and diplomatic circles, the broad consensus is that the war and ukraine will and not on the battlefields, but at the negotiating table. but the how, when, and where of it or anyone's guess, while the blood shed in ukraine drags on the list of those offering to mediate gross longer and longer south africa is part of what aspires to be. the african leaders piece mission, a group of 6 african nations seeking to be part of the solution. but with the regions historic ties to russia, concerns are that some of the, one of the mediators might be closer to the aggressor and to the victims. i'm gonna call for lincoln berlin, and this is the day the prisons put in prison. zalinski agreed to that there would be willing to receive

the mission of the african heads of states and russia will take part in this summit on a proper level. i believe that you agree and really needs to fix that. for me is the country's okay. i forgot to continue. anyone who is attempting to stop the war shouldn't be given the child. also on the day the faces charges of war, crimes of the international criminal court over the abduction of thousands of ukrainian children, ukraine's president below them are the landscape determined that they won't be staying where they are. i see that this program has just started and it started, well, we brought the 300 children back home to ukraine. we want to bring them all back. a welcome to the show. it's not often that the presence of ukraine and russia agree

on something that's of the south african countered part is to be believed. they both have agreed to discuss an end to the conflict with an african leaders peace submission. separately, of course, the continental legitimate reason to seek an end to the war and as greatly disrupt that food supply chains and regions that were heavily relied on ukraine in weight and grain. but there are concerns about the neutrality of the aspiring mediators, especially south africa. a fellow brakes member with historically close ties to russia just weeks ago. remo postal government was accused of providing weapons to moscow. so analysts are questioning why african nations are really attempting to position themselves as mediators no surprise move 6 african lee does say they will take part in admission to media at an end to the war in you create the present center go uganda, zambia campbell brezza view egypt,

and so that was president, announced the initiative to lead us that i had occasion to speak to that his prison put him in prison. lensky agreed, there would be willing to receive admission of the african heads of states and both must go and keep waiting. but then you'd fairly t or some of these of you can countries in particular, south africa has been called into question because of they have close ties with the rush. you, i of the us, his use of the goals supporting russia with it, sees it russian vis. so the lady ira picked up. we points when he don't, it is so that he can level best in december. so that if you got denies the accusations russian for in the meanest say get love ruled saves on the china, his presented brand. and he's now waiting for proposal from africa and brazil for each but ukraine has also acknowledged the need to,

to improve ties with africa. ukraine plans that to open more embassies in africa and hold as somebody to with the lead us from the continent. yeah, unfortunately. so crane dozer, but i believe that to create and really need to fix that for me in the countries. okay. i forgot to continue to contend that we needed to work with for many years. we didn't pay attention to it. okay. i think it's a big mistake. yeah, cause i mean, usually it's, it's a little boy. oh good. but if i think of nations that have failed to jointly solve conflicts on the continent like you'd shop, you also done. what whole do they have of making a difference in ukraine? is situational for anyone who is attempting to still available should be given the chance. so if, because of then closing this to the elections, and also getting countries south africa by to bloody as a member of the links the group, if it's can use, it's called z meeting to russia,

to influenza russia. to stop the war, then that would be welcome. the ukraine will, has left many african countries at all with each other in the united nations. and majority chose to abstain from fussing at least lucy and to condemn, right. she has envisioned. but the reason africa needs to push will piece may be closer to home, the war, his width and for the fuel and the cost of living crisis in many countries. lead is now thinking of the domestic benefits that piece in ukraine could bring peace efforts aside. the russian and south african leaders are already scheduled to meet later this year. that's alongside india, china and brazil. the other 3 brakes members of the summit of the group posted by south africa. but pretoria faces a diplomatic dilemma of the russian liter actually attends the break summits and

johannesburg in august. and the international criminal court has issued an arrest warrant against him for the war. crime of abducting ukrainian children unless he could in theory be arrested upon setting foot in south africa. and the kremlin spokesman says moscow is still waking up in what way it will be represented at the summit prussia. russia thinks that development of this full months and integration is very important, and russia will take part in this summit on a proper level don't. we will fill you in on all the details later. as well, south africa's leading opposition parties as it is taking legal action to force the government to arrest flooding more prudent if he does indeed turn off for the brake summit. on tuesday, the democratic alliance parties said it launched a court application to ensure the government detains the russian leader and hands

them over to the i. c. c. here's part of their statement. if president vladimir putin arrives in south africa to attend the break summit and upon receipt of a request from the international criminal court to arrest, putting the south african government must immediately detain and surrender. president fulton to the i. c. c. one of the people behind this chord application as a democratic alliance is glen as bright and bach. she's south africa shadow minister of justice. miss button buck, welcome to the day the south african government has just granted diplomatic immunity to all participants of the brick summit. is this an automatic, don't go to jail card for food and good evening. absolutely not. a, the diplomatic immunity extended to advocates for the big summit is a, is a, a mirror formality. it does not, it does not include in unity for precedence for whom they are,

words of arrest issued and they ever made is clear that that does not cover. uh, somebody locked the prism fusion who has an international warranty or he is there is. so if he comes, we will be obliged to erase the advertising, even handyman. do you think that is going to happen though? i hope it doesn't come. uh, the obvious thing for our government to do would be to restore the invitation. uh, but it does cover me in system coming then. now governance must make it clear to me that they will be obliged to meet their international obligations. there'll be a block to give you fix to the warrant and race from the international criminal court. they would have to do training and they were left to deliver into the international criminal code. so you kind of becomes the f address. mm. but then the members of the ruling party, the and see have actually said that they will welcome him with open arms in the

country. why do they seem to be so keen to say and who is good graces? well, you know. a and government has a historical connection with russia. 390 and 94. a lot of support was given by restaurants. a is a certain amount of video loyalty this um also we're all members of the big scrapings. so, um, you know, it is, it, there's nothing wrong with having a diplomatic relationship with russia. why they, why our government is frustrating, such a immediate cause. utilize the progressive is, is not clear and certainly not popular. mm. rolling out the red carpet for a wanted war criminal, which looks very likely is going to happen. come august. what consequences do you

think that could have for south africa? yeah, you know, the, the reason why we approach the port for dakota to order in, in this matter is simply so that they can be know and be guaranteed about what are our obligations all. so we're hoping that the courts will issue an order that sits up aside from this tips to be checked in a student does come. of course, um and, and, and those states are quite can suggesting the reps that you we've also domestic guys in that law. so when it arrives in terms of services and going to get it fixed to the right extension is one of those essential if she comes in there and our government does not comply with the subjugation. this could be a disastrous for the country. we've already been very listed by the financial engine task force and a huge amount of effort to lift desperate listing globally. if we continue to cause

you to choose the russians in the why wasn't governors and cost of in a regardless, status is this guy just cannot make these obviously could cannot afford to be kicked out of a it's a huge boon for our economy and, and our government just dying of a dangerous game and your party is rallying for food is to not come to south africa . if he does come to south africa, you want to see him arrested. how much public support do you have in that endeavor as well? you know, it just starts with the school definition. i'm quite sure of it over over your hair . a significant public support responsible for the inside. so could you not want to welcome a one to 2 minutes or one to enroll terminals to service? it certainly isn't the space we want to occupy. so i'm quite sure of it. by the

time one of us comes we will have new, significant support and, and if you does kind of, then we certainly do one as of interest that you comply with the guidelines in terms of the rooms that you can once in a race that we want them to change and we want to deliver to that in south africa is trying to position itself as a mediator between the warring factions in ukraine. um, do you think this government is as well place to play such an important role in this conflict, or are they too close to the russian leadership? well, you're a president again today in parliament uh told us that they intend to play this role a mediator. um we have our government does have a video cards relationship with, with the rest and the, the tech and what they call a non partisan storms on the, on the you can construct a but a non partisan stand is the is the largest. 3 suspected they

continue to visit pressure. defense moves to spend a lot of time visiting russia just played for some obscure reason, just play video games with russia in china and now coastal waters. so yeah, you try and maybe, well us as them as a way to class the rest of the media sion row. that was glen as brighton box is a member of the south african parliament and the shadow minister of justice. thank you for your time. so why does lot of input and have this problem moving freely on the world stage, because ukraine's of 19000 children were forcibly removed and the russian president stands accused of being behind their lawful and deportation. the international criminal court says that a war crime and issued an international arrest warrant against him, all ukraine's children endorse the trauma of growing up in a war zone. ukrainian president zalinski has turned his focus to one of the wars

most shocking casualties. human rights of his country's children though it but would you give us a ukrainian policeman, helps 3 orphans getting ready to be evacuated. the children being taken to stay with relatives after a show exploded in the back yard. but in many ukrainian children have been forcibly taken to russia. instead, cave estimates nearly 20000 have been a legally deported president zelinski is on a mission to get them back. this newly opened the child rights protection center in caves task with just that, as well as providing medical and psychological help to children who have become victims of crime or witness to them during the war. i see that this program has just started and it started well and we brought over 300 children

back home to crane, but we want to bring all of them back home. this, the international criminal court has issued an arrest warrant for person and the russians commission of the children's rights. maria, little of up below, of, uh, accusing them of abducting ukrainian children, a war crime. russia says these are evacuations, not abductions. they claim to be protecting children by removing them from the conflict on the reports of children being held in russian re education camps all being moved around to different locations, making it harder for their families to find them as lead to accusations of genocide . yeah. what are some of the main task is to return document on hold the russian federation accountable, as well as the criminals who actually continued to kill the future of us state, which is the future of all children until then. oh,

sorry to use continue to work for the say for 10, and for a safe ukraine for them to return to get some more context unless it's my pleasure to welcome maria of david. she's a security analyst and the european expert association and joins is tonight from key. most of these are good to see you. 20000 children are reported to have been abducted. is russia using these kidnappings as a weapon of war or so up, so little to a and uh, i myself, uh, was 2 kids. so. oh wow. one of these work, ryan, this was happening. and there is an orphanage there from bad 60 children adopted illegally deported to russia, and the russia is not even trying to hide deed they've a parade in this deport patients. and they'll, later on these children, they'll put into the russian, orphanages. and i just saw them do a very recei uh you bring in children in the orphanage in russia. and russian

military views is meet them down and talking to them about the notification of ukraine. and we have to know that many parents of these children were killed because of the war started by russia. so this is not all it, they won't cry. this is also in human and bird body, a behavior of, of russia using this children as a rep on in the war. mm hm. but many times the parents are actually still alive and the children are just being told that their parents gave them up. isn't that also the case, but russian officials, i'm actually admitted to placing hundreds of ukrainian children in russian families and assigning the russian nationality that in and of itself is already a violation of international law. how does the kremlin justify those as well? absolutely. they what they do is they erase or try to erase the identity of you creating and children by doing this and of science that taking children out of the

consulate and doing. but if we look in the international law, according to all the conventions, international conventions, children have to be taken out of the contents on, but that they have to be returned back to their families as soon as it is possible, or return to the to the native country which raso doesn't do. on the contrary, they as dry as soon as possible to grant them russian citizens see. some is it, they never ask the children if they're willing to do so. and in fact, it lead meal and will do all that which was mentioned in your program. she herself to one of these ukranian children and called him a russian citizen now. so this is not just a case one case of several cases. this is myself, a different station of children, which shouldn't be prosecuted according to the international,

the out of all the missing children that you're talking about, just about 370, have been reunited with their families. how are you creating authorities going about finding them? and safely bringing them home to this is a huge problem to return this children back to ukraine because russia, as i said, is trying to give them russian citizenship very soon. and then they say, these are rational citizens now, and they are not going to give them back to ukraine. so this is going case by case and the process says that the children have to be taken back to your brain by their parents, which in many cases cannot happen because sometimes children have lost both of the parents. sometimes the friends are in the military and just physically cannot go to russia. well, there are other situations when friends cannot physically go and take the children back. so, rasa is trying to do ever since, to,

to hold his children on the russian territory so that they will become citizens of russia. and this is why the number is so low and this is why so there's so much effort is being taken into the programs that will allow to, to move to your brain a more children. and to save this children, that's the name of the one on that program. so saves you brain and children. yeah. what international assistance is ukraine getting in the finding and, and saving these children? oh, there is a special program and the special data base where as these children is a waste of these children, which were deported to ra stuff. but a, we have to understand that the situation is very difficult because russia was taking most of the war funds from the territory. is that what you find? and so it's very difficult to say how many of the children were taken out and for

them, because russia is not willing to share it any information. so they try to uh, to hide any information available and do not let you granules a sore. it does know what to for his children and where are they? so even gives a family that is looking for a kid. it's very difficult for them to find out where he or she is. especially if it's that younger age. children who cannot communicate by themselves with their families approved in the president himself, is wanted for war crimes in relation to these systematic abductions as you've described them. how can this be traced back to him? so it's very simple. it's all, this is the accusation to him. not a for any of the christ that russia or she himself has to me to. but specifically for these, because of putting himself said like do in order to fulfill

this, the patient of you grading young children. and there are numerous vito's of human talk in the robot below and given this or there. and then also taking reports from bill of causes. deforestation is happening and there are specific rules. and specifically, geneva convention, we say, call children on the occupied territories to be treated as in no way they shouldn't be deported to the all the conference. this is a violation of international law. it is very clear here, and there are other doors which show us russian. we just would show us how russian military is taking your brand new children out of the or from that just taking them to the territory of raw stuff. so we have a complete criminal case here of 11 for some blood team. if we didn't use that for their, for us in the military,

full seals that were there. and you bring young children on me since because they are on the territory across and draw some doesn't say where they are and then what's condition security analyst, maria of data. thank you so much for those insight. thank you. your greens army has specialized drill and brigades finding the russian troops on ukrainian territory. both sides in the conflict have deployed unmanned aerial vehicles with russia using a reigning main drones to regularly bomb cities, including the capital. key of our next report looks at how ukraine is using drones to outsmart the russian forces. a safe distance from the hail that his bus moved vile in t, ms. cradling the eyes of the ukrainian army on his shoulder. this little drawing takes its name from the local ward flushed dark, and it's no,

i'm much valued asset ukrainian fighters engaged in trench warfare as it spies on their enemy from above. the book, the book over the people who knows that's their size of a certain operation may depend on the work and efficiency of the way, the unit to communication this work carries much responsibility in order to, to utilize. so those are the 2, the possible recognizance drones, also known as u. e. v. have picked up images like this. russian infantry throwing a blanket over their hurts in bus, moved a russian trucks. how you doing in the forest due to me, but it saves lives. either you go ahead, blind and walk into a trap, or you get guidance from the sky because with this was my for the and then there are the attack drones jeep. nimble unpacked with explosives, they're capable of landing a deadly blow on unsuspecting combatants. select because of the eyes of the army.

these are the fest for the drone, which you go to $300.00 and can be bought in any will be solved, is capable of destroying online at the end of our team has done many die on the settle below. if we have destroyed the enemy's bank, swiftly, have you been pre equipment? unfortunate is onto some very effective gadgets to bully scott, but the nicholas no wonder that you created on the set to be investing heavily in such low cost kamikaze drones. and the teams needed to operate them. so just he claimed these weapons, unlike others, aren't heavy as to rushes, jamming systems. that's our time, but make sure to stay informed. stay engaged and stay in touch. even fall our team on twitter apps that we use as myself as the colt underscore coordination. thank you so much for spending parts of joining with us. the

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