this is dw news from the then you can get lots more news on that website to be found at the www dot com. the . ready names, temple hall feels a full my apple turned pock in the heart of the city. a place to let one spirit soul free. at least it is from marie and veronica. but how to bring that feeling into the catholic faith, women, priests, or blessings for queer couples. could these reforms become a reality in the 21st century. ready ready ready ready the 2 campaigners on active

catholics, both are committed to reforming. vatcher. marie, masha grew up in a liberal catholic. um, she's been involved with the local church for as long as she can remember. today she's employed by the german catholic women's association. fighting for women's rights and the charge is on line swap. the veronica davis was not a straightforward, veronica partially grew up in a youth welfare, the latest finding charge through a student community. often graduating, veronica entered a religious order for a year. now the activist is completing a ph, d, and theology that is involved in the out in charge initiative for quinn, catholics to mostly for you to see it fast as the women as us. i have the feeling that something's missing as being a part of humanity as ministry of topics are missing. but many perspectives on life

are missing. if you see the church as a body of a mystical by to live in a part of that body, this isn't a missing on the field. i'm sometimes the sly of us. so by the spectrum, we don't want to take anything away from anyone. i think one instead be adding something. if we women can also become priests bishop system and, and of course eventually f o and i still haven't lost hope. i know it's hot, but even still the mid december 2022 at the st. can easiest judge in ballon, marie anti fellow campaign is us be heading something of a catholic revolution here. father mindset her so makes is judge available to the group for worship. he agrees that women have to few rights in a charge, so he's happy to provide his support. it goes out, tell from do a from a fact that women don't allowed to perform. baptism says, or lead a congregation to the fact that they have no right to vote in church bodies and can

only hold advisory roles as i find it unfair or does. that's why i tried to use the modest means at my disposal to give these women a place and my trying to she, i don't the home get or marie and veronica are both members of the catholic activist group. maria, to point of it, demands full equality for women in the catholic church. the bone and campaign is received support from the protestant community that evening. micro shift that is a protestant pasta for many centuries, such a pots of protestant women was no possible means as we speak i, it is important to me to stand by the side and support them in taking stat and fight during the fight time i'm able to i can stop, i want to support my catholic brothers and sisters up in the catholic church. women are generally confined to the pews by team today service. they're going to stand in

front and preach as women in protestant churches are already permitted to do. the name of the protest group, maria, to point to reflect its focus on mary, the mother of gaunt and today service. does 2 do not be afraid, mary. you have found favor with god and behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son. see she has regarded the loving this of a handmaiden and behold from henceforth full generations. so call me blast. we mean preaching is unacceptable to many conservative catholics taught the members of maria to point to do it any way to him. so it was a great, really nice experience to combine the congregation in the atmosphere with the music

. the fact that i was allowed to be here in this church today was something very special for me. because for the 1st time i stood in front and was allowed to read from the gospel of luke and the catholic church, it's not customary for women to read from the gospel and i'll send you an e mail. v. as in mike, a shifts a, the protestant pasta is headed to judge cheese opponents catholic sisters because in the past, we mean when not allowed to become pastors. in the protestant judge i, the women have only had equal rights in german is protestant church since 1998 for microsoft that it was a divine calling. yeah. and these are kids to dislike of mine, but i can now be a pasta in this church in this congregation of these are on, i hope that this place will become a diverse and lively place. are full of people who are welcome to come as they are

and can celebrate live and worship, and leaving. that's my dream. open kind of mind home. monica is also an influenza. about 25000 people follow on instagram. she's been often v. i'm on my way to the put cost studio to record a new episode of my taught costs tests, and i'm a little late and, and let's see if the others are they get an update on that as well. take you along with me is me much moment. this is a new generation of religious women, molden confidence and reaching across religious lines. in hub pod cost 331. the christian pasta talks to a muslim woman and a jewish woman about feminism and matters of faith. the poet cost is financed by

the house of one an into religious project in berlin. house this welcome to a new episode is 331 i 3 women, 3 religions, one topic. the interest of just pub costs from the house of wanda. this is rebecca speaking and i'm back with my wonderful co host cooper and mike. hello, nice to be back, design is for me. i'm excited to today we have another serious topic. we're talking about the revolution in the wrong, so let me on. each of them is fighting for women's rights. and one of the 3 major world religions succeed in address stereotypes and prejudices law. for example, that anyone who thinks that coupla is headscarf is that on. so with a feminist podcast, the host set the record straight, the people who bought it just quickly. the pointed question to you, would you say that the tool compulsion in slum, for instance, the compulsory heads, coffee and cups of something, somebody that you know is on,

has no composing at all because there is a very clear principle. okay. no composing in religion this into effect. as mentioned, there are people though, who instrumental as religion and want to carry out their own agenda through it to you and in the interest provision line and also abuse it, you know, kind of the women advocate for diversity and tolerance in and between the major world religions this women lead religious movement is the one about empowerment, respect and solidarity. so it goes without saying that marie, a catholic, took part in the demonstration, supporting women in iran. the young activists think about reforms and women's rights to reach far beyond that and communities. god of this to own and we women of different religions and stand together in this already exists in full wild religions. but this support must grow doing district especially like between different religions issues. so she and the money to we christians were stand up for

muslims as a jewish people, wells white and verified dog. and just i wish there was even better corporation because i'm united women of all religions all and i love it. and that's my dream. and all the women and we had people over the dense united to another go and find the story. we saw the veronica supports germany's green party, the activist campaigns, even when it's cold and raining good evening. can i give you some election info? hello info about the election to see. veronica is known binary and identifies is positive into the drum. an acronym stands for women into sex, non binary, friends, gender, and age and individuals. veronica wants to deepen understanding how tony,

in the truck drive, bought in society as a whole space and stuff. i think it's important that we as people are shaping society, perhaps, especially as people who bring a certain amount of experience has been to individual. i think a party like the greens offers a very good way to help define and shape society size. so how do top religious leaders in rome? see these issues the vatican is the administrative send, the catholic church and home to the pope, the judge, his spiritual lead to german calls for reform done seem to be taken very seriously . and however po process is committed to strengthening into religious dialogue. and the number of women in leadership positions that the vatican has grown significantly during his pontifical, on the other hand, is previously made clear that the ordination of women is not a question. open to discussion the back in cold berlin.

the young catholic marie is not willing to accept this. she argues that jesus had women disciples. she believes the judges tradition of only ordaining men had to do with the times. not the will of god. the world is changing and she wants people in her charge to re think they have used to exercise best spiritual freedom, quite high, productive flemish. um saves, push to move on to buy me freedom means self determination and openness. i rarely experience back to my church. i think this is my ideal being free and the church to do what i want to think about this. and of course the following good rules and in a meaningful way. yeah. it's in effort. the old as a catholic church was marie spiritual home throughout childhood. it seems sometimes that feeling of home is at risk of slipping away the german catholic women's association when the re works as being campaigning for

women's rights. but over a century the association has around a 180000 members in germany. so marie, is certainly not alone in her desire for change as pontiff and maria, to point out campaign protest is hung that in mines to the dos of valid charges in a gesture reminiscent to the mountain loose the. but i'm like the found to protestantism these reform is one to remain members of the catholic church. they want to change the institution from within marie and as the converting to protestantism isn't an option, marie considers ida is has been dos, go back to the catholic church as my husband and i grew up in it and feel at home that i understand the language im services and the litigious well that's why what i don't want to do is make room for the people who wouldn't leave under any circumstances like a couple of these at the right wing catholics. most of the men in the caps off stay

as long as i can make a difference. i am so long you're supposed to let me, and i'll try to make sure that we really make progress. ms. answer. explain this to you because i won't give up my case so quickly because that would be nice leaving without to find that i went to the slide off i left in the small a few weeks later. there's a show down in frank font. it's the last day of a meeting of st. adults off the reform project of the german catholic church. late people and bishops have been discussing reforms. the rights of women and queer people ought to have the most controversial issues. the votes are still pending. one of the bishops advocating reform is hi nicole. the archbishop that fell in marie and veronica hoping that his vote is i'm just like it's exhausting goal oriented. there's pressure tonight as many people as possible, like it's a necessary process. is that note i'm as convinced of that now as i was in the

beginning, i was able to, we have to go through this the most, but we must pursue a path, but it's open ended and evicted by perhaps we wanted to achieve too much in a short time, i'd give all that content over rhina, maria and funky opposes the reforms into a small group of patients almost ended the whole process of the last meeting in september of 2022. because if the, if the bishop's vote against the motion, it's defeated to now it's a protest group is gathered in front of the conference. whole they call themselves the catholic youth movement for them to send it the policies, the wrong power. they want things to stay. the way they are for them quinn is, is a seen women, priests are against the will of god it's been yeah. um it's towards us and used to be them 5 young ones. i'm here with the catholic use moments and advice because we are very concerned about the direction in which the senate will path in the middle

of our positions are being adopted here that clearly contradict catholic due to the question of this threat. and so split the church, this thoughts, i love to make your thoughts, fund them, shift my him. the conservatives believe that the risk of causing a break away movement and splitting the charge must be of only did at all costs. despite the protests, a clear majority of german, they representatives and bishops voted in favor of the reforms. the fast total of the day is the text to allow the blessing of same sex unions in german catholic judges. it's a practice the vatican has forbidden then the vote on the role of women in the catholic judge philip outside has been vocal in supporting the idea of women being ordained before the final vote. she was optimistic

since when antics missed, even if the text is known as adopted, it's out in the world and everybody can read it. we won't give up on this issue. it's so important. the question of women is simply the most important issue for the future. i'd like to use these things to get to kind of just to avoid a 3rd of the bishops blocking the motion. the reform proposals are continually wanted down. the women who feel called to the priesthood are discouraged. you know, the wound of it as tight and efficient and funding. so what happened? it was like, it's just so my inner wound will only here when we have full access to all ministries and offices in the church. i like living my vocation as a non for good, but i can't live part of my calling before god. this is not a felt calling as an experienced calling, and i'd like it to be tested. not just passed over because i'm a woman. mission you want to back. i'm going to try to call thing

in the end, it becomes about women being old, a deacons to assist priests, and that due to is still it's only a recommendation. ultimately, the pope designs this compromise motion is extended for some, it is thought too little, but others believe it has opened the door to the priesthood for women. up to the vote. philipo hodge and fellow campaign is celebrated. he believes but a decisive step towards the ordination of women as being achieved screen . yes. even on the face time. 67 now. so if i live another 20 is i hope the total experience, the 1st student ations is not. do you guys fine, any percentage will pump resolutions on the declaration of intent? in the end, each bishop is free to decide whether he wants to act on them or not. archbishop

call from bowen says he's taking a lot out at the meeting. the villain village company got teeth on the wood inside . there's the will to break new ground, right in terms of communication with deliberation, through and decision making. and there's the courage to broach issues where we don't degree things. my great concern is how we can stay together in the one church, even if we have very different ideas about the church. of them have ideas about what comes next and how we move forward over how you provide. so again, shortly afterwards, the vatican issues a clear the to the resolutions of the german reform project on not recognized by the pope. about 2 years ago pub fronts is launched a world wide pro sense of listening and dialogue about the concerns of jem and catholics receive little attention. ringback dressing of same sex unions and relevant ordination of women. not on the table. a pessimists be

a schism in the german catholic church. ultimately want to keep the discussions going. the definitely the best as we get to this website that we thought it would happen now that the pope would do it. he's great interest 4 months then came to statement, we were a little disappointed. those are arguments from the seventy's ago. however, the archdiocese of berlin is still sent on their roof phone calls. the most visible sign of this is the catholic cathedral. it stands in the middle of the city and is being completely rebuilt. the battle and dying serious who's trying something new here. the strict hierarchy of clangy at the front, and believe us at the back is being completely reimagined. the entire cha choose being gutted and rebuilt

and this is how it should look when it's finished. the ulta in the middle freely accessible, the believe us on the same level with the knowledge bishop meets with the to maria to point out activists in his office. he wants to answer the questions about the changes that have to come in by the end to take a seat. entrepreneurship hi nicole's faces a dilemma. the pope $1012.00, the german reforms. and there are people in his diocese who don't either, but also to i'm and catholics on ega for change. now, german historian josefina phone via has also joined the discussion at the archbishop to request. she wants the charge to keep its traditions. that's in the

quote, may i ask a provocative question, why do you want reforms and vanish so doesn't make any sense to take the enter reform is with you. hold on. i say no, it started line. yes it was a no am was. but if we don't see that the church needs to be renewed, then we're not feeling it's mission the most and it will become a museum. but as to the direction. but what is the progress versus a step backward? that's the key question that we have to discussed and reflect the split. can we take everyone with us? it's been my task in the past or, you know, i hope that we can take as many people as possible with us advice i know would be easier to say goodbye. let's split out in orbit. create a department store with everything under one roof on each person. with their own shop, i don't want that destination. the lines are already drawn at this meeting. you as a uniform via is opposed to women being or dang, deacons, all priced state. i know i want to be of service. i don't have to be ordained for that. i don't want a status endowed with power that's totally twisted for the it doesn't work as i'm,

this is a being of service, may be the right thing and work for you. but i know a lot of women who say it doesn't work for me, as i know that i'm cold. i have an in a certain d. suffice to turn up the end of the river side. if it doesn't, the bicycle is low, but i think it would be enriching, and it's quite possible just size. and i think it would be a good sign if there were also women in the ordained ministry serving at the altar by it installed the means women as deacons assistance to the priest. but archbishop cost requires permission from the vatican to all day women. however, he could allow the blessing of same sex unions and his dice is at his own risk. yes, i'd be interested to know what the time table is. one thing when you think of places will be set up and were queer couples who wants to be bless, can go and ask for a priest to bless them and please the common gun is most of it needs to be an issue in the parish. remember, i don't want to impose anything on anybody, but i'm determined to see it happen. my name is my current position is that it will

work and i'll do it. doesn't get rid of all to the blessing of queer couples has been discussed in the german catholic church, but he is bought that it should happen now is still too hasty. in josefina phone via as view loving, this is a good one yet to attend. we want to set target and so as i see that is throwing a spinner in the works and you are finding them good people for some the changes go too far and too fast for all those. the changes on the zone over to you just for design decision innocence. so, so i'd say that i'm speaking for at least 50 percent of german society. and the billing is here in ox diocese to see themselves as catholics. when i say that if nothing happens, now the doors not only calling us, but the departure could happen, it's inside of there. it's a the, we shouldn't let that put us on depression. and because the history of the churches 2000 years old or the, we have to look at how cool a route accountable from the votes or the archbishop is caught somewhere in the

middle. but other than all of this call, i really deeply trust that god is guiding us. and the god spirit is here, don't say so, but i'm quite sure that he will lead us to more than that gives me courage and strength and difficult situation just keeps you not only to inter those situations, but to see them as an opportunity funds that's something veronica and marie, leave the meeting with mixed feelings. the reality of their lives no longer fits the cause prescribed by the vatican, but who needs to give way? the charge to its members or its members to judge? the 2 active is reflect on them, mind sense in town valid, proceed up to miss most likely one for have so little confrontational, combative we optimistic. i think we can already see that these resolutions came about, partly because there was pressure from believer, leaving the bishops probably wouldn't have moved so far in their own. that's why it's necessary to continue fighting and pursuing this just can focus albums,

not so high. as this been, i know the domestic, i think we've established a good new culture of debate deficient that late people and bishops are in dialogue, and the bishops realize they can no longer decide that you each of the chaps on the road. i think the resolutions that we've cost um mostly compromises, but we must not retreat behind them having to of course keep fighting and i think we can do a lot for our chat to it's my church to the cases, to the to some, veronica and marie on devices and dangerous to others, they all pray for a foam, is that it's not at all clear where these palm will lead them. next, the, the, the

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