the global media on 2023 on germany and online, the increasingly fragmented world with a growing number of forces digital. the amplified where disclosure complete, we really need overcoming divisions and a vision for tomorrow's journalism. register now and join us for this discussion. at the 16th edition of d, w. 's global media forum the, the drone attacks have become a sad parts of everyday life for ukrainians. some areas of the country are under a 247 air raid alert chances are that the sky no matter how blue concerned hostile at any given moment in moscow. that threat from above didn't really exist until today the 1st time since the war broke out. the russian capital was hit by

a large scale. drone attack is unclear, who is behind them. ukraine denies any direct involvement. the kremlin has threatened to respond with the harshest possible measures. but some analysts believe the russians themselves might be behind the strikes. i'm gonna go further chamberlain and this is the day the, as you know, the key regime is chosen a different past. the positive attempts to intimidate russia. there is a likelihood that it could be praying and the to if, where you take into account that moscow has been striking your premium capital. if this is a key or sign of terrorist activities, action intelligence services could have stage the attack to you put in a carte blanche to launch his attacks against the cranium capital. but this drone

attack doesn't bother me so much as it attempts to provoke a response from russia. apparently it's meant to be so they provoke us to mirror actions and we'll see what we do about this. also on the day of results, president little of the silva is hosting regional leaders in brazil. yeah. and he's reading on overcoming divisions by inviting venezuela's, authoritarian president and nicholas madura a hey, is joe in the region? we have a loud id. oh jeez. to divide as an interrupted integration ethics, we have abandon channels of dialogue and mechanism. so cooperation, and in doing so, we all last walk into the show. suddenly the war putting unleashed on neighboring ukraine moved a whole lot closer to home. the kremlin is accusing chief of launching

a large scale drone attack on moscow. several buildings were damaged, nobody died, but the strike has so uncertainty and fear and the russian capital. the defense ministry there says it shot down 5 unmanned aerial vehicles and diverted 3 others electronically. although keith denies any direct involvement in the attacks officials, they're express satisfaction with russia getting a taste of its own medicine. this footage posted on the russian telegram channel. mash claims to show a drug and attack on most go. the russian officials said the cities air defense system disabled most shut down all of the drones. but that's several buildings were damaged by folding debris in during some residents. building security team came to our apartments and ask us to go downstairs. that's about it.

we didn't hear any drones or explosions at 1st i even thought, should we go down? oh, no. precious defense ministry has blamed you. crane is showing a statement saying the key regime launched a terrorist attack with unmanned aerial vehicles on objects in the city of moscow. h a croft type you avi's were involved in the attack. all enemy, drones were destroyed. an age to ukraine's president denied cave was directly involved, but he went on to say that he predict such attacks on most go will increase. earlier this month, the kremlin was here in a drone strike. us officials have since said it was likely orchestrated by ukraine's military oil pipelines and russian border regions have also been targeted . life in most car has remained relatively normal since the start of the war. but this latest strike comes as rushes war,

and ukraine increasingly creeps back across the board of reacting to the news that moscow had been hit by drones. the russian president said it was an example of terrorism by ukraine. as you know, the key of regime has chosen a different possibly to the past of attempts to intimidate russia, russian citizens, and to tax on residential buildings. this is of course, a clear sign of terrorist activities. 2 days to the 1st. i want to say that the most cool air defense system worked in the regular way, although there are things for us to work on the east mission. but i'm going to moscow blaming these attacks on ukraine. but how likely is it that your brain is really behind them? we put the question to marina moran senior fellow and more studies at king's college in london. the reason why people that it could be ukraine, indeed, if we take into account that moscow has been striking ukrainian capital,

especially to your prior to the celebrations and key of this sunday. and the steve man spies the mirror of key of as well as the have of the print and military intelligence indicates that there will be a response from keith. and therefore, that could potentially give key of a motive to exploit the gaps in air defenses in moscow in order that the large side attack and as a version of this could be the f b. so the, the, the russian intelligence services could have stage the attack to give, put in a carte blanche to launch his attacks against the cranium capital. and also targets was in ukraine. so there is no clarity. is there a different versions? and these are probably the most prominent ones. however, you need court of the nation and the where the to launch drones for him, like we have seen today in moscow. therefore, it is to exclude that it is some,

some sort of a single actor who is just opposed to their machine who might have been behind the attack from underbrush. tough is with us now for more he's a russian journalist of flood persecution in russia. he's currently the editor and chief of the inside or a russia focused independent media outlet. mr. dobro hotel, welcome to the day. what have you been hearing about? what is the attacks on on moscow? so we have for the sure this is not a false lag effective. this is a really great in the attack. and though most of the drawing, so actually all of the drawings didn't reach the targets apartments that um, i think still all of this is that for the effective effect in the sense that it caused the lot of like emotional um, you know, a big emotional reactions from all the people in most co, including like, i don't know, so business doris going out, publishing, and that is the rooms,

the videos uh, showing that they are absolutely shocked by what's going on a, it's a, it's not shocking for most of the people who like boys independent use, but for those people who believe propaganda and who saw the absolutely safe in moscow and that the worries were pretty far away for them. this is a big news actually because war is really coming to the door. so the houses, so this is i think maybe the main, actually a pool for august of the. yeah and, and the kremlin has kind of been building on the apathetic status. quote of people thinking that this is a conflict that doesn't really, you know, relate to their lives at all. how terrible is this position because of the, the war when the war is moving closer and closer to home. yeah, absolutely. i think that this can be a game changer when people understand that this social contract important gives

them security. uh, and also some level of trust garcia, but they have no influence in politics. this social congress that doesn't work anymore because, well, why would they really support within what, what, why they would legitimize for so there is no economic stability. there is no like, uh, real prosperity and also now that has no security because uh well the war is actually on russian ground of only uh with these drones in moscow. but also we see that in dover. uh there are some um, brent in uh, troops over there on uh, russian ground uh we'll see in other um, near other russian motors receive the dissertation is less less safe for russians. so yeah, it is, it is. uh, it is changing and also this russian never assume that like in several days will be into then. okay, maybe in several months we're really in very discomfort. and now russia is

defending itself in on russian soil, which is like how, how it can be with the such a follow up for the army that is for them to be in the russian to be general. so i think it is, it is also very strong, huge on russian propaganda with this uh, drones. right. yeah. what do you make of the messaging surrounding these attacks? so yeah i, as we discussed, uh well the 1st message is that um, nowhere in russia you are safe now. uh and there will be a response on uh, hold the showing. oh you are the pregnancy it is. so it empowers ukrainians, and it also like was all the put a supporters in this uh, you know, uh, frustration. and the 2nd message i think is that um,

the propaganda lives to the propaganda. and it says that everything is in control, that we have very strong army. uh, the, like our minnesota defense is actually where successful. even people like free version 4, actually the populate one of the main. we just bought us to use this and thrown the textbook. what the assessment is still defense on saying that, like you see this, people don't control anything. yeah. which helps to sleep lead in several, several policy. i think it's also part of your brain information. mm hm. and maybe i'm reading a little too much into this, but the location of these strikes is also quite interesting, isn't it? because it hits a wealthy moscow suburb fairly close to one of hooton's residences. yeah, i don't know if it does. okay. so the 5. yes. one of the drawings was uh, near uh, this place where all the like it lead lead is leaving, and it was sold for actually, for, for, for a, for

a long time ago that the u. s. in russia. but this is, this will be something important. so yes, maybe that it was one of the real targets and, you know, i think very little number of people would really sympathize those or guards living there. and under this drugs, i think like millions of russians would actually support this brag seat. these houses wouldn't be under that degree. that's called the kremlin spokes person. the said today in, in response to these attacks that there is no imminent threat to residents of moscow. do you think the people living there believe him after today? well, i think no one believes this go well for, for many years anyway, but uh, yeah, people believe their eyes and there you can see how that is because within the social networks, you can see the videos that they publish. uh, they absolutely shocked. this is the main news and it will be for many days,

the main thing that people discuss. so yeah, what would they believe the scope of that can just look into the window and see the draws flying. so if it's things by itself, what's going on in the kremlin right now? how worried is putting about this? what we don't know anything about what, what is input in his head. but as i'm pull the dimensions, uh, there are signs the elite displays because that is a big open, municipal defense of which goes on. on the one hand that comes on the other hand, we do see that there are lots of people in the government in the minnesota defends himself in f as bad. why not happy with how old is things now going with the old this? i mean, uh uh, with all this stuff in back in the ukraine, that the we have to leave a new, a new, a citizen, new grand. so i know what the latest getting and it was the scenario actually if it

goes and said uh by himself, that the best scenario uh existing is that they just keep the territory. they over the uh, a controlling now. and he himself does not believe in the best scenario. and with this what you said, this important because he is actually the owner of control farm. so the very big, important part of propaganda and the internet, you can see it on his own. it says this, you can believe what people in the lead, i think now from wonder brought a tough editor in chief of the inside. or thank you so much for your view of this day and for your time. and your great in the thirty's say a rush. i have carried out another wave of drone attacks on the capital. keep killing at least one person, your friends defense for us to say $29.00 out of $31.00. a rainy and main. drones were shot down in the early hours of tuesday morning. cave has come under increasing pressure with 7 team attacks. in the past, month alone,

surveying the damage to the homes. this apartment block was one of the buildings hit in the latest attack on ukraine's capitol. well, everyone here escaped some with injuries, at least one person was killed as keith was targeted once more. when the drawing is flying, i feel fair. now everyone has survived so you feel happy that your life be think about what will happen next. this is the 3rd russian attack on keep in 24 hours. ukraine's f o says it down to almost all of the attacking drones almost every day we receive that sac from me. so like in the guise of drugs, or do you need your brain is all the great news is varies. it's, uh, a well, yes,

of course, i worry about that. and the russians want to bring depression to people instead of depression. people are angry. these keep residents have already lost so much, but they have to stay on the lot, fearing it's only a matter of time. before the next strike comes a summit to of 12 south american leaders is taking place in brazil aimed at reviving co operation in the region results president losing not to let the silva is hosting the gathering, falling years of fractions relations between the countries attending the event the meeting includes venezuela nicholas montero. he's visiting result for the 1st time since it restored relations with caracas. that had been silver and divine. former brazilian president, desirable center and window rose presents in brazil is

a sign of growing acceptance of venezuela by some countries in the international community. is government is considered to be authoritarian and illegitimate by dozens of countries around the world. in 2020 the us department of justice charged the venezuelan leader and other high ranking officials with narco terrorism corruption and drug trafficking. now maderos buyers to oversee his country joining the bricks group of leading emerging nations for sales. lou louis said, he would welcome to move it by the front, but there is several proposals from other countries that want to join breaks and we're going to discuss it because it does not depend on brazil as well. it depends on everyone's well, we will discuss it if there was an official request and then this request will officially be taken to breaks and we will decide there. if you asked me, what do i think i'm in favor of it? for his apartment, we're all set in membership of breaks for venezuela. woods contributed to

a new multi polar world order, the remote control for 13. we need to build a new geo political order with fundamental components. one of them is the union of south america without diversity is not even a few, you know, together with briggs, we have seen in the g, a political c a and elements where we can advance in the union of these 5 very powerful countries life. and we pull that off, let's think deeper and bring an evil hernandez from the university of mentor in northern germany. he is a political scientist from venezuela. mr. hernandez. good to see you. why exactly is lula rolling out the red carpet for a man who just months ago was banned from even entering brazil? well, there are many reasons to that. mainly i think lula is reissuing his former foreign policy. that way he used to do it when he was in power a couple of years ago. actually we see that when i sort of these trying to evaluate

now is this old organization founded in 2008? i need to bring in because my little who was, who is the hair of a former lieutenant colonel chavez, of that time to president venezuela, who we now created with him. you know, so where, so we see a whole list of display, of sort of like a new diplomacy that has old roots. so how to speak me little are criticized. i've been as well. i had been ostracized because of a what he called constructive narrative of authoritarianism. but the human rights violations and refreshing in the country are very well documented. so how do the other south american leaders at the meeting feel about mentor as well that everybody's on that line? you have to understand that, for example, the presented to you live bought each and the result of your, of why have us that is to decide to this reaction. also, we see in the presence of the many, many dis, vapors quotes, for example, the former president of spain, pretty big hotel is saying, my little is actually guilty of crimes against humanity. and the whole way as are

images of american states as well documented as you just said, many of those things. so this is a very complicated issue. people are accusing also internally. love is trying to whitewash my doodle, which would be a very sad initiative to start this whole new political display of diplomacy. so it does seem like montero has slowly been creeping back into the international fold though, doesn't it? last year the us even is some of the sanctions against his regime are the times of him being a pariah over to from a very pragmatic point of view which deter, saying could be seen as right indeed of the, by the ministration a soft and some of the sanctions you could see that especially in the oil or re not some of some approaches have been nearing. however, that being said, centric spill exist against many of the people working in the government. but the itself is a bar, ryan, this is that he cannot travel internationally as he would like to wear the day before. so we still see that here, perhaps as little as being a little bit 9,

even old days. he's just trying to talk about bricks, try to talk about peace groups trying to talk about this one over stretching. the capacity of brazil is also making it we, we see we have to see closer steps and, and probably more secure steps towards things that could be done. really not these very easy talk through and say ok, we're doing new political, a strategies and all that is complicated. also the alliance is the post electronic electric alliance between and writing the state and brazil, and the south part of it as well as that's highly unlikely, though it was spoken about and my due to promise 190 megawatts and all that. then as well, i do not does not have the capacity to do that, so that's going to be more the cheap talk then reality montero is back on the international stage though, and he's certainly likes the look and feel of that at what does that mean for the people in venezuela, his rehabilitation of sorts or of rehabilitation might be to be

a word. we have to see this walking on to feet. he has been invited by brazil. there these, these 2 men know each other well for decades actually. and the share a very common project, they have very close clients who have boss, but they do have a lot of perspectives around the world. the perspective they have is shared is common. whether that is also agreed upon by other a precedent, highly dubious. that's not so easy to be accepted, so we have to see if all is meeting, by the way, most of them don't done close door, are going to have any repercussion or any consequence in the future that has to be seen. and it does give them a, legitimize ation though. right. and we spend years talking about how the venezuelan regime is not actually the legitimate government of venezuela. so, so, if he were to, to see himself cemented in power through this, this international stage that he's being given and through the international

alliances that he is forging more and more. what would that mean for the people in his country? will certainly not many good things. think of what we just talked about. all these crimes against humanity, all these documents about torture, oldest political prisoners that have been many, a time, signaled and selected as shown to people. this is really bad. what's going on there are going stations, international energy goals working on the matter. so we do have a problem here, white washing model, this fast would not be convenient, neither for the situation internally, venezuela nor perhaps from the region that has so much for rachel. some of left 10 left wing governments, we'd like to distance a little bit from the old ways of doing things. as for example, think i one minutes we'll still do venezuela was one south america's richest country, but those days are long gone lula in winter, or have been openly floating the possibility of venezuela joining the brakes. how

realistic is that? a very unlikely of the breaks, as you know is a group of countries that are very promising economically, venezuela is an almost failed state bankrupt almost the ones flourishing oil industry. that was an example of the world in many ways is today. couple of the bankrupt is in ruins at the very unlikely event will have anything to offer. like i said, one of the problems of these reissuing of food and all these are gonna stations is that they are very ideologically motivated. does that have a subtract, a substance on economic development and production? not very much. it is more the ideological leading to an idea. and that's what we're in a sort of these organizations have been they open when governments in that direction favor them as a close. when they do not support mentor, i talked about a multi polar world order. we heard of there before, we started talking. that is something we hear a lot coming out of russia in china. and how big is the desire in south america to

shake off the reputation of being washington's back yard? what would you bring in an excellent point? you have to see that list agenda from what the moment he took power in january as being extremely active. he was in china, he's been in europe, you wasn't that it states. he's trying to move all over the world and he's presenting brazil as a, as or like an active diplomatic act or whether latin america can follow those steps . the steps of brazil is to be seen yet because as we see, the region is having a very turbulent time right now. many governments are having internal problems of the case of virgin t. now that gives venezuela, they're not so easy. they have massive inflations again. and we're seeing it's a nomic turmoil that has to have also political consequences. brazil and lou lovely this experience is trying to make things faster and better whether he be able to achieve it. that's something different. so that's why i said the word that he did, the beginning might be too much overstretched. you. that capacity makes it also

very weak. lots of moving parts there even more to it around this, sorry, of the university of and so thank you so much. thank you a 3rd time, but make sure to stay in touch. you can file our to on twitter at the the we news i myself, nicole underscore. clearly back with more tomorrow. hope to see you. then the

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