terrible. i've that made a comfortable song. i was also a medical reports now a more accurate zone before. uh, i mean, drink act. it has a web, as of mazda of a section on the, which is the cam, would obviously actually budgeting throat in the world. the amenities have been very accurate and they bought it. so i did it well, it's not. and i don't know what does it to us of what happened there. but i notice these are to innovation of governments in south africa was big public about this.

right? in the time we have left, we talked a lot about what african countries have or haven't done. what do you, what the west fate briefly, what do you want the west to do? 5. i think i think the west need really to we have in a much with our way, look at what is happening here. go with the game and we'll have to be probably only it will be on the that's 20. you'll be a lead, an applicant leads of signed and that's out of published in 50. nobody see if, unless everybody see if i think i need support, we need to $100000000.00 budget and then nothing happens. good with but no the, it's nothing done. then we will hold, holding coffee next to the nationalist and this other seeing the guys even in our head surface and the support, nothing a good. and that was the,

the bad behavior tv. but at this job, because then then we'll see if this everybody's see if they know that so right. know and gauge now for the same as i know it's after you left for the summit. 60 you africa. so yeah, that's what this you have to confirm. it was good it, but you can see the different color. that's very important. look at the after got that. so there's no cover it $2300.00. out of said yes, everyone getting money in america, us an in brick and also seen is $23.00 young dollars off against the money. okay. and now does it face what is happening when you create has a problem? when greece has a financial problem, the bank immediately searches out now what's happening in zambia, what's happening instead of the other 2 years? does it act?

and you want them to close that, um and you want them to come down also on the list it cache and this is find the lowest, the $100000000000.00 a $100000000000.00 they get most. let me not advocate will wisdom companies sunday night and price me back on the best pricing and broke it down. you know, a lot of shifting and you know that i'm sick, i just want you to act so with these really the bits of the heavy i'm from our friends and the list. so it is a bit out of when it or them who did have a bit of financial institution because these financial institution, i'm not said of in this house that dominated by width and most of the, you know, some ideas on the boards, etc. there's no voice in the board decision institutions from the guys and supposed to be the customer to decline. so this of this balance, that's why these banks would focus on greece or focusing on your credit,

right. but so the lack of where to submit to the board that doesn't know what is what does that be a small even we run out of time. thank you very much indeed. i don't think so. that's the just thank you. the

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