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the, the i'm tired of the 34 years. i was a metal i didn't know now i know the never ending story of asbestos starts june 21st on d. w of brazil, russia, india, china and south africa. and that they were 1st referred to as the bricks countries 20 years ago at the time they all shared prospects and strong economic growth. but today, the mortar between these brakes is less about g d, p, and more about geo politics. russia's war in ukraine,
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it has revealed fishers in the facade of global order. and we're seeing it this week as europe the us, and need a valid to do more to arm and assist ukraine. money, weapons, even fighter jets, all made possible by the west. not by any bricks. i'm brit golf in berlin. this is the day the we have shown was 10 and unity at the time was this the content on this, on the, for that every doubt to show here are you, are you that the range that roger will definitely try. so combine as president of most of them. i know that easy to is not for you please, resistance and courage. my own country would be so that's in every european country that border structure and that does not one process do you already. that part
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should be a full member of the u. s. need also coming up, the age of artificial intelligence has arrived, the creators of a i say the technology promises to transform the way we work and live humanities future could be brighter, or it could be dark, very dark. if this technology goes wrong, it can go quite wrong, and we want to be vocal about that. we want to work with the government to prevent that from happening to our viewers watching on tv ups in the united states and to all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day with artificial intelligence. it has the potential to wipe out to humanity. now that is the stark message from hundreds of a i, scientists, researchers, and tech industry leaders. they find a statement calling for urgent action to rein in the technology you see right here,
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it's not all long at all, only 22 words and it reads, mitigating the risk of extinction from a i should be a global priority alongside other societal scale risk such as pandemic and nuclear war, this is remarkable because of the creators of a i, those pushing its development further. they are going public and asking the powers that be to regulate them, but which powers should that be? the european union and the united states are expected to draft a voluntary code of conduct on artificial intelligence in the next coming weeks. it's not binding. voluntary will that work? we have this report invested, or catherine type coordination and corporation i united the 2nd service states to recurring themes as the top us and you offer shows discussed the digital transition at time you think of to trade and technology console in sweden. top of the agenda
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was regulating dr. personal intelligence technologies. so within the next weeks we will advance a draft of an, a i code of conduct, of course also taking the industry the inputs, taking input from independence and then of course, invites colleagues to sign up for the draft. and in order to have very, very soon a final proposal for a code of conduct for the industry as committed to momentarily in the us. and you are hoping gutters with joining their efforts to rein in a i we had a very intensive and i think um, productive discussion on artificial intelligence today, including generative a i think we share a conviction that the t t c has an important role to play in helping establish voluntary codes of conduct that would be open to all like minded countries. earlier
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this month to do 7 lead is also called for a set of standards to keep a i trustworthy addressing issues such as governance, transparency, and the threat of this information. now brussels in washington are hoping their plans will be the 1st major step towards the larger comprehensive legal framework. well, my 1st guess tonight is roman young palsky associated professor of computer science at the university of louisville. he is one of the signatories of the statement on a i risk. mr. nipples gets good to have you with this, let me ask you, then, i mean, what compelled you to sign this thing. why didn't you think artificial intelligence could pull pose and existential risks to all of us as well? i've been worried about it for about a decade. that's really nice to see so many big names agree and finally signed on onto the same trend. we have to figure out how to control this technology is
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becoming more capable at hyper exponential rate. it will be a smarter, smarter than us, maybe in the next iteration, maybe in a few years. and we have not done much to prepare for it. it's standard approach is for this knowledge it will develop and then later government tries to figure out how to govern it, kept the currency. so great example would have been going for the gate and only now we're starting to see some legislation to deal with that. we cannot afford the same mistakes with a i, mr. college of will be transformative in terms of economy in terms of culture and possibly in terms of safety and security. i mean, i agree with you that the changes that are, that are coming that are happening now that are happening quickly. but i think for most people the, we're talking about a i, the really, the only contact that they can, that's really tangible for them would be maybe, you know, with a chat box, for example chat g p,
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t. so how do we get from that to a, something a i that would be able to annihilate humanity? i mean, is there any time horizon there that you could imagine? well, we don't know what's going to happen specifically or how, but we. busy already know that those check box, those large language models capable of programming computers. the passing law exams, the best and medical exams. so in many ways we already smarter than an average person. the. 6 and that's only happened in what the last 3 years. so if we extrapolate that, i'm just imagining we've seen this incredible development in a very short period of time. of where do you think we're going to be by the end of this decade. i mean, that's a, that's a doable amount of time to, if you want to predict, isn't it, or is it, or all, you know, bets off and we're talking about
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a couple years ago and used to do the people's side. it will take 20 years, maybe a 100 years now that there is serious people, experts in the field with think it might happen in a year or 2. we shape it's not maturity, but it's a possibility. the next iteration, gpc 5, maybe think of a point where it exceeds human to keep abilities. and as of right now, we don't have any safety protocol, some place, we don't know how to control search systems. in fact, we know that there are certain limitations in our ability to explain how large neural networks work, pretty big behaviors. such systems all properly allocate resources to deal with people. and there are risks posed by a i right now that, that we can talk about and meet in the current state of development. we're talking about perpetuating bias. he's promoting this information, reading elections, or just some of these possible risk. should we be focusing more on dealing with
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those issues now than worrying about the existential threat to the future as well? there's plenty of people who avoid it about the ethics of the bias. it has been a fruitful area of research for many years. it makes sense to allocate a portion of our research project, which is huge for a i would be able to use the research to making sure it doesn't kill it. the one that seems to be somewhat important, of course, than they are, is bias. when somebody gets offended it's. busy so an important issue button in comparison to everyone being killed, it seems to be less important. i'm sure you've been following what's been going on in the news, the, the ceo from open a i speaking a couple of weeks ago before congress. he's also been here in europe talking with leaders and basically telling the powers that be please regulate the industry that i'm pushing. so what needs to be done there, and if we want to regulate
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a i do we know what that looks like? well, it's interesting, nothing stops them from self regulating to begin with. they don't have to do the next. the training are on right away and they can wait. they can encourage others to wait. i think part of this uh, a request for regulation from outside, maybe a business move for kinda limiting competition in some ways. it's more about self interest for this company. suppose, well, what about what about their house? perhaps? maybe it's a call for help, but perhaps they're trying to tell those empower maybe save us or save us. yeah. save us from ourselves because as you say, they're not putting the brakes at all on their development. i hope it is. so the problem is that the government solution governance is not a solution for a technical problem. a, i may be actually somewhat easy to plead once we figure out what needs to be done.
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it seems to be that 56 months after the big project succeeds, the hundreds of small projects which accomplish pretty much the same thing with a lot less resources on the small budget. so soon, maybe hundreds, if not thousands of different startups and individuals would be able to train similar models in terms of capabilities and simply making those things illegal. but creating paper work for accomplishing it does not solve the technical issues of this the college. and you are aware as many are that when it comes to regulating social media, national governments have failed miserably if there's a lot of cynicism in the public. now when we talk about regulating something that's even bigger than the social media, that being a i, where does that regulation? where does that infrastructure have to come from? do you think this is something that the, the national government should do? or is this a something that needs a global solution at the super,
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a national level to you when, for example? well, ideally it would be an international effort because if i say legal in canada but legal everywhere else, it doesn't really help. so you want it to be a global solution since a, a is by definition, an international research project on the global commercial effort roman you have whole scheme. we appreciate you taking the time in talking to sharing your insights on this. it's, yeah, it's exciting. it's also very sobering as well. thank you. thank you. the law makers in zimbabwe have approved a controversial bill that outlaws criticism of the country's government. now the so called patriotic bill, which still has to be signed into law by president emerson. i mean, god was, has spark fears of a potential crack down on descent. it was passed just hours after the government announced that parliamentary and presidential elections will be held on august 23rd
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of this year. and then god roy is seeking a 2nd term in office hire between now journalists have criticize the law as an unconstitutional attempt to muscle free speech and criminalize criticism of the president and his party. and they want to be seemed to be hard lateness. so they won this little side and there a few in the huts of the little products, the hearts of those issues. eh, by using this bit low eh, eh, which has got me on the eve of an election. much of the outcry stems from one clause that criminalizes acts that quote, damage the sovereignty and national interest of zimbabwe, in extreme cases, violators and face up to 20 years behind bars. now the ruling xander party says
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that this is meant to encourage the people of zimbabwe to love their country, but civil society leaders, they are sounding the alarm here. the prominent journalist and active as hopewell should know, wrote on twitter a very sad day for zimbabwe. today is that countries parliament has passed the patriot act built into law. it seeks to destroy freedom of association and assembly free speech is now dead and n, as in bob, were you holding a meeting with a foreign government official will be jail. the very start term is there for more on this law. i want to bring it down, mr. 10 die bit to the constitutional lawyer and a former finance minister in the government of national unity and her already. it's good to have you on the program, mr. v. to if f seems likely president human god was signs this bill into law. what will that mean for freedom of speech and democracy in zimbabwe?
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it will definitely have a may just ceiling. you fix the organs and vibrate and citizens on the they, i've seen the opposition at one in g. o. as there it to prescribe the right to sort of association sort of speech. does it mean by what does it say that or do we use that to don't interact with the phone and government during the big mall test. and we did for the, you know, you know, government and to, if you look closely and the lot sick to having a conviction will be set of difficult. but the groups that we can custom custody soon, which with less up to you is that the fixed you for that is i'm talking to you right now for the job. scott has been you please on since june 14th. let's see what was something that many people will know. you will not get convicted or so this is, it came down on the opposite should. is it claim don't one alternative opinion. and
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remember to that, this is coming in because the state of the recently it, you know, passed the payment for the organizations x, which stops in the he was preview was from this evening put in funding and so forth . there's always basically the muscular or democratic space. let me, let me ask you since since it says that you're not supposed to bad mouth the, the government um, with a foreign entity. but let's, let's consider you and me, i work for an international broadcaster. you're in said bob, boy and you and i are talking and you criticize the government under this patriotic war. the patriot law. could you be accused of violating that lock? is you be put in prison for talking with me? it is easily diffuse say, you see if, if this is, you can see that if you're just taking this good to the proxy at all for the given
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government, definitely as it fits into the, into the, into the bill. so when, so they say government or is it or proxy it off of the government that can mean entity that can mean energy. and so the definition means is it is white. uh, in the, remember the, the offense, easy. everything that puts you to just have a good 6 this opening doors in babylon. yeah, that means that the i speak honestly about let's say the question to must have good, i've seen with this candidly. well, basically that i fixed this over and i didn't fix it on my, i mean, they don't, they had to, to, to speak on that isn't, but i would say right to could say that, which is all, but least like you said, you can't do that. it shut your your mouth and then don't say anything about this and considering that you've got the government that has just announced elections will take place on august 23rd. do you expect these elections?
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do you expect them to be free and fair? quite clearly. no, i mean i've just come from but i'm in the right now we, we, we stopped from that discussing amendments that they looked through because the, our most easy, you come to pass the amendments. and once it was, they don't want to put it to be simply listed as demit. and as you know, this is looking to use that to do 1st of all, it may 2023. so then all the homes before the exclusive exercise has been symbolic . we in the open assume they've been denied that rights to at least 2 people to june. why that more than 63 or 4 meetings? if it binds, it will position elite as good jumps, cuz i've mentioned, improves on jekyll. be better for me. yeah, another opportunity that was due for 4 years in a few weeks. i cool point kind of people to go to piece of food. there was to say,
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i is i took it to you right now. i'm just me a charge off it coming on said c o 444. i looked to sell it to you and someone, and i've been good for over over, over 7 the days. so if it came them it's, it's, it's a 5 system. it is with it, but that's about so we don't expect the freed felix and it will i just wanted to ask you last time around in 2018 the incumbent. emerson, him in god. what one? just months after he had allison long time president robert mcgraw b, i remember it. well, it was live on television, it was a palace to these and a party. it has been in power nonstop since independence in 1980. is there any chance for free or the? is there any chance of the opposition winning this time? without a doubt, i mean it is free and felix and we just don't. as you know,
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the average citizen wants to do that, but it citizen is the stuff i use. i'm talking to you right now. you can select them as close to a 1000 percent in the past 2 weeks. i don't, our covering seems quite upset by over there for 100 the, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, dissent this shortage of goods in the, in the, in the markets. and some that exhibit you wrote it by extensive into it and then mismanagement, eh, eh, you know, you know, you know, you know, sort of a, to say the people are living in, make simple. if i to see if i be would listen, you is the one doing it 25 since that date. well, the whole mediums and buttons ultimately just for taking it easy. yeah. this is the perfect place to go. a, you know, invited me to conduct the for people what to for change if they were would for james. so we thought a doubt about us, you have the appropriate in that the election things about that i to 10 minutes by
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dislike to read is not the editor it. so how do you do me that i does elections? i would use the really my dizzy evictions. i would you create an environment that can get to the infinity terms of level in the place. yeah, and we will definitely be following the campaign and that'll election in august mr . 10 diabetes involved we and parliamentarian and constitutional lawyer. we appreciate your, your time tonight and your, your honestly thank you. i think the ukraine is waging 2 campaigns, one to push back the russians, the other to move ever closer to the west today. representatives from practically every europe and country, except belo. reese and russia came together in the small republic. i'm all dover to talk about doing more, more to arm and assist ukraine, and it's battle against russian forces and to send
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a strong signal to the kremlin that there will be no more expansion by force. the notion of russian expansion, a big worry and mold over many of the country, fear that they could also be a target, especially if russia wins in ukraine. your brains, presidents, the landscape, spoke to delegates today, and we'll go over. he is confident of victory, provided that his forces received the weapons that they need, including fighter jet sobinski renewed his call for ukraine to become a member of nato and the european news as well. there are no security guarantees. there are only war guarantees we haven't sure about the possibility of the security that lies between china bloss need to bloss ukraine. but we need peace. we need just peace. that is why every european country that borders russia and that does not the ones russia to jerry, that bart should be a full member of the you and need to with the more in ukraine has
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a broad countries on both sides of the atlantic to gather that is not the case though elsewhere. consider the brakes group of nations that are gathering this week in cape town. south africa. brick stands, of course for brazil, russia, india, china, and south africa. no breaks member has joined europe in the us and slapping sanctions against russia. could that perhaps explain why more and more countries say they now want to join bricks? expansion was expected to be high on the agenda thursday along with what to do about russia on thursday and south africa's for administer. welcome to russian counterpart survey lab problem. uncertainty remains over whether russian president vladimir putin will be welcome. when the break summit takes place in johannesburg in august, may remember, the international criminal court has issued an arrest warrant for the russian president. he's accused of war crimes in ukraine. where the residents of
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ki, they are dealing with the after effects of yet another russian aerosol. 3 people died at least 10 were wounded in the missile strikes that damage, department buildings, a medical clinic and a border water pipeline, recent weeks, etc. ma scale watch almost daily attacks on the gradient cap daylight revealed and now the day of devastation for key residents of the night as siren seemed families rushing for safety and a pre doing attack. but not everyone was able to make it to bomb shelters. as into sifted missiles dropped from the sky, defended, suffice. every one was running to the shelter when people were trying to get in, but no one opened it. a rocket or debris fell darting and people were killed was. this is what will be she was in the i lost my why he keeps me a seed investigations were underway into why
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a medical facility bomb shelter in the area was locks debris, rain down during the bombardment, injuring and killing residents. young girl and her mother are among the date a lot so they were run here to hide, but it was closed. unfortunately, we was tending outside. here's the medical cleaning. i mean, there's the team that got them, or she felt just between them many key residents, a tired and anxious after weeks of sleepless nights, listening to the sound of sirens and explosions. this was the 18th attack on the capital. since the stats of may, a waste and allies had provided you crane with advanced air defense systems and recent months, improving its ability to feed off bombardments by the kremlin t
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c. that shot down old teen missiles launched by russia on tuesday. moscow has denied targeting civilians, but russia has repeatedly hit residential areas with the tex, intensifying and recent weeks. so as of what the day is almost done, the conversation that continues online you'll find is on twitter. you directly w news. you can follow me on twitter at risk golf to beep and remember, whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day. we'll see you then the
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very fields flooded their homes, buried in like people in northern italy are struggling with the aftermath of recent despair is now mixed with anger at the authorities for green lighting,
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irresponsible construction projects, and neglecting environmental policies. why is more, more land being paved over focus on europe in 30 minutes on the w to the point? strong, clear positions, international perspectives, confusion over the board and ukraine. what is the current strategy? what happened to the counter offensive visit underway? all the reasons on the tax on russian law already part of it. these are the questions we off today. the d w. how many portion of lots of turn out in the world right now the climate change. the story. this is much less the way from just one week.
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