the, the and diplomatic circles, the broad consensus is that the war and ukraine will and not on the battlefields, but at the negotiating table. but the how, when, and where of it or anyone's guess, while the blood shed in ukraine, drugs on the list of those offering to mediate gross longer and longer south africa as part of what aspires to be. the african leaders piece mission, a group of 6 african nations seeking to be part of the solution. but with the regions historic ties to russia, concerns are that some of the, one of the mediators might be closer to the aggressor and to the victims. i'm gonna call for lincoln berlin, and this is the day the prison put in prison. zalinski agreed to that they would be willing to receive

the mission of the african heads of states and russia will take part in the summit on a proper level. i believe that you agree and really needs to fix that for me is the countries okay. i forgot to continue. anyone who is attempting to so hopefully that will, should be given the child also on the day, the faces charges of war crimes of the international criminal court. over the abduction of thousands of ukrainian children, ukraine's president will load them as a landscape determined that they won't be staying where they are. i see that this program has just started and it started, well, we brought the 300 children back home to ukraine. we want to bring them all back home, all come to the show. it's not often that the presidents of ukraine and russia

agree on something a bunch of their south african counterpart is to be believed. they both have agreed to discuss an end to the conflict with an african leaders piece mission. separately, of course, the continental legitimate reason to seek an end to the war. it has greatly disrupt that food supply chains and regions that were heavily relied on ukrainian weight and grain. but there are concerns about the neutrality of the aspiring mediators, especially south africa. a fellow brakes member with historically close ties to russia just weeks ago. remo postal government was accused of providing weapons to moscow. so analysts are questioning why african nations are really attempting to position themselves as mediators, you know, surprise, move 6 african lee does say they will take part in emission to mediate an end to the war in ukraine. they'd be present center go uganda,

zambia campbell brezza view egypt. and so that was president announced the initiative to lead us that i had occasion to speak to that as prison, fulton, and president lensky. i agreed, there would be willing to receive admission of the african heads of states and both must go and keep waiting, but then you'd fairly t o. some of these african countries in particular, south africa, has been called into question because of they have close ties with russia of the us, his use of the goals supporting russia with it, sees it russian vis. so the lady ira picked up. we points when he don't, it is so that he can level best in december. so that if he got denies the accusations russian for in the meanest sig, lovegrove sees only china, his presented brand indies, now waiting for proposal from africa and brazil for each. but ukraine has also

acknowledged the need to, to improve ties with africa. ukraine plans that to open more embassies in africa and hold as somebody to with the lead us from the continent. yeah. unfortunately. so crane dozer, but i believe that to create and really need to fix that for me in the countries. ok, i forgot to continue school content that we needed to work with for many years so we didn't pay attention to it. ok. i think it's a big mistake. yeah. talk. all right, i mean, you said it's a little boy. oh good. but if i think of nations that have failed to jointly solve conflicts on the continent like you'd shop, you also done what hold do they have of making a difference in ukraine is situational for anyone who is attempting to cover that wall should be given the chance so if, because of then closing this to the elections, and also getting countries possibly got by to bloody as

a member of the links the group, if it's can use, it's called z meeting to russia, to influenza russia, to top of the wall, then that would be welcome, the ukraine will his lift. many african countries at all is that with each other in the united nations and majority chose to abstain from fussing at least lucy and to condemn, right? she has envisioned. but the reason africa needs to push for piece may be closer to home, the war, his width and for the fuel and the cost of living crisis in many countries. lead is now thinking of the domestic benefits that piece in ukraine could bring peace efforts aside. the russian and south african leaders are already scheduled to meet later this year. that's alongside india, china and brazil. the other 3 brakes members of the summit of the group posted by south africa. but pretoria faces

a diplomatic dilemma of the russian liter actually attends the break summits and johannesburg in august. and the international criminal court has issued an arrest warrant against him for the war. crime of abducting ukrainian children unless you could in theory be arrested upon setting foot in south africa. and the kremlin spokesman says moscow is still waking up in what way it will be represented at the summit, where she is. russia thinks that development of this form up to the integration is very important. and russia will take part in this summit here on a proper level don't. we will fill you in on all the details later. as well, south africa's leading opposition parties as it is taking legal action to force the government to arrest flooding more prudent if he does indeed turn off for the brake summit. on tuesday, the democratic alliance parties said it launched

a court application to ensure the government detains the russian leader and hands them over to the i. c. c. here's part of their statement. if president vladimir putin arrives in south africa to attend the break summit and upon receipt of a request from the international criminal court to arrest, putting the south african government must immediately detain and surrender. president fulton to the i. c. c. one of the people behind this chord application as the democratic alliance of glen is bright and boss. she's south africa shadow minister of justice. miss button buck, welcome to the day the south african government has just granted diplomatic immunity to all participants of the break summit. is this an automatic, don't go to jail card for food? good evening. absolutely not. a, the diplomatic immunity extended to advocates for the big summit is a, is a, a mirror formality. it does not, it does not include in unity,

full precedence for whom they are, words of arrest issued and they haven't made it clear, but that does not cover uh, somebody locked the prison fusion who has an international orange for he is there is so if it comes we will be obliged to, erased him, agitated, remained handyman. do you think that is going to happen though? a sincerely happiness. i hope he doesn't come. uh, the obvious thing for our government to do would be to restore the invitation. but if he does cover me in system coming then now governance must make it clear to him that they will be obliged to meet their international obligations. it'll be obliged to give you fix to the warrant and race from the international criminal court. they would have to do cheney, and they were left to deliver into the international criminal court. so if you kind of becomes the f address. but then the members of the ruling party,

the and see of actually said that they will welcome him with open arms in the country. why do they seem to be so keen to say and who is good graces? well, you know, i and government as a, as you started go connection with russia 31994, a lot of support was given by restaurants a is a certain amount of video loyalty. this isn't wrong with having a just america relationship with russia. why they, why our government is frustrating. such a and the car is utilized. the dresser uh is, is not clear and this is not popular. mm hm. i'm rolling out the red carpet for a wanted war criminal, which looks very likely is going to happen. come august, what consequences do you think that could have for south africa? yeah, you know the, the reason why we approach the ports are indicated to order in,

in this matter is simply so that they can be no. and the guarantee about what are our obligations all. so we're hoping that the courts will issue an order that sits up aside from the steps to be checked in the student does come. it is, and it does 6 o'clock in suggesting the rooms that you we've also the mr. guides of the law. so when it arrives in terms of services, i'm going to give a 5th to the read instead. is one of those essential if he comes in there and our government does not comply with subjugation? this could be a just asked us for the country. we've already been very listed by the financial engine task force has got a huge amount of interest. you lift desperate listing globally, if we continue to cause you to choose the russians and the why was done, there's some par, uh then uh, regardless,

status is this guy dressed and he cannot make me so i basically cannot afford to be kicked out of a it's a huge boon for our economy and, and our government just like a very dangerous game. and your party is rallying for food is to not come to south africa. if he does come to south africa, you want to see him arrested. how much public support do you have in that endeavor as well? you know, it just starts with the school direction. i'm quite sure if it's ever over your hair, significant public support responsible citizens inside. so could you not want to welcome a one to 2 minutes or one to enroll terminals to so that's a good certainly using the space we want to occupy. so i'm quite sure of it. by the time of is comes, you're going to have new, significant support and, and if you does kind of, then we certainly do one subject that you comply with the guidelines in terms of

the rooms that you can once in a race that we want them to change and we wanted him delivered to the head in south africa as trying to position himself as a mediator between the warring factions in ukraine. um, do you think this government is as well place to play such an important role in this conflict, or are they too close to the russian leadership? well, you're a president again today in parliament, a told us that they intend to play this role a mediator. um we have our government does have a video cards relationship with refreshing, the, the tech and what they call a non partisan storms on the, on the you can construct a but the non partisan stand is the is, is be large by the fact that they continue to visit the pressure defense most

a spends a lot of time visiting russia just played for some obscure reason, just play video games with russia in china and now coastal waters. so yeah, you try and maybe well us as um, as a way to class the rest of the media sion row, that was glen as brighton box as a member of the south african parliament and the shadow minister of justice. thank you for your time. so why does lot of input and have this problem moving freely on the world stage, because ukraine's of 19000 children were forcibly removed and the russian president stands accused of being behind their lawful and deportation. the international criminal court says that a war crime and issued an international arrest warrant against him, while ukraine's children endorse the trauma of growing up in a war zone. ukrainian president zelinski has turned his focus to one of the wars most shocking casualties. human rights was countries,

children though it but would you give us a ukrainian policeman, helps 3 orphans getting ready to be evacuated. the children being taken to stay with relatives after a show exploded in the back yard. but in many ukrainian children have been forcibly taken to russia. instead, cave estimates nearly 20000 have been a legally deported president zelinski is on a mission to get them back. this newly opened the child rights protection center in caves, task adjust that as well as providing medical and psychological help to children who have become victims of crime or witness to them during the war. i see that this program has just started and it started, well. we brought over 300 children back home to ukraine, but we want to bring all of them back home. this,

the international criminal court has issued an arrest warrant for pretend, and the russians commission of the children's rights maria, level of up alova, accusing them of abducting ukrainian children. a war crime of the russia says, these are evacuations, not abductions. they claim to be protecting children by removing them from the conflicts on the reports of children being held in russian pre education camps all being moved around to different locations, making it harder for the families to find them as lead to accusations of genocide. yeah. what is the main task is to return document on hold the russian federation accountable, as well as the criminals who actually continued to kill the future of us state, which is the future of all children. until then, oh sorry, she's continue to work for the say for 10 and for a safe ukraine for them to return to get some more context to unless

it's my pleasure to welcome maria of david. she's a security analyst of the european expert association and joins us tonight from keith. most of the good to see 20000 children are reported to have been abducted as russia using these kidnappings as a weapon of war. oh, absolutely, and uh i am myself. uh was 2 kids, so oh wow. one of these work, ryan, this was happening. and there is an orphanage there from about 60 children to the doctor illegally deported to russia. and the russia is not even trying to hide deed they've a parade in this deport patients. and the lights are on these children. they've put into the russian, orphanages. and i just saw the v do a very recei. uh you bring in children in the orphanage in russia and russian military abuse is meet them down and talking to them about the notification of

ukraine. and we have to know that many parents of these children were killed because of the war started by russia. so this is not all it, they walk, right? this is also in human and, but body a behavior of, of russia using this children as a rap on in the war. mm. but many times the parents are actually still alive and the children are just being told that their parents gave them up. isn't that also the case? but russian officials, i'm actually admitted to placing hundreds of ukrainian children and russian families and assigning the russian nationality that in and of itself is already a violation of international law. how does the kremlin justify those as well? absolutely. they what they do is they erase or try to raise the identity of ukraine and children by doing this. and processes that taking children out of the consulate and doing. but if we look in the international equity into all the conventions,

international conventions, children have to be taken out of the content on, but that they have to be returned back to their families. as soon as it is possible was returned to the to the native country, which drops it doesn't do that. on the contrary, they as dry as soon as possible to grant them russian citizens see. some is it, they never ask the children if they're willing to do so. and in fact it lead meal and move up below. but which was mentioned in your program. she herself to one of these 2 brand new young children and calls him a rush and a citizen now. so this is not just a case one case of several cases. this is a mess if a different station of children, which should be prosecuted according to the international, out of all the missing children that you're talking about. just about 370, have been reunited with their families. how are you creating authorities going

about finding them and safely bringing them home? this is a huge problem to reduce this to invent back to ukraine because russia, as i said, is trying to give them russian citizenship very soon. and then they say, these are rational citizens now, and they are not going to give them back to ukraine. so this is going case by case and rossa says that the children have to be taken back to you green by their parents, which in many cases cannot happen because sometimes children have lost both of the parents. sometimes the parents are in the military and just physically cannot go to russia. well, there are other situations when ferns cannot physically go and take the children back. so russia is trying to do ever since, to, to hold as children on the russian territory so that they will become citizens of

russia. and this is why the number is so low and this is why so there's so much effort is being taken into the programs that will allow to, to move to your brain more children. and to save this children, that's the name of the one of the programs said you bring young children. yeah. what international assistance is ukraine getting in the finding and, and saving these children? oh, there is a special uh program and the special data base where uh these children is a waste of these children which were deported to raw stuff. but a, we have to understand that the situation is very difficult because russia was taken most of the funds from the territory is that the hope you find. and so it's very difficult to say how many of the children were taken out and was them because russia is not willing to share it any information. so they try to uh,

to hide any information available and do not let you bring in a storage. just know what to for his children and where are they? so even gives a family that is looking for a key. it's very difficult for them to find out where he or she is, especially if it's that younger age. children who can not communicate by themselves with their families, put in the president himself, is wanted for war crimes in relation to these systematic abductions as you've described them. how can this be traced back to him? it's very simple. it's all. this is the accusation to him, not a for any of the christ that russia or he's himself has to me to buy specifically for these because of putting himself said like do in order to fulfill these different patient of you grading young children. and there are

numerous vito's of human talk in the robot below and given this order, and then also taking reports from bill of causes. deforestation is happening. and there are specific rules and specifically geneva convention, which say, call children on the occupied territories to be treated as in no way they shouldn't be deported to the audit conference. this is a violation of international law. it is very clear here, and there are others. the do us, we show us russian, we do a swede show us how russian military it is taking you brand new and children out of the, or fund that just taking them to the territory of russia. so we have a complete criminal case here, or what, but one person, one thing that we didn't use the order for us in the military or full fields that were there. and you bring young children on me since because of the day on the territory across and there are some doesn't say where they are and then what's

condition security analyst, maria of the well, thank you so much for those insight. thank you. the grains army has specialized drone brigades, finding the russian troops on ukrainian territory. both sides and the conflict have deployed unmanned aerial vehicles with russia using a rainy and made drones to regularly bomb cities, including the capital. key of our next report looks at how ukraine is using drones to outsmart the russian forces. a safe distance from the hail that his bus moved vile in t, ms. cradling the eyes of ukrainian army on his shoulder. this little drawer and takes its name from the local ward for stork. and it's no, i'm much valued asset ukrainian fighters engaged in trench warfare as it spies on

their enemies from above. the book, the book over the people who knows that their size of a certain operation may depend on the work and efficiency of the way, the unit to communication this work carries much responsibility in order to, to utilize. so those are the 2, the possible recognizance drones, also known as u. e. v. have picked up images like this. russian infantry throwing a blanket over their hurts in bus, moved a russian trucks. how you doing in the forest to to but it saves lives. either you go ahead lined and walk into a trap, or you get guidance from the sky because this was my for the and then there are the attack drones jeep. nimble. unpacked with explosives. they're capable of landing a deadly blow on unsuspecting combatants. select because of the eyes of the army. these are the fest

for the drone, which you go to $300.00 and can be bought in any will be solved is capable of destroying online. it is not our team has done it. many die on the settle below. if you have destroyed the enemy's banks, have you ministry equipment and personnel is onto some very effective guy. just a simple way of cut. the thing that goes, no wonder that you created on the set to be investing heavily in such low cost kamikaze drones and the teams needed to operate. and so just he claimed these weapons, unlike others, aren't heavy as to rushes jamming systems. that's our time, but make sure to stay informed. stay engaged and stay in touch. you can fall our team onto their apps that we use as myself advocate underscore coordination. thank you so much for spending parts of your day with the

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