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soul free. at least it is from marie and veronica. but how to bring that feeling into that catholic, faith, women, priests, or blessings for queer couples. could these reforms become a reality in the 21st century. the, the 2 campaigners are active catholics. folks are committed to reforming that charge. marie, masha grew up in a liberal counselor because she's been involved with the local church for as long as she can remember. today, she's employed by the german catholic women's association. fighting for women's rights, and the charge is on line swap. the veronica davis was not a straightforward or on the capacity grow up in a use wells fan,

the latest finding charge through a student community often graduating veronica entered a religious order for a year. now the activist is completing a ph. d, and theology. that is involved in the out in charge initiative for queer catholics to i'm asking for you to see it fast as the women, as i have the feeling that something's and the same as being a part of humanity is mistaken, of topics are missing. but many perspectives on life are missing. if you see the church has a body of a mystical body to live in a part of that body, this isn't a missing on the field. i'm sometimes the sly of us. so the most victim, we don't want to take anything away from anyone. i think one instead be adding something. if we women can also become priests bishop system and, and of course eventually f o and i still haven't lost hope. i know it's hot, but even still mid december 2022 at the st. can easiest judge in

berlin. marie anti fellow campaign is us, be heading something of a catholic revolution here. fall the mindset her so makes is judge available to the group for worship. he agrees that women have to few rights in a charge, so he's happy to provide his support with us. i'll just tell from do a from a fact that women don't allowed to perform. baptism says, or lead a congregation to the fact that they have no right to vote in church bodies and can only hold advisory roles as i find it unfair because i does. that's why i tried to use the modest means at my disposal to give these women a place in my try and excuse me, i don't the home get marie and veronica are both members of the catholic activist group, maria to point of it, demands full equality for women in the catholic church about and campaign is received support from the protestant community that evening. micro

shift that is a protestant pasta for many centuries, such a pots of protestant women was not possible. we have suspicious, it's important to me to stand by the side and support them in taking stat and fighting the fight. i'm able to, i can stop. i want to support my catholic brothers and sisters the winter. in the catholic church, women are generally confined to the pews, but in today service they going to stand in front and preach as women in protestant churches are already permitted to do. the name of the protest group, maria, to point to reflect its focus on mary. the mother of god and today service does 2 do not be afraid, mary. you have found favor with god. and behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son. see,

she has regarded below the midst of a handmaiden and behold from henceforth full generations. so call me blast we mean preaching is unacceptable to many conservative catholics, taught the members of maria to point to do it anyway, toys. so it was a great, really nice experience, the congregation and the atmosphere with the music. the fact that i was allowed to be here in this church today was something very special for me. because for the 1st time i stood in front and was allowed to read from the gospel of luke and the catholic church. it's not customary for women to read from the gospel and i'll send this a new v as in mike, a shifts a protestant pasta is headed to judge cheese opponents catholic sisters. because in the past, we mean we're not allowed to become pastors. in the protestant judge ita we mean

have only had equal rights in german is protestant church since 1998 for microsoft that it was a divine calling or yeah. and these are the kids to dislike of mine. the i can now be a pasta in this church in this congregation of these are all, and i hope that this place will become a diverse and lively place. full of people who are welcome to come as they are and can celebrate live and worship, and leaving. that's my dream. cousin of mine told monica is also an influenza. about 25000 people follow on instagram. she's been often the i'm on my way to the put cost studio to record a new episode of my post cost. and i'm a little late and let's see if the others are they get an update on that as well.

take you along with me is me much moment. this is a new generation of religious women, molden confidence and reaching across religious lines. and had found cost 331. the christian pasta talks to a muslim woman and a jewish woman about feminism and matters of faith. the poet cost is financed by the house of one, an inter religious project in belin health. this welcome to a new episode is 331 i 3 women, 3 religions, one topic, the interlude just plug costs from the house of wanda. this is rebecca speaking and i am back with my wonderful co host cooper. and micah, hello, nice to be back, design is for me. i'm excited to. today we have another serious topic. we're talking about the revolution any wrong. so let me on. each of them is fighting for women's rights. and one of the 3 major well religions they address

stereotypes and prejudices. ma, well for example, that anyone who thinks that coupon is headscarf is that on. so with a feminist podcast, the host set the record straight in mind and people who might just quickly the pointed the question for you. would you say that the tool compulsion in slum, for instance, the compulsory head, scotty and cups of tongue somebody here? and so there is no, is one has no composing at all because there is a very clear principle. okay, no composing in religion. the sympathetic, as mentioned, there are people though who instrumental as religion and want to carry out their own agenda through it to you and in the initial vision line and also abuse it. do you know, kind of the women advocate for diversity and tolerance in and between the major world religions this women lead religious movement is the one about empowerment, respect and solidarity. so it goes without saying that marie,

a catholic, took part in the demonstration, supporting women in iran, the young activists think about reforms and women's rights to reach bob beyond that own communities. god of this to own. and we women have different religions and stand together in this already exists in full, wild religion, but the support must grow. i don't district especially like tween different religions issues. so she and then we're gonna need to, we christians stand up for muslims as a jewish people worldwide, and verified the just me, i wish there was even better corporation because i'm united women of all religions all and i love it. and that's my dream. and the women and quit people over the dentist united to another. go and find the story. we saw the barometer supports germany's green party, the activist campaigns,

even when it's cold and raining good evening. can i give you some election info, hello info about the election to see? veronica is non binary and identifies is positive center. the german acronym stands for women, intersects non binary, transgender, and age and individuals. veronica ones to deepen understanding. tony and the church i bought in society as a whole spent space and stuff. i think it's important that we as people are shaping society, perhaps, especially as people who bring a certain amount of experience has been to individual. i think a party like the greens offers a very good way to help define and shape society size. so how do top religious leaders in rome? see these issues the vatican is the administrative sent to the catholic church and home to the pope. the judge, his spiritual leader, german calls for reform don't seem to be taken very seriously and however po

process is committed to strengthening into religious dialogue. and the number of women in leadership positions that the vatican has grown significantly during his pontifical. on the other hand is previously made clear that the ordination of women is not a question open to discussion, the back in cold berlin, the young catholic marie is not willing to accept this. she argues that jesus had women disciples. she believes the judges tradition of only ordaining men had to do with the times. not the will of god. the world is changing and she wants people in her church to re think they have used to exercise best spiritual freedom, quite high, productive, to finish, and saves, push to move on to buy me freedom means self determination of this. i rarely experience back to my church, i'm listening. this is my ideal being free and the church to do what i want to do

about this. and of course the following good rules and in a meaningful way. yeah. it's in effort. all the catholic church was marie spiritual home throughout childhood. it seems sometimes that feeling of home is at risk of slipping away the german catholic women's association when the rewards as being campaigning for women's rights. but over a century, the association has around a 180000 members in germany. so mary is certainly not alone in her desire for change. as pontiff of maria to point out campaign protest is hung that in mines to the dose of the churches in a gesture reminiscent of mountain loose the but i'm like the found to protestantism . these reform is one to remain members of the catholic church. they want to change the institution from within marie anti fellow. campaigners don't understand why

that charge refuses to step in to the 21st century. the confounding to protestantism isn't an option, marie considers ida. the has been dos, go back to the catholic church as my husband and i grew up in it and feel at home that i understand the language, im services and the litigious. well, that's why what i don't want to do is make room for the people who wouldn't leave under any circumstances. like a couple of these at the right wing catholics. most of the men in the us stay as long as i can make a difference. i am so long you're supposed to look and i'll try to make sure that we really make progress. ms. answer explain this with you because i won't give up my place so quickly because that would be nice leaving without to find that i went

to the slide off i left and this license a few weeks later, there's a show down in frank font. it's the last day of a meeting of send a double pulse, the reform project of the german catholic judge. late people and bishops have been discussing reforms, the rights of women and queer people on 2 of the most controversial issues. the votes are still pending. one of the bishop's advocating reform is hi, nicole. the archbishop at ballon marie and veronica hoping that his boat is. i'm just like it's exhausting goal oriented. there's pressure to unite as many people as possible simply because the necessary process is that note i missed convinced of that. now, as i was in the beginning, i was able to, we have to go through this the most, but we must pursue a path, but it's open ended. no big deal by perhaps we have wanted to achieve too much in a short time, i'd couple caught an old rhina, maria, and funky opposes. the reforms into a small group of bishops almost ended the whole process of the last meeting in

september of 2022. because if the, if the bishop's vote against the motion, it's defeated to now it's a protest group is gathered in front of the conference. whole they call themselves the catholic youth movement for them to send it the policies, the wrong path. they want things to stay. the way they are for them, quinn is, is a sin and women priests are against the will of god. it's been yet um, towards us news to 0. 5. yet when i'm here with the catholic youth movement from invest because we are very concerned about the direction in which the senate will path in the middle of our positions are being adopted here. that clearly contradict catholic church question into this threatens to split. the church starts out of to make your thoughts and phone numbers just my him. the conservatives believe that the risk of causing

a break away movement and splitting the charge must be avoided at all costs. despite the protests, a clear majority of german, they representatives and bishops vote in favor of the reforms. the 1st title of the day is the text to allow the blessing of same sex unions in german catholic judges . it's a practice the vatican has forbidden then the vote on the role of women in the catholic church. philip as that has been vocal in supporting the idea of women being ordained before the final vote. she was optimistic since when antics nations, even if the text is not adopted. it's the house in the world and everybody can read it. we won't give up on this issue. it's so important. the question of women is simply the most important issue for the future. i'd talk to you the steps to get to kind of just to avoid

a 3rd of the patients blocking the motion. the reform proposals are continually warranted down the women who feel called to the priesthood. discouraged, you know, the wound of it as tight and been difficult and fine. so what happened was like is so my inner wound will only here when we have full access to all ministries and offices in the church. i like living my vocation as a non for good, but i can't live part of my calling before god. this is not a felt calling as an experienced calling. and i'd like it to be tested. not just passed over because i'm a woman. mission you want to back, i'm going to try to copy of the in the end it becomes about women being old, a deacons to assist the priest, and that due to is still it's only a recommendation. ultimately, the pope designs this compromise motion is accepted for some it is bound to

little, but others believe it has opened the door to the priesthood for women. up to the vote, philip, god, and fellow campaign is celebrated. he believes, but a decisive step towards the ordination of women as being achieved. spinning us, even on the face, time. 67 now. so if i live another 20 years, i hope the total experience, the 1st student nations is not. do you guys find any facility will pump resolutions on the declaration of intent? in the end? each bishop is free to decide whether he wants to act on them or not. archbishop call from bowen says he's taken a lot out at the meeting. didn't villain village police comedy cut teeth. what on the inside there's the will to break new ground like in terms of communication or deliberation, and decision making. and there's the courage to broach issues where we don't agree

things. my great concern is how we can stay together in the one church, even if we have very different ideas about the church. of them have ideas about what comes next and how we move forward over how you provide the game. shortly afterwards, the vatican issues a clear the to the resolutions of the gym and reform project on not recognized by the pope. about 2 years ago, pope fronts is launched a world wide pro sense of listening and dialogue about the concerns of german catholics receive little attention. ringback passing of same sex unions irrelevant. the ordination of women, not on the table. pessimists be a schism in the german catholic church. ultimately want to keep the discussions going indefinitely. so that's as we get to as much side that we thought it would happen now that the pope would do and he's great interest 4 months,

then came to statement, we were a little disappointed. those are arguments from the seventy's ago. however, the archdiocese of berlin is still sent on their roof phone calls. the most visible sign of this is the catholic cathedral. it stands in the middle of the city and is being completely rebuilt. the battle and dying serious who's trying something new here. the strict hierarchy of clergy at the front end to believe us at the bank is being completely reimagined. the entire char choose being gutted and rebuilt and this is how it should look when it's finished. the ulta in the middle freely accessible, the believe us on the same level with the

archbishop meets with the to maria, 2 point oh activists in his office. he wants to answer the questions about the changes that have to come in by then. as they can see, occupation pioneer calls faces a dilemma. the pope 1012, the german reforms, and there are people in his diocese who don't either, but also to i'm and catholics on ega for change. now, german historian josefina phone via has also joined the discussion at the archbishop to request. she wants the charge to keep its traditions. that's in the quote, may i ask a provocative question, why do you want reforms and vanish? so does it make any sense to take the enter reform is with you? hold on, i say no, it started line. yes it was a no am was. but if we don't see that the church needs to be renewed, then we're not feeling it's mission symbols. it will become a museum,

but as to the direction, but what is the progress versus a step backwards looks that's the key question does that we have to discussed and reflect display? can we take everyone with us? it's been my task in the past or, you know, i hope that we can take as many people as possible with us advice, i know would be easier to say goodbye. let's split out and marble create a department store with everything under one roof on each person. with their own shop, i don't want that destination, but lines are already drawn at this meeting. you as a uniform via is opposed to women being or dang, deacon's, all priced, state. i know i want to be of service. i don't have to be ordained for that. i don't want a status endowed with power that's totally twisted hard for the that's my guess i'm just busy. the being of service may be the right thing and work for you. but i know there's lots of women who say it doesn't work for me. as i know that i'm cold. i have an in a certain piece of bias. this is for this one or that's just the end of the river side. it doesn't, the bicycle is low, but i think it would be enriching,

and it's quite possible just size. and i think it would be a good sign if there were also women in the ordained ministry serving at the altar by it installed the means women as deacons assistance to the priest. but archbishop cost requires permission from the vatican to all day women. however, he could allow the blessing of same sex unions and his dice is at his own risk. yes, i'd be interested to know what the time table is. one thing when you think of places will be set up and were queer couples who wants to be bless, can go and ask for a priest to bless them and paid the common couldn't it is most of it needs to be an issue in the parish models i don't want to impose anything on anybody, but i'm determined to see it happen. my name isn't my current position is that it will work and i'll do it. doesn't get rid of hell to the blessing of queer couples has been discussed in the german catholic church. but he is thought that it should happen now is still too hasty in josefina phone via as view loving us, it's been one yet to attend. we want to set target. and so as i see that is

throwing a spinner in the works in y'all's, finding them good people for some the changes go too far and too fast for all those the changes on the zone over to you. it's for design decision innocence. so 1st i'd say that i'm speaking for at least 50 percent of german society, and the billing is here in ox diocese to see themselves as catholics. and when i say that, if nothing happens, now the doors not only calling us, but a departure could happen. but since whether there it's a the, we shouldn't let that put us on depression. and because the history of the churches 2000 years old, we have to look at how cool i wrote accountable from the votes of the archbishop is caught somewhere in the middle of all of this call. i really deeply trust that god is guiding us. and the god spirit is here, don't say so the so i'm quite sure that he will lead us to more than that gives me courage and strength and difficult situation just keeps you not only to inter those situations,

but to see them as an opportunity. funds that something veronica and marie leave the meeting with mixed feelings. the reality of their lives no longer fits the cause prescribed by the vatican, but who needs to give way? the charge to its members or its members to judge the, to activate, reflect on that mindset, towel valid, proceed up to miss this. likely one for helps a little confrontational, combative we optimistic. i think we can already see that these resolutions came about, partly because there was pressure from believer. so having the bishops probably wouldn't have moved so far in their own. that's why it's necessary to continue fighting and pursuing this just kind of focus albums. not so how does this been, i know the domestic shouldn't. i think we've established a good new culture of debate deficient that late people and bishops are in dialogue, and the bishops realize they can no longer be assigned to each of the chats on the road. they come, i think the resolutions that we've cost on mostly compromises,

but we must not retreat behind them having us out. of course keep fighting and i think we can do a lot for our church. it's my church to the cases, to the, to some, veronica and marie are divisive and dangerous to others. they all pray for a foam, is that it's not at all clear where these palm will lead them. next the

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