the, the only way i can be on the top is to create my own empire, discover stories to just to click away during the destination, right. sign this document trees before slide. now. okay. name treat us as confirmed as spa distribution and the so called international fighter jet coordination that includes countries like the u. k, the netherlands, belgium, denmark, and bought to go to europe and countries. canals supply you plan with f. 165. acronyms us with a non supply them yet. but we're training agreement finance on f. 16 and the week

off the g 7 summit in 0, your module bivens of all systems and gave his approval on his worldwide tool from south area to japan. this was perhaps the most significant success for presidents and in ski. and it comes at the time when russia claims to have captured by quote, an eastern new frame. so, on to the point, we are asking f sixteens for ukraine. why do they my, to the hello and welcome to, to the point, i'm you shop. how do i sign in here in berlin? ukraine is set to receive more munition from maple members. in yet another effort to counter the russian invasion of took on the dogs. now ukraine will receive 5 digits, and during this time does better. i have 3 incredible guests with me today. and we

have got to look at. she is a journalist, i'm seeing advanced write up. she has walked as a foreign correspondent in both the us and russia for the gentleman magazine stem. next on the bottom of the we have got another voice con vista. he's retired from the gentleman army and walks as a defense and security policy expired. and joining us from our headquarters in bon and strawman gunshot ankle menu if you know him by mail. romano is from ukraine. he has been reporting continuously ever since the war broke out last year in ukraine. a very well, i'm going to come to you all the thank you for joining coffee. i'd like to start with you. now discussions have been going on around these aircraft sort of a long time. but for us this has been a complete no go. so what has changed or across i to jets has been on

the wish list of the ukrainian government for many, many, many months. and that's certainly true. it was a no go for all the countries for a long time, but what we see happening and developing now is more and more information and more and more cautiousness when it comes to possible offensive successes of the ukranian army. everybody is awaiting the so called counter offensive the spring or offensive. but many experts would claim that the strength of forces, of the ukrainian army would not hold for a very, very, very long time because the russian army, in spite of all falls and in spite of all this success sort of se, ms. successes is due there. and they have been printing in,

and they have lots of people. they can still mobilize. so it's a military sign. the west, the political west was stand with ukraine when it comes to military support. and it's certainly an important political sign that the political west will be with ukraine as long as it takes, as long as, as it takes instructional touch on such roles, put it, talking of change is now defense experts have been talking about a lot of technical problems as well because of which f 16 should not be delivered for those technical reasons. the still valid they, as i'm technically the reasons i really do is at the moment for us to thank you very much for having me here on the show. thank you. but i would like to say something on both cartridges. is that about this red lines you attempted to that? what all the red lines are they're referring to a certain weapon systems or are referring to a strategic effects?

i think the last one is right and strategic effects a bit when you come to a certain weapon, systems might change in the cause of what the, what the biden was concerned about. and by the way, it was a child specialist or present in my car was or was an effective, could escalate the wall and could drag nature into the wall. that means the red line was all it was on long range systems that could have an impact on russian so on truly a russian source. and one might of course say in the long run they will try union, they a f us needs to be replies to have a stuff with a lot of losses. and on the long run and i underlined the long run, they really need to new aircraft. and none of that come to the technical expressions, how long does it last call does? does it take the be, have to speak about training, training upon is tags. yes, of course experience comes on, pallets need to change systems, but even that takes many months. and then we speak about the logistics,

the infrastructure, the protect from the called, the nation risk defense systems. and finally, about that happened because of f l u depends on the road. so in vitro show this a tough be applied, and that means you look at certain countries that fly the craft, f, 16 and the american aircraft. and the us president has decided 1st to lift a to allow the export to those countries will fly the f. 16, not so many, but a number of nato congress and a 2nd. he has all are allowed to try and deposits in us as other countries have done before, but it doesn't mean that he has taken the decision to deliver f sixteens. that is something maybe for the future of the signal is clear to it most ago. we will uh, stand by the oprah in, even if the wall directs on and even if it logs into the next year and it will probably in shall be in that position to defend itself. when you come back to the

deliveries, i'd like to go back and go to rome on romano. we've just heard about the red line and this is something that we've been heading about since the beginning of the war . now this red line, it keeps changing. every time we hear it should not be crossed. but there is the come by, the military weapons that are the dang smelled as the aircraft. how do you see those developing in the next months? would there be something else? no, as well. um, it's an interesting question. uh, we've heard about friend lines for years from russian president vladimir poaching before the invasion from other sources, russian officials, and a few days ago, a russian propagandist said we should stop talking about red lines which are just to stop talking about them because it's, it's not not important anymore, it's clear that the west is crossing those lines she wrote. so let's just, um, uh, sheets are ukranian um, west west and uh, weapons that, that ukraine is receiving. it was destroy them and stopped talking about the red

lines. so, and it's also an issue where you can, you can have this so sure what exactly is the red line because the rest already delivered. so my new weapons through your grand legislative it fight to jets of soviet type like mic 29. um, so uh it now it's west and 5 to just the better than the soviet ones. but still they are afraid to just both a 5 to just both get both going to be used in this war. and it is not really a game changer. so this will not lead to ukraine winning swiftly in this war. it's so long war and i totally agree with um, west and military unless like michael kaufman or a rob lee who wrote in for an if as a few days ago, there is no silver bullet. so it's a long while and the rest would prepare ukraine for long will. and this means training and this means long term deliveries of weapons. but still, it is also a very symbolic and important decision for the west to prepare your grain to use f

sixteens because, or ukraine is still then there is a great discrepancy between russian and ukrainian f forces and ukrainian and russian army in general. so the sports, 1st of all the opinion, air force in a better position to fight and disputes. also, you're bringing in a better position to fight like large scale military operations. i am sure there will be not just one, but several accounts or concepts. and for that to be successful, ukraine needs a cover, and this is what it's all about. it's a long war and f sixteens might not be the game changer. best and allies have been pressing the be able to keep supporting your train for as long as it takes and the job items announcement that the g 7 that the us will not stop allies from supplying f. 16 so you came might look like a sudden move fact remains that discussions around the 5 digits have been going on since at least the beginning of the ukraine will get fighter jets after

all us president joe biden made this commitment to ukraine at the g summit. in japan, i told the united states, together with our allies and partners, it's going to begin training. ukrainian pilots and 4th generation fighter aircraft including f. 16 to strengthen ukraine's air force as part of a long term commitment to cranes ability to defend itself. even though there has been no official discussion of supplying the jets, joe biden has now cleared the past. as the manufacturing country of the of 16 jets . the us has a key role to play because it must have proved delivery to other countries. that's exactly what the so called fighter jet coalition, led by the netherlands and the united kingdom is demanding. they say countries that can't supply these claims themselves could provide pilot training and munition or fuel. instead,

germany has not yet taken a position on this coalition, but pressure is mounting on the chancellor. how important are the fighter jets for the rest of the war? for how long you've already started doing out a game changer? now statistics are saying that the ukraine has lost about 40 percent off. it's blame since the beginning of the war already that are bought into the more pilots right now than planes. how does keys see this? does it have a plan deal the time the new aircraft are delivered? how is keep going to tackle the situation as well? your credit is am very eager to start training those training of pilots and then to receive those jets may be in the coming months. and you can use also waiting, for example, for us main battle tanks or abrams tanks and rooms on one,

which will probably also come late in, in summer. why it is important. so let's continue about talking about this. um, when, when i'm a visiting ukraine, i'm a, what was try to talk to clinton military and also what they need. do you really need f sixteens? i ask them, they said yes, but we understand this is, this is, this is nice thing for us. but what we need really is artillery. we need more things, and this is what the rest is delivering. why f sixteens us are important because they give the ukraine the opportunity to use long range missiles. and just a few weeks, u. k. has announced that it delivers the brain storm shadow missiles that are being launched from the soviet jets. now they could be launched from a sixteen's, maybe the westwood today, but also other types of missiles that are a lot of them. and on do a few of them can be used with the soviet aircraft. so given ukraine west on type, more than a fight to jets makes and you can put, you can in

a position to use much more a long range weapons. and this is, this is one of the major differences and biggest problems for the opinion of it because of russia can strike ukraine up to 2000 kilometers away. so russian planes, strategic boomers ascending missiles through ukraine offline summer, over the caspian sea, far far away. and you can kind of do anything about it. russia can destroy ukraine, invitation, deposed on the polish border. and it does so every few days. and you can kind of do anything about it. but with receiving those missiles and receiving the fight, a jet ukraine is put in a position to, to attack russian munition depos everywhere on the statutory. and this is a huge step forward for ukraine. you know, me, right. well, i understand the important phillips gave asking for 200 of them, but there's still no road my veto nevada. exactly going to come from when they are going to get delivered water phillips ki, exactly, looking forward to what is the plan?

i think we have to understand what the role of this aircraft is about. the role of a signal is that the best as a is given. as we have discussed, we have to talk about training, logistics, infrastructure, equipment, arguments, etc. and that takes months. that means in my view, and this decision will not be the silver bullet bullet said for this year, maybe it's a long term cigna and it shows most call it demonstrated. so most call that the rest we are not a see is to a sub pump, ultra in and will bring or is it will try, you know, if i was in a position to defend the oprah in the territory when it comes to 0. and so i have some problems because as we're one rightly funded, all the russians, you will spend a weapons. that means that they live out there long range weapons, all the russians. or in other words, if there should be a defensive role, that might be very difficult, then we have to expect that russia really it was as a trust in the old fashioned way and drops are involved somewhere directly on the battlefield. then you have a chance to show them don't,

but this is not the point here. it's also difficult to short on, for example, missiles, or a cruise missiles may be, you know, in a good condition. but the real role for f 16 is a tech is, is a tech, and it has a range of combat. the range of between 8 and 900 kilometers here. come the glorious and the rest. don't use it as stopped before the russian, sorry, i don't use it or do it to hit russian targets. i would agree with the roman. yes. uh they. okay. and then the official, those will be in a position for us to replace last aircraft. we shall to remember that they will create installed, that was around $100.00 a 20 aircraft. then it'll come up there are covered under the stats to and has got to have for the 1st and last us. so that has to be replaced the replies by some polish and other soviet type aircraft, like mic 29. the know we talk about use systems. and indeed this a storm shadow. the, the,

creating an f us could then have stand off weapons and deliver these weapons result directly attacking that might be easier for them at the same time. it is also sometimes stationed there, and that is of all right. and the rest 3 that really use the range of the aircraft plus as the end of capability. and i think we have a and by the said, the, i've got the problem is by that we're getting inside. we don't do that. they will not use the to die, but anything on the russian. so yeah, exactly, and this is why we have to acknowledge that we in the political west, we face of, lemme a problem. we cannot solve, we claim and it's the, it's the, it's the promise to societies in the west. the nato countries will not be direct into this war on the one hand, so we need to avoid escalation. on the other hand, we understand the protein is in there on the for the long term. he will

not give up. he was not stopped. so we need to support ukraine to be able to defend herself. and we need to discuss the question, maybe not today, maybe not this year, but in the time to come with the ukraine would be part also of the military west of nato, as a defensive. how do you see job and needs an oil change in here? and i know how many does not have f sixteens, but it still needs to have a position you can, doesn't have succeeds eva. and all of charles has been very kinds of rid of about sending thanks. as of silence, he met him listening to meet was able to have any influence over. i mean, um durham in his position is clear. i mean, we are the 2nd biggest deliver on country when it comes to military and infrastructure and financial and humanitarian support. it's not nothing. and the

2700000000 euro a package that was signed wednesday. lensky came just recently is, is not on your political cigna. it's a, it's military help on a technical and strategic basis. so i wouldn't, you know, i wouldn't mingle everything with the f. 16 question that we are in with all the risks and all of the problems involved. i think this is quite clear and especially as the 10 specialists put it, dooms events, keys, wizard. there will be no peace dictated by the russian side. that's was his announcement and we are there as long as it takes. that's a commitment. not just all off shows. below the muse saelens sky has met a number of all leaders recently. he has been on a wall tool from europe to solve the area to jump on. he has practically be every

bit a little mirror. zalinski receives a hero's welcome. wherever he goes, most recently in japan, among the ranks of the world's g 7 leaders between multiple bilateral conversations where he pled for support and weapons before that he stopped over in saudi arabia for the era. bleak summit where he was hard pressed to find support because many arabic nations are more closely aligned with russia. and i'm also sure, well your nations will understand the main goal. i want to live here in canada and noble, cool to all of you to help protect our people, including you create in mosley communities. zalinski has made stops in rome, paris, london, amberlynn. despite the security risks, apparently,

the ukranian president has switched his comm strategy as preparations for the expected spring offensive or underway in his homeland. he now lies on direct contact with his partners in place of using video messages, charm instead of a military offensive. how successful is the lensky sleepless city tor? from on for landscape stands out wherever he goes, and the various reasons for that he does not dress up like a president who dresses up like a soldier. he use of local references. in hiroshima, he talked about the nuclear danger in jet that he talked about ukrainian muslims. you've been following him for the last 15 months. how do you see silence? can now watch the salon sky 15 months back, as well as he has changed completely before the russian invasion. he was criticized by many in ukraine and some saw him still as an old, professional politician, but off to the invasion. he was also criticized for uh for um,

not taking seriously at least in the public uh the us intelligence reports about the russian invasion, which was in the months before a rush on did that step. so, um, off of that to change completely and into a lot of people in ukraine think that he's the right man on the right place. so he managed to communicate to the west. how important this war is, how important it is to support ukraine. and we've seen that since last december, he started traveling, he went 1st to the united states, then to the united kingdom, to poland, to countries which are supporting ukraine. and he finally came to germany a few few days ago, which is also very, very important. but just because germany has become a country, number 3 in supporting your crime in this war. and of course he's doing this uh no, just because he, he's the president of a, or will country. he knows that ukraine is on the eve of very dramatic events.

ukraine is preparing an offensive, which will be bloody for the ukrainian army. and he wants to make sure the 2 kind will receive all the weapons. it needs to be successful. and he wants also to be sure that ukraine will receive more weapons after these offensive because that will be other offensive to come. and uh, there is also um, the fios uh or concerns that uh, with the united states presidential campaign. the approaching that uh the western aide might be, might come slower, maybe that will come less um, what your credit is expecting. so the landscape is trying to make sure that this will not happen. and the due credit will not push into a kind of a cease fire, which will be a practical win for logging me, put in a little him, put him, put him in a position. there are some presidents to say that so we can consolidate our games. so we have ok by large box of your brain and we can keep it. this is the hope in most go. well, he's not only going to country, is that a football game?

ok. he has a plan to also go as far as in india is ro, is he putting himself in danger? i don't think that he is putting himself in danger here does arising from his perspective. the point here is that all sides have over or under estimated the effects of that war. the russians have under estimate that they will try in universal, to defend and divest on unity. and we might have under estimated the resilience of the arms industries of russia and the big reserves and quantity at least. and here comes to a point when we want to have some more impact of our sanctions, the rest has decided upon. then of course, the rest hopes into landscape hopes that the globe as long as we're going, what we're joined by the global sizes doesn't joined. the global solves that. this is your, of all the war between the northern countries, the old colonial countries. that's not all we have, other bar is be effected by this war and we don't want the global confrontation. so here's the skepticism that'd be here from the arab league, for example,

home the african union from india, and as a congress. and that's why silence gets us the right thing is not looking into the future and thinks, what are the concerns i have to deal with is if the board directs on next year and the year after enrollment is right. the 1st andrea is here, the us presidential election. we don't know who move in. and the 2nd one is this global functions don't function. and this is what the ocean, the a g 7 summit in hiroshima brought up. and the want to try to, to, to 45, so to speak, the sanctions. i don't believe it will be successful so. so landscape does what is necessary to have you have on last minute left. last question now. felons. he is going everywhere trying to make new friends without supporting is well, it's really in prison in his own country. he can go out because of a i c. c isn't going to frustrate him all, or i'm not sure whether it's going to frustrating more because we might look at him

sitting, you know, as a lonely person being, you know, in his own world, having a historical mission to restore the russian empire. and that's all a look from the, from the west also from the political west. many of the countries look at this a completely different. and china certainly is one of them. and one of the major of the countries who see this war as a chance to start building this new world order to tonic shifts that we in the political west. but i fear i'm not fully aware of so far. thank you. so just saving f sixteens on training pilots is just one fault of the whole picture. ukraine will also have to overcome how do

regarding logistics and maintenance of these backgrounds. that's sixteen's with a certain degree of ukraine, a lot of the boost, but really big change the cost of the water. if you're watching else on youtube, youtube to let us know your thoughts. thanks for watching. good by the, the, the

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