it seems encourage our people will become based on weight i mix people, put them in the 77 percent in 60 minutes on dw the what there's to us that's why we listen to their stories reporter every weekend on dw, the best as dw, and use africa coming up on the program, the people forced to leave their homes and sit down. for example, tom go and fights and has people sleep. we speak to some of them who have ended up in a refugee comes in neighboring chat. sometimes when he hasn't agent, as my 5 people say the way evicted from the unsuccessful land by government,

we hear the story and ask governments to justify its actions. last i forgot to the world. for the 1st time, the venice architects of the another shines. the lights on africa, the driving force shape and the plan, the i, i'm eddie micah junior as you are, welcome to the program. the ongoing fights and inter done the repeated breaking of ceasefire as is false in hundreds of thousands of so the nice to flee the homes according to the un, around 80000 people have crossed into neighboring china alone to escape the violence report to show our wild met some of them and comes in bottle to near the border a just a few days ago she was born on assignments. like this is very different. now she's

involved in chad for this and the, what the things i left in my bed behind on photoshop. my very nice house that my matches that were fine, as well as the fact that i left them all behind ogden. so he was in a car for instance on it. it's a region known around the world for violence and hunger. but while our husband was a nice born state, when he was killed in the latest conflicts back home, she took her 5 children and slipped through the walk for days to get here. despite the conditions, it's to see the comp is viewed out of squads and sticks and not much else. there's a storm coming in right now, which means many people here will have no shelter from the rain. and right now, the houses are literally line of parks born and her children are just a few amongst thousands in this account. all the accounts nearby,

already host nearly half a 1000000 who fled dot 4 years ago, supplies and funds woods heights in the region before the latest violence aid workers say. now with people like going on and a family here, there is even less to go around. a certain amount on my side, i see the maya. right? no, we don't have enough assign shift in to do that. we worry about how to get enough supplies for. yeah. so we can help in time. you may get more, a dollar bill. it's not just sit and these people who are arriving come, come to ma. here is 4 charges who are leaving on the other side of the border which let the file and they to bring stories of murder, relatives, and rapids villages. and they too are desperate because these people have come home . so i'm not technically with these. feet is much more to reach them. this well is

suppose to supply what type of 7000 people. and in the meanwhile, there is no water, no food. the children sleep on cardboard without blankets and there is no hospital to help us out. it is very difficult why, you know, we don't know what to do. people should come to our age. everyone here is looking for safety. those who left are 4 years ago. those who escaped the reese and fighting into the dawn and those who came home to todd but found nothing but 8 organizations warranty file is still over into the account. so it gives you a little prosecuted in terms of security. they're still located on the border. that's not very safe, they're still very close to the areas where the fled from. it's another job to find suitable sites to relocate them, to set them up and give them everything they need to get a hold of someone that's asking the backend complex task board. and focuses on basic needs. well, a high level of mind,

the i have no clothes for. no plastic tart, no soap and no brain 97 to 90. i don't even have simple green to cook to eat today now for, for the. a bigger hole is to return to a home that is just a few kilometers away. but that feels more distant with every seas fire. that's 2 dogs war in general's. break. the. let's now turn our attention to not in terms any way claims of possible eviction from the my side. community sparked food tests and the grow and fights with the governments. we're going to need be my side. the negation is kind of leading you seeking international help to stop the authorities from moving my side communities out of the young to the other canyon border. and im gonna go create conservation area which is a unesco weld heritage site. both areas are famous for high end safari tourism

which contributed significantly to the economy and a 1000 in governments as the must be protected by the mass side. claim that decision to relocate them from these lands has destroyed both their lives and livelihoods smallness. i am now joined in the studio by joseph on the same day as he wanna ride lawyer and active is to push in for my silent tenure. right and not the city both of them from then go, don't go to the district. hello and welcome to the program. thank you very much, desperately and obviously they were talking to had local language. my and joseph for translates for half and obviously let's start with you on a personal level. how does it feel? losing your ancestor aligned? um other than me, and by the way, me to go on the moon back into the columbia. sure. hello region northwest. hello. does this in your own garden? send me my loan in the loop or getting all my but she lives. what does she

presented? that modem in that room. sure. now what do i mean? you know, by now i'm in the industry will give you kind of an idea of moving lens has so much on the applications because you're moving so, so they'll be able to use that life itself. you'll not like uh, flying your monthly level one bedrooms. so you lose your cost that you lose your supply $20.00 to $750.00. you intend to basically losing land almost means losing everything you're losing out your life entirely. let's be clear about the way this land was last. was the case of being forced out by the government or being s way to, to leave. it was the 1st floor level off. i mean, it is a living on the lines. it wasn't the police, they never type light, they come with the ministry and attack everyone in the lines to go. so it was another sort of fact. let's speak. he's got the model simple in that way. so he was

a 1st fully mobile. mm. yeah, that was one part of the area was it was, it was about what i was supposed to look for that because one it was with guns us to model we don't want do you hear me and i'm of that which is are so that that's been what a little ease may take away the service, the spin studies, schools, everything's focused, i've got to city is without any government acquaintance. and then they'll tell you this is a voluntary is not a military either the choice between hydro and desktop. okay, was the monthly, is it mid a citizen before that was dressed will make most of your life all would that bless you never thought of weight. okay, so i mean, you've been fighting for awhile to try to make things right. so what exactly are you fighting for now? we're fighting for a fight for the life of our people. and i think we have that's one of the simple site. because my se,

functions and 14 use with an identity. they need the support for the police. they need to pass our limbs because the economy actually putting domestic cows. is that life is the economy? is the kaiser? is this fraternity so easily worth fighting match, why they get it? yes is remaining and that's, that's what a lot. okay. so to take to get them back to the same problem. so it's only for that, we get to hear the government side of it. the government is arguing that the relocation isn't necessary to stabilize the ecosystem and presented the environment because the mass side population, according to the government, is rising. isn't that a fair argument and not the fact you've been split for several different positions of pollution in the world? my government or also says he's a police list of 10 national id, 7 people. maybe they told us that to do with have a pleasant phone call. a lot of the seconds. if it is the interest of the animals, then maybe people have come to them. i say the, i'm just some additional s. it's

a matter of setting good thing, but i'm going to use mazda areas because mostly knows more than into one more than the governments, within the course of action, just how the vision watts wide them. i they believe that's why they that not listening them because they have other demands hunting, putting the hotels and the things tories in and the hunting is under my supervision . it is not that different things they belong in that sense, stance, the government is not changing its mind. the stick into their guns. it doesn't seem like you're going to return to the on assessor alonso. how to miss the guy you that the spiteful bring about anything positive. the government is not sensing about as effects. but again, the choice then, well, even if you most formulate, then a windows are life. she said that for one of the prep, that was it. so our choice is $21.00. east the fight for the end. yet

our, i'm back. no more. no less is on the left. is the only thing that we know the lens permit of the things on something. and a very quick one. when you say fight you talking about fighting in the court on defense things when i was a call illegal. no, no, no, no, no, no, literally fighting for violence where the fatty pestering our flights. okay. wayne courts legal costs, low cost way everywhere time professor. even those financing, it will stop financing for fiscal solutions, which is what we mean by level how people. okay, more beneficial, but then it's and that would lead offers. okay, yeah, thanks very much joseph. but i think a human right lawyer inactive is pushing for my cylon town. you're right here together. wait, knock a shimmy off from that region. thank you very much. thank you very much for having

us. you in the mornings would examine the government's position. the results of man is that the un estimates will affect more than $80000.00 people. while my side group has been moved from the, i'm going to go to a crate to into the village of them. so matter, hundreds of kilometers away, but ask you about the sea. it's not being a smooth london attempting to put down roots in a new land. this isn't home, you know, can my, he was moved here to some era for his own sexual land. didn't go wrong or it's too small, a patch for his castle so we couldn't bring them. and like many of the other my side relocated, he says the welcome from locals has been far from will come. i mean final, but i mean when you know i'm building you currently live in an area that used to be someone saw the vox hello know at this, um, what would not be pleased to see that i'm taken and given to others. i'm on a, isaac, for any they often accuse us of taking that land,

but we're trying to let them understand the government process here and allocate that. the space to us. we didn't come from and go on, go to cease the domain. it was a government plan to continue to data and we need to buy new ohio physical book and we're on board over here which go manual in their country. they find good among those they've had to make room is right. how about the 3 whose family has lived here for 43 years? she says has 30 acre farm, was recently seized unjustly. and now she faces the amend struggle of providing food for her loved ones such as i am, well we don't have enough land for farming and grazing capital, especially during the rainy season. it's causing a lot of problems in hardship. so me haven't even been able to cultivate my land because it's been taken over by people from nicole and girls. living conditions have become so bad that we're practically living night wild animals to come home

over the summer. i have a residence concerns saying they would not consulted on how the land would be further divided. well honey, he said kind in this situation we can see that the government has created a very flawed system for this conflict, which seems to have no end. how long these individuals have come here relative, but they've already turned into enemies due to the systems that the government is pushing place on to address this issue. why me with that's what the government says . it can reallocate the land because much of this area was a legally occupied in the 1st place, a residence. so then you will have to learn to get to alone. is that number 10 and then the section that the citizens have been deprived of that land is incorrect. you need me, be sure that land has been returned to the village for them to share and to allocate according to that needs as

a mode. you know and should feel entitled to own 50 i because what? well someone else doesn't saving half to 3 i cuz i don't want them to. i think i tend to hot but the new arrangements has left many with a bit to taste as they try to start this new chapter and learn to live this new life that no one really wanted. now to hear governments take, we have invited his excellency abdel a solid policy does any is on both of the gemini hello and busted off. thanks for coming. thank you very much so that my side call, it's forced to removal. how do you justify your actions? you don't forcibly remove people by giving them a house and 2.5 acres of land and also let them voluntarily register. so that is not possible that they will. well, if, if we're to be clarified here, it's not all my sight people that were taken to a new land. some of them literally know where to go. but we've spoken to some of

them and they're saying they were not consulted before the we have forced to move out. not really. um, one has to know the history of the only. i mean the entire area, the northern girl says and national for the vision area as a part of with every day stipulation is always been increasing. you have seems increasing incidents of humans being attacked by annual and practical impossibilities of fund of developing the area. you know that to ensure that people living in the area have good equal access to health services, integration and relate and essential and things to life. so i was in also 5 consultations that started, i mean in some of the areas as 5, but i was 2008. so it is not a forced air force process. and as i mentioned, as we are talking now, is some people voluntarily registering themselves for the 2nd phase of

a settlement to him. so man and ok, maybe just to the point it is not the 1st time in the, near the people in that particular community have been a reset or for purposes of a professing may be important sources of what the. oh i them an ecological i, i think the argument is not really about resettling people that these are a lot of my side people that i've seen that the with forced out during the even given a choice. they didn't have a say in it's usually you spoke to some of them, they're still quite a large number of them that see the way not spoken to. and now they're dealing with a lot of challenges. but you talk about conservation plans. my question is a country would do more to make your conservation plans who exist with these communities. why did they have to move out to make room for conservation plans? that was the idea is independence. and as a result of what was the last phase, we are leaving, the people were leaving and then go to go to conservation area us. um,

where living according to sit and regulations. the problem is those regulations were not really to their welding because one, the land that was not there so there was no ride to deal with from on. and how is, is you cannot uh, and its continuously new with the schools and hospitals because otherwise you will get rid of the world heritage site and their position is increasing. what is the practical solution? yeah, and we wanted to make sure that the people living there also it would that a quarter unfortunately to, to, to exercise of the rights of other citizens of the united republic of the engineer . so it is not just about lifting a person leave in a particular area is about having a big picture of the future. innovations of both ends ends, business i o, any of the tri boy living. and so that's kind of a situation. but i mean, at the end of the day, unless you're saying that they would live that they live now for those of them that have moved to a new land airline space,

the now struggling to share resources with the locals that the met, the so they are facing some challenges, what are you doing about that? not true. that according to you, that we spoke to people that live in the, at these adf, please, and it's always easy for you to see and not true. of course, you don't live that, but they see the face in these telling this. and if you think about it, if there were a little closer already existing in the place, more have been added that it's only natural that if i for resources, why do you say not true? you know, let me tell you what the terms i mean is that's kind of the whole site level and is 3 times bigger than the size of your money and you would lots of an occupied space and occupied land. yeah. some find 2. 05 families. yeah. me is not saying like, or maybe one or 2 might say, okay, well, what is it? what are these changes doing is lots is not the same. like i'm some people are resisting. the fact is, as we have talking now, you good, you've,

you've not the head of any promotions in so many region, wherever it is, you are a sentiment. and even now in, in your area, one of the vision area where these, i mean, is i'm moving early for the this week last week, or i'm in a week before last week. you haven't had of any promotions. and as i've said, people, avalon deputy registering themselves are still there any continuous commotion then you would have known that, okay, there was a problem. the fact that no more promotion going on in that some of the things i think is better also to let's time for news. ok. so, i mean, you argue that's no commotion, but we had a report that is basically looking at people that are complaining that the lives of change, the struggling for we still have to. so again, those dealing with it are facing the challenges. see it as an issue. usually there's no commotion by the feel. it, but before you go, cuz cuz i hear you definitely a very busy man and we want you. we don't want to take too much of your time to my side communities and says they'll do everything to get the land back. is that still

room for negotiations? well intends, and that's the good thing about the united republic of tends and then we have the constitution. we have the fundamental science and science in the constitution. i mean, since 198 is the new this, it has developed miss quiet the neg then important that you are experiencing human rights. so if people think that they right, so being crunched, the legal making is, is, are still there. what is the most important is the end of the day. it is important to find a practical solution and for the government. and it has found that in order to ensure that the mass of with the equal rights to online equal rights indication to health services to development and others, it is important results because at the end of the day i would really like loved one, the me to see many more of my size as okay, maintain the concept culture life. but at the same time, most of the bank own as

o. c o is the way it cetera. and because otherwise, it's not that the, even if we have, we have, we're talking about maintenance of culture and life. it's not i would condemning a person to live in poverty because that is the area. now we have the forward rate is high, the interest rate is more than 64 percent. yeah. so the higher than any other place in the religion, in, in the region. so you, it's, it's unfair to let things go the way they, it's excellent and see now that they're always doubts when it comes to new things. okay, most important is lead time. also you've good answers. okay, is like for lindsey of that i saw that policy does that he has on the bus without the gemini. thank you very much for your time. you're welcome. thanks. the world's biggest architects exhibition has opened an entity. and this is for the 1st time the venice, the anomaly is moving its focus from europe to africa with event q rated by the

renowned gun. the in scottish architect. that's the local, the venice invites the great and the good of the architect to well to be a non, to organize the this here look to a future shaped in africa. and yet you tell you and immigration policy bought some going to and contribute to us from attending level teams that equal to the team based and across who were denied jesus to attend the next submission to which they have contributed the time, ideas, work and labor for almost the 1st time in my life words fail me with more than half to contribute to this from africa, all of the diaspora, the csb, and not it looks to redress the balance of what is traditionally or do routine to fit to write their lives. the local says, african architect, offered inspiring ideas for the future. i very much hope the audience as you come. to see this work a surprise by the level of sorts of care of beauty,

of hope. ambition, activism under the ban of the bar, a tree of the future. the festival investigates ways of adapting to climate change with most sustainable ideas. africa can be key in this says no cool. it's a continent rapid change, but also a place where the effects of climate change have already forced people to respond. maria me, so for camara, heads up and coming architect practice in the main use. yeah. it's called a to g muzzle me. they take inspiration from traditional building techniques in a country where it's 45 degrees celsius. when you build in cement it's 50 degrees inside of the building, versus if i use earth, which is a bunch of the available. so cheaper number one. number 2, it means that inside one is 45 degrees outside. it's 35. that's just common sense.

established names like the book cannot be german stock. i could take the dual francis kerry have led the way you wanted to put stock price architecture as oscar for his designs. he builds around the world but mostly in africa, where he empowers communities always using local resources for him. the challenge lies in the ability to adapt because i think the seen this as an architect. i think it's great because i see an opportunity to create something different. yeah. and it's a sort of step. this is key, right? tough. the knowledge says the story and future of architecture would be incomplete with out the african perspective, by highlighting africa. this is exhibition challenges. the wisdom perspective that has dominated architecture. it's an attempt to learn from the agility and innovation of a young continent to find solutions for the future. and that's how we end the show. so you,

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