to be within reason what do you see? it really is possible to reverse the researchers and scientists all over the world. for you know, race against time. they are peers and rivals with one daring goals to help smart nature. the more likes watching it on youtube dw documentary 7, almost 5 months of virtual style made on the battlefields of ukraine. and yet, europe and america are clear that key f one gets a fight to aircraft and long range weapon systems as well. so what's the ground phone is seen from brussels? is the one i guess to show me, show president of the european council. this is very clear that you do have,

we think, you know, the considering to just to return the superintendent to feel create a user victory, a feel, create the need seem to clear. and what about the confusion of a policy on china present? a macro says taiwan, isn't your business. your of us foreign policy chief says it really is. whatever happens to unity, the european union savvy shout of welcome to come to thank you. let's talk 1st about the war and ukraine. if we may, for the past few months, has been very little movement on the battlefields of ukraine. the west, you included, has given large amounts of aid and weapons, but clearly not enough to move the war into us. direction is the danger now that you are beginning to normalize a stalemate is very clear that the on the was side, you determined to do everything to simple, to create a specialist return. and you're absolutely right. it's a very tricky after the start of the 1st year,

the division looks by russia. we decided to provide community recruitment. this the 1st time in european union's history. the 2 took such a decision. and since then together we have a partner as our allies across the us. we provide to minutes are supposed to create, we provide financial means to ukraine. we had to clean or support the my 3 sites. it's not enough to move though is, is you, i just one of the example a few weeks ago we to the decision to, to work, to get the human boosters to produce a munition. because we feel that the dispute to strengthen our defense industrial business in order to speed up and you're absolutely right that it's important to do everything to, to accelerate efforts. this is really important that the uh, the ukrainians made the shows to to is this the extremely true interest and is a tragedy for them? and this is what i would do to our responsibility is everything returned, you know,

the to assist to, to support them. and of course, the impressed with the relationship with the you at the moment, ukraine's foreign minister. dimitri could, eva has complained bitterly that the e u was failing to implement its own decision. i'm on the i munition to purchase ammunition for the country because member states, we're arguing over which suppliers, based with academics and since and sign a contract. and since that statement made by them. so for the fact we had the opportunity to clarify with the printer authorities and you know, the truth was wasted. we are, we are in trust and turn tact, teresa prisons and winston and was the ukraine authorities. and i can, we assure you that the, the know that we are reliable friends and reliable thoughts. and to also know that this is step to imagine that we do everything to speed up taking significant political decisions. this is very clear that there says 20 political choice on this

is you side to, to, to, to, to be active, no support to your credit. but the reality that they, we still imagined bullet faces. we need to make sure that we reproduce more munition in the weeks and months to come. this clip as deputy andre melnick says that wolf fatigue among you members is now the biggest challenge for his country. there's a feeling he said that now the tank issue has been settled. people can put their feet up. a lot of them still don't understand that the war is far from over the sea, right? to worry about war 50 in the you know, it is very clear that we moved to convince our citizens across the you. what fixed it is, the future of the european union, the future of our, our citizens will secuity our prosperity. but not sure if we looked at the situation a few months ago, i'm absolutely convinced that the 14th touch relation was the will for to what the

inputs simply change for the european union to stick to death to be united in putting a discriminant by surprise. because we are able to stick together, we are able to have the support of public opinion across the working. and we were a but we have been able to, to, to, to, to, to, to stick together with our northern america allies and other pop difficult. when you say that, but your phone policy chief, you as a barrel said recently for june and maintaining a you, unity against russians invasion has not always been easy. some states complained others disagree, but in the end we maintain the unity. so you've papered over the cracks, what, what could open those cracks up again, this is, this is very clear that the unit, it requires a lot of effort. but the fax, all the facts we should be able for instance, a to fiction were shot. you remember that the a lot has been search on some was also of the fund mentation. on the new side,

we took the decisions all together on 10 packages of sanctions and we are implementing these positions. so essentially, we are working together to be like the international community on the international stage where i work in research africa within the process through respect to the met with, you know, the to explain to odd you as a, to try to print things. and sometimes you have to have the last one, sanctions come i just or, you know, make a point here, but you're still using vast quantities of russian oil supplied mainly by laundromat countries. these are countries that loan the, the oil for most go and sell it on to you. china, india, turkey. you a single pool. do you know about this? have a switch, look what finds what the russian or what was, what was the situation a few minutes ago and a few minutes ago we were on the european so rooted dependent on the russian force in fuchs. and only in a few minutes, we succeeded to 3 decisions in order to,

to reduce our dependencies and the doors to, and those dependencies on the rest of the aggression. for some shows, this is why cause this is every call you. why didn't you close this loop? does this, does this what we are doing while working today? we hoffman the, to close all the different loopholes with please, would you prefer the european union? nothing to position for during to the supply of energy resources for our businesses, for our hostile, what do you prefer? the collapse of the european union? i suppose that is not what you are advocating for, and that's why we need to be reasonable to be rushing to an intermediate term. and it's exactly what we are doing. on the one hand, we do not through our long term strategy, we want to more renewable energy on the new side. we what we want to more independence in terms of the energy policy on the new site. and also to make sure that we defend our economic bases. and if we just trend the social institution of

our citizen, you mentioned the risk of will for teens and you are right. these are important to work in order to avoid being victim of social risk is free one to 2 to support the 1st citizens if it's important to demonstrate that you are working, you know, the also to overcome the energy challenges for instance. yeah. but if you want to do something about war fatigue, isn't it time for a clear explanation of the new strategic objectives for ukraine and russians? plenty of generalized promises we've heard from you. you told ukraine in february, the european union will support you in every way we come for as long as it takes a can i can i just ask the question, for as long as what takes, what exactly does this promise mean? this is very clear. and the original austin's depression is interesting because so it shows that i'm not exactly sure the windshield approach in our approach is nothing new which has to which makes it easy to, to decide when it's over to make the promise. please please let me hear different

pictures and twice when you're christian. i will, i will answer with pleasure your question. we should the ukrainians. they have the responsibility just as a suffering transferring to the side when and the way in which elements in that you know, the to, to assist. when does each time to, to, to, to, to open a new, a new chapter. and that's why we all support industries for me, the developed and proposed by president, let me see. and it's why the also support this idea to have an, an international piece assignment, you know, the to defend the ukrainian position in spite by what we believe in the move to the, to an older, the boost international older. the thing we talk about integrity and solving to of the different uh, of, of, of nations because the, what is the, you scared of russia? you said in february, we're not intimidated and will not be intimidated by the kremlin, because ukraine and the u. r. family. but the truth is, the west is very much intimidated by russia,

is that the only reason for not giving key if the weapons ones is your fear of escalation with ad and perhaps of new care conflict, and you need to be treated. remember, at the beginning of the will launched by russia. this what's important for us on the one hand, to support your crew. on the other hand, not to be pots into 250, another 2 to avoid any resurfaced generation. and it's very clear to try to the example of the nuclear weapons that we got in the sun when we induce china, for instance. another 2 tons is domestic tribute to china, including to be very fun and very clear. the news and even the threats of nuclear weapons is not responsible. and we need to do every seem to know the to me show it to not to be used when we supposed to hear the positions in separation. for instance, another to present any we surface collision. it shows that you are serious, we are responsible. and again, the ukrainians people and then you finish october the new executive. what we are

doing is, you know, the to have been to exist with most of the year into this war, which may well define europe's security architecture for generations to come. and we're still not sure what the use objectives. uh so. so what is the big plan? because what scenario do you envisage it total frozen conflict? after all the killing and destruction? these 2 countries, i'm not going to just shake hands and be friends, sunday. what, what, what's the big plan for if this war with this war finally comes to the plan and the promise of erecting interest is situated and prosperity. and the situation seems to me, easy, easy to say, and difficult to implement. yep. so too, right? but this also what we do to in what we have been doing a full this is a across that you worked in 20 minutes. but it is very,

very clear that the what we face a treasure that 1st for the you're creating people. so don't you test an impact on the security and the prosperity across the world? and that's why i strongly believe in what we told us to like digital a ton of of the opinion i sent it to this turn. 50 is showing that is really important to us in 3 different this trans 1st energy energy independence don't need to explain a lot to why just so we can put and this is very clear, was that the 22nd point you were in defense together. we need to, we can natal, but this is very clear and we are, i think that's what we've mentioned to fast under eruptions. so when some industry decides to reduce the investments in defense, we think central the we meets for 3 to tours. we need to try to tick abilities his needs between the most trojan nation in repeating the liver, and for 3, innovation it to them based on those. it's a guaranteed to persevere within these all the 3, the 3 major pillows and we have

a vision. why? because we found that the future of ukraine and was over, is we send you, this is a very clear message. we just have a clear plan for the future of they were contracting. and wow, presidency. lensky is not getting all the weapons he wants. but what if you can stop losing? this was the contingency plan for that. what if russia against the old starts winning more battles on the ground occupying further territory? what if you wake up and it's too late to get, get to credit, the weapons, it needs the ocean victory. it cannot be an option. and that's why we support new create. and i haven't distorted it to you have your own impression about what we are doing. i can guarantee you with it or them industries old and you were to lead us. they know what extent we were starting. you will not let russia we are you. are you making that drum? this is for with clear. it is why you know, making that from this is very clear that you do have, we think, you know, the 2 german team to, to restore the server into, into it,

to feel create. it means the rich to will feel create with the syndicate. however low no we take and that was a long time that was it sluggish. it takes and i can return it repeated to several times and this treatment exports by $27.00 hit the stairs. i can tell you, i'll never forget to civilian motion the moment, the 1st virtual meeting we've been doing a few hours of to start with the 1st invasion. the 27. you need us. we'll run the same table. we spend function 1st appeared in virtually in the to me since i came to the office, all of us we image, it says the seriousness, the importance of the moment and the twice, only in a few hours. we're going to be able to protect from them. and so this is in terms of support for you. quinn infections against russia. you've spoken by phone to redeem and put in over the course of the last year. if you have to pick one concrete result from the conversation from the discussion, what would it be that when i had the phone portion after the start of the forest

here, like very start the process of the way when i had to do it, those photos we had to choose and to, to focus on some human threads showing as you sent, i sent you an example, one color creatures. obviously this is a, this is very important to know some shumate through agencies. the request for instance. and what's interesting categories, disorganization to make sure that they would have access to some territories into the, to provide some support, such as example, the district of prison us uh, very tricky after the start of the tours started through some international agencies on digital present. these are 2 examples and in point 3 i, i think is very important also uh to, to, to advocate because even when do we, so that was the principal. and this is why we are so committed to mature, to deal with different ability. there is no place we can trinity, are you in the come to says we shouldn't humiliate missed the boot is on that was that i would use pedrosa. this is very clear that the put in his fine to him and it

a big part of the was talking research, the ukraine's, and you said you don't have much sympathy with mr. mckenzie. i, i just wanna talk to you with some new stuff that corporate i wouldn't have used to this. so this, this what, what disabilities, what is very clear. this is very important. also transistors, the west of the world. this is really important because we have our own vision and we, we, we have a very strong chase. we have a fairly to incur print reports that you need to, to, to be signed and the sofa in your opinion, the murder. that's why the corporation, what this one team was doing important, also transistors, effort to reduce restricting and every time between different and defense. if you treated the, in other words, you know, just move others in order to come to the russian food in full force. not right. and what, what are we brushing narratives as well? exactly what just the rest and the 2nd we try to try to find out because i really like to move on to trying to. because badging has been awarded

a lot of face time by european leaders. you yourself met? she didn't think last year. i was struck by your comment on the meeting when you said that both the e, when china have an interest in the rules based world with the un charter at its cool. it really given china's illegal expansion in the south china sea of the massive human rights violations taking place inside the country. it's clear they're not working from the same you enroll book as you are. so what i suggest as a common approach to the rules based, well when they clearly, when it truly is a for the 1st the 1st i, i strongly believe the move to that's what i post. i strongly believe in the the wind shop is this one my question, but i will answer your question. makes it and point to so that i'm looking at it. we know we can observe that china would like to set the international roof is worth the toilet. they put into the inside by the same venue with the, to us on the new side for, for, for, for instance, nation 3 point, you know,

relationship. we start with china. first, we will be always, always fun in predicting and defending the human rights. and the democratic principles is very clear. and systematic. when i hit decision to told was a change of thirty's, i system equity your children to, to, to, to explain our, our convictions on those questions. point 1.2 of so 600 things that you need to. we balance the attributes, relationship between china and the you appear in the union. and this is, this is the idea to the rich relationship free. so yeah, but you start to you flex it, them with the tools, the thing that they what you're that you'll just stay the same rules pay. no, well this is nice. what does this not serious to you? is this uh well, just nothing. i just nothing. how i'm acting to us. we got you. so china and point 3, this free off, serious on the new side, on time of change you for us here. you so on some of those it with the challenges we need to, to, to try it out. we need to engage with the china. it doesn't need the to agree on

the all the stuff to 3. so try not let's to, to kind of change, for instance, is really important to try to convince china to be much more active, to put in place a carbon pricing retention for instance. let's fix toby's name to the stick to the 19 and, and sizes. so if we want to address those changes the future, we need to talk with them and we saw the increase in to us. look, i'd like to come back to the issue of human rights which, which you stressed. you didn't please everyone on your trip. 10 major human rights groups are in the sense that you've reopened what they called the meaningless human rights dialogues, with badging, which was suspended in 2019 after they use sanction. chinese officials involved in human rights violations fed up points by those groups, isn't it? because of the adults so far have changed nothing and will continue to change. and i think you agree to talk about your agrees and talk about human rights. and they agreed to ignore how we'd like the discussions. oh that i would like to us to refresh view from that to see what's the inverse sort of thing for you. what's the

center community from research on those tokens. we want to achieve something as soon as it turns into to what the chief notions and this like is very important to reduce. and for instance, i'm very pro, i am engaged with. i was, i'm very proud. i'm very proud. it's after the meeting we had to explanation in december, we've been able to, we launch this human wife delettre. we've been because institute and for us to advocate to mention concrete changes and to try to, to different, really different assume that the human rights of print reports and the democratic terms without the results and you have without any results. i, i fully disagree your friends. if i follow your approach, it's means that uh, we would be more efficient by those 2 into a here. in brussel we saw the condition. of course, fix type of quote is difficult. i am not seeing that we are delivering to any one meet or anyone from but i'm trying to think that if we do not induce activity, southern to triggers, nothing is when we induce we open the door in order to do

a very simple. there is just very brief for your human rights groups of 10 major human rights groups. don't agree with you, a total of a say having a human rights dialogue with china cannot seriously being and in itself they want to target. tyler wants to identify adult along to real human rights progress, including in shang, into banks. what do i do instead of this is a very central, if i don't have it isn't, is exactly what you're doing. right. decision is china. we are, this isn't we saw the intent of discretion? yeah. but can you point to a single aspect of human rights in china that these talks have altered for the better in the past? can you since trophies 19 those thoughts with which on hold and we succeeded. we launch uh those before before. yeah, but since 319 it was to, uh, put an old in, in, in, in tulsa. and we are doing. we are doing a political space opposed to, to that look to industries though. so was this, so it was a century on all the top is the 3rd is to be discussed and evaluated. by the way,

before my trip to china, i, i had to have chosen to meet me. we present that piece of those human rights to organizations and, and it was really important to us to attend for me, to listen to them and to use also the arguments that the, that the shed earlier to see a china played host to francis present macro, who took a bunch of business with businessman with him to sign tre deals, and then decided to open up the risk between europe and the us over taiwan. the great to risk your faces, he said, isn't gets caught up in crises that are not ours, which prevents it from building it strategic or to me. isn't it the heights of your responsibility to highlight divisions with your most important ally, america at a time when both russia and china have joined forces to road human rights and the rule of law to talk as the result of every clear erecting position a life is connected, stacy is very strong to interfere with your brother for the business. extremely 2

point one important to untie one. there's also a very clear you work in position we do with except do tend to get to, to change in any like to either way the state to screw of, uh, in that one story to point point one. uh, and we withdrew nice. the one china policy, this is the traditional erection pretty soon, and nothing too is change, which we do when your foreign policy chief shows a bureau public se slapped down. whats your micro by saying you members should actually deploy more ships to patrol the taiwan strait in order to deter agents aggression? how you going to sort out these differences of opinion on china within the, you know, to do different things. first of this, a proposal made by usually people have to be the responsibility of the member states to distrust the focus. and he's the, the, the responsibility to you for just a bit behind to put some proposals on the table to point to one or not for me to get some important point to this of or else i needed to know what else and the

instructions are. we'd like to continue depression contrition would show the choices. so we were interested in that the for that, the region. but let me tell you that i'm aware that in depression and media, especially the reason to do so, always that there was an impression of a huge divisions. a on the european side, on china under the impression she had a real no descriptive reality. i will tell you because i think i know to be taught the sensitivity is in the, in the chelsea that i think i can take it in. that in fact we got much more conversions. and then we transfer them to, to me for the winter, which is the democratic debate we have in europe, in the, in the, in 2 weeks to come. we will have to do you have children to, to clarify, into the coming position of china. we're going to have in georgia is my responsibility to put a tokens agenda into your pin dose hill. this is a bit on, on china we, we are preparing the booth at the new serial level with a different estate older with our office. and we so thousands we so i like,

let me ask you just one specific question because we're running out of time. what's the use plan? if china invites tie one, what's the time you, you, the planning is to do a, we seem to convince the china nuts to matrix and this to you, but if you find it, what does that make sense? okay. what does this, does this plan? does this been in plenty of? i was talking us, we'll talk on the erection of a sort of everything responsibility to do in any case. what do you remember the, the weights and just for the start of the war against russia we worked in chose to a technician that was all of his partners to do to assist what to what to be a reactions. and we were, we really do the same and we are doing the same so thought and it didn't prevent the nation. yeah, yeah. because in fact, you're absolutely right. so there was someone in the kremlin which who, who took the decision to stop a crazy war. the criminal school and realizing everything to, to, to,

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