7 percent, the platform for advocacy issues and share ideas. the you know, or the side that would be a north of bridge attach and send it to the top of applicants. population is moving fast. and young people clearly have the solutions. the future is 77 percent every weekend on dw, the us has confirmed that spot distribution and the so called international fight, the jet coordination that includes countries like the u. k, the netherlands, belgium, denmark, and bought to go to europe and countries, canal supply. you plan with f. 165, the crowds us with a non supply them yet. but we're training ukraine in finance on f. 16. and the week

off the g 7 summit in futile. sure. module biden's of all systems and gave his approval on his worldwide tool from saudi arabia to japan. this was perhaps the most significant success for presidents and in scale. and it comes at the time, spend russia claims to have captured by an eastern new frame. so on to the point, we are asking f sixteens for ukraine. why do they monitor the hello and welcome to, to the point, i mean, i guess on him here in berlin. ukraine is set to receive more ammunition from me to members in yet another effort to counter the nation and vision of took on by the dogs. now you can in the safe side,

the jets and to understand those better. i have 3 incredible guests with me today. we have got a little guy, she is joining us and fee advance right up. she has walked as a foreign correspondent in both the us and russia for the gentleman magazine stem. next on the bottom other we have got another voice con vista. he's retired from the gentleman army and walks as a defense and security policy expired. and joining us from our headquarters in bon and strawman gunshot ankle menu if you know him by mail from on is from ukraine. he has been reporting continuously ever since the war broke out last year in ukraine. a very well, i'm going to come to you all the thank you for joining coffee. i'd like to start with you. now discussions have been going on around these actually. i was told a very long time, but for us this has been a complete no go. so what has changed across fighter jets has been on

the wish list of the premium government for many, many, many months. and that's certainly true. it was a no go for all the countries for a long time, but what we see happening and developing now is more and more information and more and more cautiousness when it comes to possible offensive successes of the ukranian army. everybody is awaiting the so called counter offensive the spring or offensive. but many experts would claim that the strength of forces, of the ukrainian army would not hold for a very, very, very long time because the russian army, in spite of all falls and in spite of all the success. so it's

a mis successes is due there. and they have been printing in, and they have lots of people. they can still mobilize. so it's a military sign. the west, the political west was stand with ukraine when it comes to military support. and it's certainly an important political sign that the political west will be with ukraine as long as it takes of close as it takes exactly touch on such shows. but it talking off changes. now defense experts have been talking about a lot of technical problems as well. because of which f 16 should not be delivered for those technical reasons, the still valid the as i'm technically the reasons i really do is at the moment for us to thank you very much for having me here on the show. thank you. but i would like to say something on both cartridges. is that about this red lines you attempted to that? what all the red lines are they're referring to

a certain weapon systems or are referring to a strategic effects? i think the last one is right and strategic effects a bit when you come to a certain environment, systems might change in the cause of what the, what the binding was concerned about. and by the way, it was a child specialist or present in my car was or was an effective, could escalate the wall and click drag nato into the go. that means the red line was all it was on long range systems that could have an impact on russian saw it on truly a russian source. and one might of course say in the long run they will try you in the air force needs to be replaced to have a stuff at the lot of losses. and on the long run and i underlined the long run, they really need to new aircraft. and none of that come to the technical expressions, how long does it last? how does, does it take the be, have to speak about training, training upon is tags. yes, of course. experience comes on, pallets need to change systems,

but even that takes many months. and then we speak about the logistics, the infrastructure protection, the called the nation risk defense systems. and finally about the rep and rate. because the webinar here depends on the road. so in vitro or short this of a tough be applied. and that means you look at certain countries that fly the craft, f, 16 and american aircraft. and the us president has decided 1st to lift a to allow the export to those countries will fly the 16. not so many, but a number of nitro congress and a 2nd. he has all are allowed to try and deposits in the rest as other countries have done before, but it doesn't mean that he has taken the decision to deliver f sixteens. that is something maybe for the future. the signal is clear to it most ago. we will uh, stand by the oprah in, even if the wall directs on and even if it los into the next year and it will

probably in shall be in that position to defend itself. really come back to the deliveries. i'd like to go back to the roman real mind. we've just heard about the red line, and this is something that we've been hearing about since the beginning of the war . now this red line, it keeps changing every time we hear it should not be crossed. but um, that is the combat military weapons that are the dang smelled as the aircraft. how do you see those developing in the next months? would there be something else now as well? um it's an interesting question. uh, we've heard about friend lines for years, from references and blogging that puts in before the invasion from other sources, russian officials. and i'm a few days ago, a russian propagandist said we should stop talking about red lines which are just to stop talking about them because it's, it's not not important anymore. it's clear that the west is crossing those lines she wrote. so let's just, um, uh sheets are ukranian um, west west and uh,

weapons that, that your grand news receiving it was destroy them and stopped talking about the red lines. so, and it's also an issue where you can, you can have this so sure. what exactly is the red line because the rest already delivered, so my new weapons through your grand legislative it fight to jets of soviet type. like mic 29. um, so uh it now it's west and 5 to just the better than the soviet ones. but still they are afraid to just both a 5 to just both get both going to be used in this war. and it is not really a game changer. so this will not lead to ukraine winning swiftly in this war. it's so long. war and um, i totally agree with um, west and military unless like michael kaufman or a rob lee who wrote in for and if as a few days ago, there is no silver bullet. so it's a long while and the rest would prepare ukraine for a long while. and this means training and this means long to deliveries of weapons

. but still, it is also a very symbolic and important decision for the west to prepare your grain to use f sixteens because, or ukraine is still on. there is a great discrepancy between russian and ukrainian air forces and ukrainian, or russian army in general. so the sports, 1st of all, the of cranium, air force in a better position to fights and disputes. also, you're bringing in a better position to fight like large scale military operations. i am sure there will be no just one, but several accounts are offensive. and so that to be successful, ukraine needs a cover, and this is what is all about. it's a long war and ethics teams might not be the game changer. best and allies have been pressing the been able to keep supporting your training for as long as it takes and the job items announcement of the g 7 that the us will not stop allies from supplying f 16 so ukraine might look like a sudden move fact remains that discussions around the 5 digits have been going on

since at least the beginning of the you cream will get fighter jets after all. us president joe biden made this commitment to ukraine at the g summit in japan. i told the united states, together with our allies and partners, it's going to begin training. ukrainian pilots in 4th generation fighter aircraft including f. 16 to strengthen ukraine's air force as part of a long term commitment to cranes ability to defend itself. even though there has been no official discussion of supplying the jet, joe biden has now cleared the past. as the manufacturing country of the of 16 jets, the us has a key role to play because it must have proved delivery to other countries. that's exactly what the so called fighter jet coalition, led by the netherlands and the united kingdom is demanding. they say countries that can't supply these claims themselves could provide pilot training, ammunition,

or fuel. instead, germany have not yet taken a position on this coalition, but pressure is mounting on the chancellor. how important are the fighter jets for the rest of the war? for how long you've already said they're not a game changer. not started sticks are saying that the ukraine has last about 40 percent off. it's blame since the beginning of the war already that are about into the more pilots right now than planes. how does keys see this? does it have a plan through the time the new aircraft are delivered? how is keep going to tackle the situation as well as your grand is? am very eager to start training those training of pilots and then to receive those jets may be in the coming months. and you can use also waiting, for example, for us main battle tanks or abrams tanks and rooms on one,

which will probably also come late in, in summer. why it is important. so let's continue about talking about this. um, when, when i'm a visiting ukraine, i'm a, what was try to talk through a grant in military and ask what they need. do you really need f sixteens? i ask them. they said yes, but we understand this is, this is, this is the nice thing for us, but what we need really is artillery. we need more things. and this is what the rest of delivering, why essex things us are important because they give the ukraine the opportunity to use long range missiles. and just a few weeks, u. k. has announced that it delivers the grain stone shadow missiles that are being launched from the soviet jets. now they could be launched from a sixteen's, maybe the westwood leave. are also other types of muscles that are a lot of them. and only a few of them can be used with the soviet aircraft. so given ukraine west on type more than a 5 digits i am makes and you can put your brand new position to use much more

a long range weapons. and this is, this is one of the major differences and biggest problems for the ukranian on it, because russia can strike ukraine up to 2000 kilometers away. so russian planes are strategic boomers and sending missiles to ukraine offline summer over the caspian sea. far, far away and you can kind of do anything about it. russia can destroy your kind invitation to post on the police board. and it does so every few days. and you can kind of do anything about it, but was receiving those missiles and receiving the fight. the jets ukraine is put in a position to, to attack russian munition to pose everywhere on its territory. and this is a huge step forward for you. can you know me? right. well, i understand the important feelings gave asking for 200 of them, but that's still no road, my veto nevada. exactly wanting to come from when they are going to get delivered.

what to sell in ski, exactly. looking forward to what is the plan? i think we have to understand what the role of this aircraft is about. the role of a signal is the best as a is giving. as we have discussed, we have to talk about training, logistics, infrastructure, equipment, arguments, etc. and that takes months. that means in my view, and this decision will not be the silver bullet bullet said for this year. maybe it's a long term cigna. and it shows most ago, it demonstrated some us call that the rest we are not a see is to a sub pump of train and will bring or is was it will let you know if i was in a position to defend the oprah in the territory. when it comes to 0, it's, i have some problems because as one rightly funded all the russians, you will stand or weapons. that means to deliver the long range weapons over the russians. or in other words, if there should be a defensive role, that might be very difficult, then we have to expect that russia really use as a trust in the old fashioned way and drops are involved somewhere directly on the

battlefield. then you have a chance to show them don't, but this is not the point here. it's also difficult to short on, for example, missiles, or a cruise missiles may be, you know, in a good condition. but the real role for f 16 is a tech is, is attack of and it has a range of combat range of between 8 and 900 kilometers here. come the glorious and the rest on. do you, is it a stop before the russian? sorry, i don't use it or i do have to hit the russian targets. i would agree with the roman. yes. uh the okay. and then the official, those will be in a position for us to replace last aircraft. we shall to remember that they will create install did was around $100.00 a 20 aircraft. they're going to come up there are covered under both stopped to and has gone to 40 percent losses. so that has to be replaced, replaced by some polish, and other saga type aircraft. like mic 29. i know it, we talk about your systems and indeed there's

a storm shadow there. they are creating an f us could then have stand off up ends and deliver these weapons result directly attacking that might be easier for them at the same time. it is also sometimes stationed there, and that is of all right. and the rest 3, the really use the range of the aircraft plus is the end of capability. and i think we have and buttons that the i've got. the problem is by that we're drawing inside . we don't do that today but not for you to drive anything on the russian side. yeah, exactly, and this is what we have to acknowledge that we in the political west, we face of, lemme a problem. we cannot solve, we claim, and it's the, it's the, it's the promise to societies in the west. the nato countries will not be direct into this war on the one hand, so we need to avoid escalation. on the other hand,

we understand the 14 is in there on the for the long term. he will not give up. he was not stopped. so we need to support ukraine to be able to defend himself. and we need to discuss the question, maybe not today, maybe not this year, but in the time to come with the ukraine would be part also of the military west of nato, as a defensive. how do you see jovan needs an oil change in here? and i do how many does not have f sixteens, but it still needs to have a position you can, doesn't have it succeeds eva. and all our shows has been very conservative about sending thanks. as the silence the met him recently was able to have any influence over. i mean german, his position is clear. i mean, we are the 2nd biggest deliver a country when it comes to military and infrastructure and financial,

and humanitarian support. it's not nothing. and the 2700000000 euro a package that was signed wednesday. lensky came just recently is, is not on your political signal. it's if it's military help on a technical and strategic basis. so i wouldn't, you know, i wouldn't, mingo, everything with the f. 16 question that we are in with all the risks and all of the problems and involved. i think this is quite clear, and especially as the 10th specialist put it, june's events, keys, wizard. there will be no peace dictated by the russian side. this was his announcement and we are there as long as it takes, that's a commitment and not just off shows. below the muse saelens sky has met a number of all leaders. recently. he has been on the wall tool from europe to

solve the area to define. he has practically be every bit a little mirror. zalinski receives a hero's welcome wherever he goes. most recently in japan, among the ranks of the world's g 7 leaders between multiple bilateral conversations where he pled for support and weapons before that he stopped over in saudi arabia for the aero bleak summit where he was hard pressed to find support because many air of nations are more closely aligned with russia. and i'm also sure, well your nations will understand the main goal. i want to live here in jetta and noble goal to all of you to help protect our people, including ukrainian mosley community. zelinski has made stops in rome, paris, london, amberlynn. despite the security risks, apparently,

the ukrainian president has switched his comm strategy as preparations for the expected spring offensive or underway in his homeland. he now lies on direct contact with his partners in place of using video messages, charm instead of a military offensive. how successful is zalinski publicity? tor? from on for landscape stands out wherever he goes. and the various reasons for that . he does not dress up like a president. he dresses up like a soldier who use of local references. in hiroshima, he talked about the new tier, danger and jet that he talked about ukraine and muslims. you've been following him for the last 15 months. how do you see silence? can now watch the southern sky 15 months back, as well as he has changed completely before the russian invasion. he was criticized by many in ukraine and some saw him still as an old, professional politician, but off to the invasion. he was also criticized for uh for not taking seriously,

at least in the public uh, the us intelligence reports about the russian invasion, which was in the months before a rush. i did that step. so um, off of that to change completely and into a lot of people in ukraine think that he is the right to man on the right place. so he managed to communicate to the west. how important this war is, how important it is to support ukraine. and we've seen that since last december, he started traveling. he went 1st to the united states, then to the united kingdom, to poland, 2 countries which are supporting ukraine. and he finally came to germany a few a few days ago, which is also very, very important. but just because germany has become a country, number 3 in supporting ukraine in this war. and, and of course he's doing this uh no, just because he, he's the president of a war country. he knows that ukraine is on the eve of very dramatic events. ukraine

is preparing an offensive which will be very bloody for the ukrainian army. and he wants to make sure the 2 kind will receive all the weapons, it needs to be successful. and he wants also to be sure that you can, will receive more weapons after these offensive because that will be other offensive to come. and uh, there is also um, the fios uh or concerns that uh, with the united states presidential campaign reproaching um that, uh, the western aide might be, might come slower. maybe that will come less um, what your credit is expecting. so the landscape is trying to make sure that this will not happen, and the due credit will not push into a kind of a ceasefire, which will be a practical winful vladimir puts in and in the team, putting in a position. there are some presidents to say that so we can consolidate our games, so we have ok by large parts of your brain and we can keep it. this is the hope in

most cool. well finally here's not only going to country, is that a football game? ok, he has a plan to also go as far as in india is row. is he putting himself in danger? i don't think that he is putting himself in danger here does arising from his perspective. the point here is that all the sites have over or under estimated the effects of that war. the russians have under estimate that they will try in universal, defend and divest on unity. and we might have under estimated the resilience of the arms industries of russia and the big reserves that in quantity at least. and here comes to a point when we want to have some more impact of our sanctions, the rest has decided upon. then, of course, the rest hopes into lensky hopes that the globe as long as we're going what we're joined by the globe as long as it doesn't join the global sol said, this is your, of all the war between the northern countries, the old colonial countries. that's not all we have other borders to be effected by this war,

and we don't want the global confrontation. so here's the skepticism that be here from the arc league, for example, home the african union from india, and as i congress. and that's why isn't it? and so it does. the right thing is now looking into the future and things. what are the concerns i have to deal with is if the board directs on next year and the off the enrollment is right. the 1st sandra is here, the u. s. presidential election. we don't know who move in. and the 2nd one is this globe as anxious don't function. and this is one to your ocean. the g 7 summit in hiroshima brought up and they want to try to to, to 45, so to speak. the sanctions. i don't believe it will be successful so. so landscape does what is necessary got to have you have on last minute left. last question. now tell us he was going everywhere, trying to make new friends, but as fulton is well actually in prison in his own country, he can go out because of a i. c. c isn't going to frustrate him all to. i'm not sure whether it's going to

frustrating more because we might look at him sitting, you know, as a lonely person being, you know, in his own world, having a, his tori commission to restore the russian empire. and that's all a look from the, from the west also from the political west. many other countries look at this was a completely different. and china certainly is one of them. and one of the major of the countries who see this war as a chance to start building this new world order to tonic shifts that we in the political west. but i fear i'm not fully aware of so far. thank you. so just saving f sixteens and training pilots is just one fault of the whole picture. ukraine will also have to overcome how do

regarding logistics and maintenance of these backgrounds, the f sixteens with a certain degree of ukraine, a lot of the boost, but really big change the cost of the water. if you're watching else on youtube, youtube, do let us know your thoughts. thanks for watching. goodbye. the the,

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