this is dw news from billings. you can get months mon, using our website, w. com. the drone attacks have become a sad part of everyday life for ukrainians. some areas of the country are under a 247 air raid alert chances are that the sky, no matter how blue country and hostile at any given moment in moscow, that threat from above didn't really exist until today for the 1st time since the war broke out the russian capital was hit by a large scale. drone attack is unclear, who is behind ukraine to any direct involvement. and the kremlin has threatened to respond with the harshest possible measures. but some analysts believe the russians themselves might be behind the strikes and the confirmation berlin, and this is the day. the,

as you know, the key regime is chosen a different past. the positive attempts to intimidate russia. there is a likelihood that it could be praying in the to, if we take into account that moscow has been striking the premium capital. if this is a key or sign of terrorist activities, action intelligence services could have stage the attack to you put in a carte blanche to launch his attacks against the cranium capital. but this drone attack doesn't bother me so much as it attempts to provoke a response from russia. apparently it's meant to be so they provoke us to mirror actions and we'll see what we do about the also on the day of results, president little of the silva is hosting regional leaders in brazil. yeah, and he's budding on overcoming divisions by inviting venezuela's authoritarian

president nicholas madura a. hey, is joe in the region? we have a loud id. oh jeez. to divide as an interrupted integration ethics. we have abandon channels of dialogue and mechanisms, a cooperation. and in doing so, we all last walk into the show. suddenly the war putting unleashed on neighboring ukraine moved a whole lot closer to home. the kremlin is accusing chief of launching a large scale drone attack on moscow. several buildings were damaged, nobody died, but the strike has so uncertainty and fear in the russian capital. the defense ministry there says it shot down 5 unmanned aerial vehicles and diverted 3 others electronically. although keith denies any direct involvement in the attacks, officials their express satisfaction with russia getting a taste of its own medicine. this footage posted on the russian

telegram channel, mash claims to show a drug and attack on most go. the russian officials said the cities air defense system disabled most shut down all of the drones. but that's several buildings were damaged by folding debris in during some residents building security team came to our apartments and ask us to go downstairs. that's about it. we didn't hear any drones or explosions. at 1st i even thought, should we go down? oh, no. precious defense ministry has blamed ukraine, issuing a statement saying the key regime launched a terrorist attack with the unmanned aerial vehicles on objects in the city of moscow. h a croft type you avi's were involved in the attack. all enemy drawings were destroyed. an age to ukraine's president denied cave was directly

involved, but he went on to say that he predict such attacks on most go will increase. earlier this month, the kremlin was here in a drone strike. us officials have since said it was likely orchestrated by ukraine's military oil pipelines and russian border regions have also been targeted . life in most car has remained relatively normal since the start of the war. but this latest strike comes as rushes war, and ukraine increasingly creeps back across the board of reacting to the news at moscow had been hit by drones. the russian president said it was an example of terrorism by ukraine. as you know, the key of regime has chosen a different possibly to the past of attempts to intimidate russia, russian citizens, and to tax on residential buildings. this is of course,

a clear sign of terrorist activities. 2 days to the 1st. i want to say that the most cool air defense system works in the regular way, although there are things for us to work on plato use machine. but i'm going to moscow blaming these attacks on ukraine. but how likely is it that your brain is really behind them? we put the question to marina moran senior fellow and more studies at kings college in london. the reason why people that it could be ukraine, indeed, if we take into account that moscow has been striking ukrainian capital, especially to your prior to the celebrations and key of this sunday. and the steve man spies the mirror of key of as well as the have of the printing military intelligence indicates that there will be a response from keith. and therefore, that could potentially give key of a motive to exploit the gaps in the air defenses in moscow in order that the large

side attack and as a version of this could be the f, b. so the, the, the russian intelligence services could have stage the attack to give, put in a carte blanche to launch his attacks against the cranium capital. and also targets was in ukraine. so there is no clarity. is there a different versions? and these are probably the most prominent ones. however, you need court of the nation and the where the to launch drones for him, like we have seen today in moscow. therefore, it is to exclude that it is some, some sort of a single actor who is just opposed as a bite has been behind the attack from under bravo. tough is with us now for more he's a russian journalist of fled persecution in russia. he's currently the editor and chief of the inside of a russia focused independent media outlets. mr. deborah hotel, welcome to the day. what have you been hearing about? what is the attacks on on moscow?

so we have for the sure this is not a false lag effective, this is a really grand attack. and so most of the drawing, so actually all of the drawings didn't reach that targets apart and say, um, i thinks the all of this is the effective effect in the sense that it's close the logo like emotional um, you know, a big emotional reactions from all the people in most co, including, like, i don't know, show business doris going out publishing, and that is the runs the videos and showing that they are absolutely shocked by what's going on a, it's a, it's not shocking for most of the people who like boys independent use, but for those people who believe propaganda and who saw the absolutely safe in moscow and that the worries were pretty far away for them. this is a big news actually because war is really coming to the door. so the houses,

so this is i think maybe the main, actually ample for august of the. yeah and, and the kremlin has kind of been building on the apathetic status. quote of people thinking that this is a conflict that doesn't really, you know, relate to their lives at all. how terrible is this position because of the, the war when the war is moving closer and closer to home. yeah, absolutely. i think that this can be a game changer when people understand that this social contract important gives them security. uh, and also some level with garcia, but they have no influence in politics. this social congress that doesn't work anymore because, well, why would they really support? who then what, what, why they would legitimize for so there is no economic stability. there is no, like, uh, root prosperity. and also now that has no security because uh well the war is actually

on russian ground of only uh with these drones in moscow. but also we see that in dover. uh there are some um, brent in uh, troops over there on uh, russian ground. uh we'll see in other um, near other russian motors receive the dissertation is less less safe for russians. so yeah, it is, it is uh, it is changing. and also this russian narrative that like in several days will be into then. okay. maybe in several months, we're really in very discomfort, and now russia is defending itself in on russian soil, which is like how, how it can be with the search of powerful the army that is for them to be in the russian to be general. so i think it is, it is also very strong, huge on russian propaganda with this uh, drones. right? yeah. what do you make of the messaging surrounding these attacks?

so yeah i, as we discussed though, well the 1st message is that nowhere in russia you are safe now and there will be a response on the oldest shelling of you and other pregnancy it is. so it empowers ukrainians. and it also like was all the put a supporters in this uh, you know, uh, frustration. and the 2nd message i think is that the propaganda lies to the propaganda that says that everything is in control, that we have very strong army. uh, the like our minnesota defense is extra or successful. even people like free version 4, actually the populate one of the men who just bought us to use this and thrown the textbook for the assessment is still defense on saying that. like you see this, people don't control and yeah, which helps to split lead in several,

several policy. i think it's also part of your brain information. mm hm. and maybe i'm reading a little too much into this, but the location of the strikes is also quite interesting, isn't it? because it hits a wealthy moscow suburb fairly close to one of futons residences or yeah, i don't know if it does. okay. so those 5, yes. one of the drawings was uh, near uh, this place where all the like it lead lead is leaving, and it was sold for actually for, for, for a, for a long time ago that the, uh, visa origin will be a tech. um, maybe there will be some political changes because these people, they care about themselves. they don't care about anyone else in russia. but this is, this will be something important. so yes, maybe that it was one of the real targets and, you know, i think very little number of people would really sympathize those or guards living

there. and under these drugs, i think like millions of russians would actually support this strikes if these houses wouldn't be under the retreat. that's called the kremlin spokesperson. the said today in, in response to these attacks. but there is no imminent threat to a residence of moscow. do you think the people living there believe him after today? well, i think no one believes this go well for, for many years anyway, but uh, yeah, people believe their eyes and there you can see how that is because within the social networks, you can see the videos that they publish. uh, they absolutely shocked. this is the main news and it will be for many days, the main thing that people discuss. so yeah, what would they believe the scope if they can just look into the window and see the draws fly. so if it's things by itself, what's going on in the kremlin right now? how worried is put in about this, or what we don't know anything about what,

what is input in his head. but as i'm pull the dimensions, uh there are signs the elitist place because that is a big company in municipal defense solutions. and because i'm on the one hand and that i was on the other hand, we do see that there are lots of people with the government in the minnesota defends himself in f as bad. why not happy with how old is things now going with the old this? i mean, uh uh, with all this stuff in back uh in uh, ukraine that we have to leave a new, a new, a citizen, new grand. so i know what the latest getting and it was scenario actually if it goes and said uh by himself, that the best scenario uh existing is that they just keep the territory. they over the uh, a controlling now. and she can self, uh, does not believe in the best scenario. and with this what you said,

this important because he's actually the owner of control farm. so the very big, important part of propaganda in the internet, you can see it on his own. it says this, you can believe what people in the lead, i think now from wonder brought a tough editor in chief of the inside. or thank you so much for your view of this day and for your time. okay. i as your grand. yeah. unless doherty's say a russia has carried out another wave of drone attacks on the capital, keep killing at least one person, your friends defense for us to say 29 out of 31. a rainy and main drones were shot down in the early hours of tuesday morning. cave has come under increasing pressure with 7 team attacks. in the past, month alone, surveying the damage to the homes. this apartment block was one of the buildings hit in the latest attack on ukraine's capitol. well, everyone here escaped some with injuries. at least one person was killed. as

keith was targeted once more. when the drone is flying, i feel fair. now everyone has survived so you feel happy that your life be think about what will happen next. this is the 3rd russian attack on keep in 24 hours. ukraine's f o says it down to almost all of the attacking drones. almost every day we see that sac from me, sol, so i can make as a drugs or do you need your brain is out of the brand new. it's there is. it's a well, yes, of course, i worry about that. and the russians want to bring depression. busy people instead of depression, people are angry. these keep residents have already lost so much, but they have to stay on the lot fairing. it's only

a matter of time before the next strike comes a summit to of 12 south american leaders is taking place in brazil aimed at reviving co operation in the region for those president, lucy, not to let the silva is hosting the gathering, falling years of fractions relations between the countries attending the event. the meeting includes venezuela nicholas montero. he's visiting brazil for the 1st time since that restored relations with caracas, and had been several defined. former brazilian president, john, you're both in our inventory. his presence in brazil is a sign of growing acceptance of venezuela by some countries and the international community is government is considered to be authoritarian and legitimate by dozens of countries around the world. in 2020 the u. s. department of justice charged the venezuelan leader and other high ranking officials with narco terrorism corruption

and drug trafficking. now maderos buyers to oversee his country joining the bricks group of leading emerging nations for sales. lou louis said, he would welcome to move it the better for there was several proposals from other countries that want to join breaks and we're going to discuss it because it does not depend on brazil as well. it depends on everyone's well, we will discuss it if there was an official request and then this request will officially be taken to breaks. and we will decide there. if you asked me, what do i think i'm in favor of it? for his department, do we're all set in membership of breaks for venezuela. woods contributed to a new multi polar world order. the remote control phase, 13. we need to build a new geo political order with fundamental components on input from them. and finally, one of them is so you need of south america without diversity is in love,

even a few, you know, together with breaks we have seen in the g a political c a and elements where we cannot events in the union of these 5 very powerful countries life and we pull that off. let's think deeper and bring an equal hernandez from the university of mentor in northern germany. he is a political scientist from venezuela. mr. hernandez. good to see you. why exactly is lula rolling out the red carpet for a man who just months ago was banned from even entering brazil? well, there are many reasons to that. mainly i think lula is reissuing his former foreign policy. that way he used to do it when he was in power a couple of years ago. actually we see the sort of he's trying to evaluate now is this older organization founded in 2008. and he's bringing nicolai's mother to who was, who is the hair of a former lieutenant colonel chavez, of that time to press it up. and it's we left who we now created with him. you know, source of, we see all this of display of sort of like

a new diplomacy that has old roots, so how to speak. little are criticized. i've been as well. i had been ostracized because of a what he called constructive narrative of authoritarianism. but the human rights violations and refreshing in the country are very well documented. so how do the other south american leaders at the meeting feel about wonder as well that everybody's on that line? you have to understand that, for example, the present or t live board each and the result of your of why have us that is to decide to this reaction. also we see in the presence of the many, many dis, vapors, quote, for example, the former president of spain, pretty big hotel is saying, my little is actually guilty of crimes against humanity. and the whole way is, are entities of american states as well documented as you just said, many of those things. so this is a very complicated issue. people are accusing also internally. love is trying to whitewash my doodle, which would be a very sad initiative to start this whole new political display of diplomacy. so it

does seem like madero has slowly been creeping back into the international fold though. doesn't it? last year the us even is some of the sanctions against his regime are the times of him being a pariah over to from a very pragmatic point of view which deter, saying could be seen as right indeed of the, by the ministration a soft and some of the sanctions you could see that especially in the oil arena, some of some approaches have been nearing. however, that being said, centric still exist against many of the people working in the government. muslims cell is a bar, ryan, this is that he cannot travel internationally as he would like to wear the day before. so we still see that here. perhaps as little as being a little bit in the even old days. he's just trying to talk about bricks, try to talk about peace groups trying to talk about this one over stretching. the capacity of brazil is also making we, we see we have to see closer steps and,

and probably more secure steps towards things that could be done really not these very easy talk and say ok, we're doing new political, a strategies and all that is complicated. also the alliance is the post electronic electric alliance between and road. i'm of the state and brazil and the south part of venezuela. that's highly unlikely, though it was spoken about and my daughter promised 190 megawatts and all that been as will. i do not does not have the capacity to do that, so that's going to be more the jeep talk than reality. montero is back on the international stage though, and he's certainly likes the look and feel of that at what does that mean for the people in venezuela? his rehabilitation of sorts of rehabilitation might be to be a word. we have to see this walking on 2 feet. he has been invited by brazil. there these, these 2 men know each other well for decades actually. and the share a very common project, they have very close ties to the boss, but they do have

a lot of perspectives around the world. the perspective they have is shared is common. whether that is also agreed upon by other, a precedent, highly dubious. that's not so easy to be accepted, so we have to see if all is meeting, by the way, most of them don't done close door, are going to have any repercussion or any consequence in the future we've been asked to be seen, and it does give them a, legitimize ation. so right, and we spend years talking about how the venezuelan regime is not actually the legitimate government of venezuela. so, so, if he were to, to see himself cemented in power through this, this international stage that he's being given and through the international alliances that he is foraging. more and more, what would that mean for the people in his country? well, certainly not many good things the think of what we just talked about. all these crimes against humanity, oldest documents about torture, oldest political prisoners that have been many, a time,

signaled and selected and shown to people. this is really bad. what's going on there? organizations, international angles working on the matter. so we do have a problem here. white washing model, this fast would not be convenient. neither for the situation internally been is written, nor perhaps for the reader that has so much racialism, a left pen left when government would like to this does a little bit from the old ways of doing things. as for example, think i wouldn't be as well as you'll do me. venezuela was one south americas rich as country, but those days are long gone. lula and mentor row have been openly floating the possibility of venezuela joining the brakes. how realistic is that? a very unlikely of the breaks, as you know is a group of countries that are very promising. economically, venezuela is an almost failed state bankrupt almost the old ones, flourishing oil industry. that was an examples of the world in many ways is today,

couple of the bankrupt is ruins at the very unlikely events will have anything to offer. like i said, one of the problems of these reissuing of food and all these are gonna stations is that they are very ideologically motivated. does that have a subtract, a substance on economic development and production? not very much. it is more the ideological leading to an idea, and that's what we're in a sort of these are going to cases have been big open with governments in that direction, favor them as a close when they do not support mentor. i talked about a multi polar world order. we heard it there before, we started talking. that is something we hear a lot coming out of russia and china. and how big is the desire in south america to shake off the reputation of being washington's back yard? what would you bring in an excellent point? you have to see that list agenda from what the moment need to power in january as being extremely active. he was in china, he's been in europe. you wasn't that it states. he's trying to move all over the

world and he's presenting brazil as a, as or like an active diplomatic act or whether latin america can follow those steps . the steps of brazil is to be seen yet because as we see, the region is having a very turbulent time right now. many governments are having internal problems of the case of virgin ti navigates venezuela. they're not so easy. they have magic replacements again, and we're seeing it's a nomic turmoil that has to have also political consequences. brazil and lou lovely this experience is trying to make things faster and better whether he be able to achieve it. that's something different. so that's why is that the word that he did, the beginning might be too much over stretch of that capacity makes it also very weak. lots of moving parts there even more to it around this, sorry, of the university of and so thank you so much. thank you. as our time, but make sure to stay in touch. you can fall our t on twitter at the the we news i myself. nicole underscore quarterly. back with

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