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soul free. at least it is by marie and veronica. but how to bring that feeling into the catholic faith, women, priests, or blessings for queer couples? could these reforms become a reality in the 21st century. ready ready the 2 campaigners on active catholics are committed to reforming that church. marie, masha grew up in a liberal catholic. um, she's been involved with the local church for as long as she can remember. today she's employed by the drum and catholic women's association. fighting for women's rights and the church is on life's work. the veronica davis was not a straightforward, veronica partially grew up in

a youth welfare latest finding charge through a student community. often graduating, veronica entered a religious order for a year. now the activist is completing a ph, d, and theology that is involved in the out in charge initiative for quinn, catholics to must be for you to see it fast as of and then as i have the feeling that some things are the same as being a part of humanity is mistaken and of topics are missing, but many perspectives on life are missing. if you see the church has a body of a mystical body to live in a part of that body, isn't i missing on the field? i'm sometimes the sly of us, so by the name of spectrum, we don't want to take anything away from anyone. i think one instead be adding something. if we women can also become priests bishop system and, and of course, eventually f o i'm and i still haven't lost hope. i know it's hot, but even still the mid december 2022 at the st. can easiest judge in

ballon. marie anti fellow campaign is us be heading something of a catholic revolution here. father mindset her so makes is judge available to the group for worship. he agrees that women have too few rights in a charge, so he's happy to provide his support. it goes out tell from to a, from a fact that women don't allowed to perform baptism or lead a congregation to the fact that they have no right to vote in church bodies and can only hold advisory roles as i find it unfair or does. that's why i try to use the modest means at my disposal to give these women a place and my trying to see, i know the home, get marie and veronica are both members of the catholic activist group. maria to point of it, demands full equality for women. and the catholic church about and campaign is received support from the protestant community that evening. micro

shift that is a protestant pasta for many centuries, such a pot for protestant women was not possible for us as we speak of it's important to me to stand by the side and support them in taking stat and fighting the fight. i'm able to, i can stop, i want to support my catholic brothers and sisters in the catholic church. women are generally confined to the pews, but in today service they're going to stand in front and breach. as women in protestant churches are already permitted to do the name of the protest group, maria to point to reflect its focus on mary, the mother of gaunt and today service. does 2 do not be afraid, mary. you have found favor with god and behold, you will conceive and give birth to son.

see she has regarded below the midst of a handmaiden and behold from henceforth full generations, so call me blast. we mean preaching is unacceptable to many conservative catholics, taught the members of maria to point to do it anyway, toys. so it was a great, really nice experience, the congregation and the atmosphere with the music. the fact that i was allowed to be here in this church today was something very special for me. because for the 1st time i stood in front and was allowed to read from the gospel of luke and the catholic touch. it's not customary for women to read from the gospel and i'll send this a new v as in mike, a shifts a. the protestant pasta is headed to judge cheese opponents catholic sisters. because in the past, we mean we're not allowed to become pastors in the protestant judge either we mean

have only had equal rights in german is protestant church since 1998 for microsoft that it was a divine calling. yeah. and these are the kids to dislike of mind. i can now be a pasta in this church in this congregation of these are all, and i hope that this place will become a diverse and lively place. are full of people who are welcome to come as they are and can celebrate live and worship, and leaving. that's my dream. open kind of mind how monica is also an influenza. about 25000 people follow on instagram. she's been often the i'm on my way to the put cost studio to record a new episode of my post costs tests. and i'm a little late and, and let's see if the others are they get an update on that as well. take you along

with me is me much moment. this is a new generation of religious women, molden confidence and reaching across religious lines. in 100 pound cost 331. the christian pasta talks to a muslim woman and a jewish woman about feminism in matters of faith. the poet cost is financed by the house of one an inter religious project in belin helps this welcome to a new episode, is 331 i 3 women, 3 religions, one topic. the internet just plug costs from the house of wanda. this is rebecca speaking and i am back with my wonderful co host cooper and micah, hello, nice to be back design a for me. i'm excited to today we have another serious topic. we're talking about the revolution any wrong, so let me on. each of them is fighting for women's rights and one of the 3 major

well religions for this. see ip address, stereotypes and prejudices law. for example, that anyone who thinks that coupons headscarf is at odds with a feminist podcast. the host set the record straight people or q by just quickly the pointed question for you. would you say that the tool compulsion in slum, for instance, the compulsory head, scotty uncomfortable? something somebody should be there. it's not, you know, is on, has no composing at all. because there is a very clear principle, okay, no composing in religion. the sense that tech has mentioned, there are people though who instrumental as religion and want to carry out their own agenda through it, to you and in the, in the soviet, this in line. and also abuse it, you know, kind of the women advocate for diversity and tolerance in and between the major world religions this women lead religious movement is the one about empowerment, respect and solidarity. so it goes without saying that the re,

a catholic, took part in the demonstration, supporting women in iran, the young activists think about reforms and women's rights that reach far beyond that communities, god of this to own. and we women of different religions and stand together and this already exists in full wild religions. but the support must grow. i don't district, especially between different religions issues. so she and then what i need to we christians, stand up for muslims as a jewish people worldwide. and verified the just me, i wish there was even better corporation because i'm unite women of all religions all and i love it and that's my dream. and the women and quit people over the dense united to another. go and find the story. we saw the veronica supports germany's green party, the activist campaigns,

even when it's cold to and reigning the app. good evening and can i give you some election info, hello, info about the election to see? veronica is non binary and identifies as positive into the drum and acronym stands for women into sex, non binary, friends, gender, and age and individuals. veronica wants to deepen understanding all tony in the truck drive, bought in society as a whole in space and stuff. i think it's important that we as people are shaping society, perhaps, especially as people who bring a certain amount of experience has been to individual. i think a party like the greens offers a very good way to help define and shape society size. so how do top religious leaders in rome saves issues. the vatican is the administrative send to the catholic church and home to the pope. the judge, his spiritual lead to german calls for reform done seem to be taken very seriously

. and however, po process is committed to strengthening into religious dialogue and the number of women in leadership positions that the vatican has grown significantly during his pontifical. on the other hand, he's previously made clear that the ordination of women is not a question open to discussion. the back in cold berlin, the young catholic marie is not willing to accept this. she argues that jesus had women disciples. she believes the judges tradition of only ordaining men had to do with the times. not the will of god, the world is changing and she wants people in her charge to re think they have used to exercise best spiritual freedom. i hired so the to some is saves, push to move on to buy me freedom means self determination and openness. i rarely experience back to my church. i think this is my ideal being free and the church to

do what i want to know about this. and of course the following good rules and in a meaningful way. yeah. it's in effort. the old as a catholic church was marie spiritual home throughout childhood. it seems sometimes that feeling of home is at risk of slipping away the german catholic women's association when the re works as being campaigning for women's rights. but over a century, the association has around a 180000 members in germany, so mary is certainly not alone in her desire for change. as part of maria to point out campaign, protesters hung back to mines to the door and churches in a gesture reminiscent of mounting loose the. but i'm like the found a protestantism. these reform is one to remain members of the catholic church. they want to change the institution from within marie anti fellow. campaigners don't

understand why that charge refuses to step in to the 21st century. the confounding to protestantism isn't an option, marie considers ida. the has been dos, go back to the catholic church as my husband and i grew up in it and feel at home that i understand the language, im services and the litigious. well, that's why what i don't want to do is make room for the people who wouldn't leave under any circumstances. like a couple of these at the right wing catholics. most of the men in the us stay as long as i can make a difference. i am so long you're supposed to look and i'll try to make sure that we really make progress. ms. answer explain this with you because i won't give up my place so quickly because that would be nice leaving without to find that i went

to the slide off. i left in the smallest a few weeks later. there's a show down in frank font. it's the last day of a meeting of send a double pulse, the reform project of the german catholic judge. late people and bishops have been discussing reforms, the rights of women and queer people on 2 of the most controversial issues. the votes are still pending. one of the bishops advocating reform is hi, nicole. the archbishop that fell in marie and veronica hoping that his opponent is. i'm just, i think it's exhausting goal oriented. there's pressure to unite as many people as possible. like that's a necessary process. is that note i missed convinced of that. now as i was in the beginning, i was able to, we have to go through this the most, but we must pursue a path, but it's open ended and evicted by perhaps we have wanted to achieve too much in a short time. i couple caught an old rhina, maria, and funky opposes. the reforms into a small group of bishops almost ended the whole process of the last meeting in

september of 2022. because if the, if the bishop's vote against the motion, it's defeated 10 now to a protest group has gathered in front of the conference. whole they call themselves the catholic youth movement for them to send it the policies, the wrong path. they want things to stay. the way they are for them quinn is, is a sin and women priests are against the will of god. it's been yeah. um towards us and use the vehicle. 5 young ones. i'm here with the catholic youth movement and innovation because we are very concerned about the direction in which the senate will path is the middle of the positions are being adopted here that clearly contradict catholic due to the question of this threat. and so split the church starts as of to make a fight, some phone numbers just my him. the conservatives believe that the risk of causing

a breakaway movement and splitting the charge must be avoided at all costs the. despite the protests, a clear majority of germans, a representative, some bishops vote in favor of the reforms. the 1st title of the day is the text to allow the blessing of same sex unions in german catholic judges. it's a practice the vatican has forbidden. then the vote on the role of women in the catholic judge. phillip outside has been vocal in supporting the idea of women being ordained before the final vote. she was optimistic since when antics missed, even if the text is not adopted, it's out in the world and everybody can read it. we won't give up on this issue. it's so important, the question of women is simply the most important issue for the future. i'd like to be speech to get to kind of just to avoid

a 3rd of the patients blocking the motion. the reform proposals are continually warranted down the women who feel called to the priesthood are discouraged. you know, the wound of it as tight and efficient and fine. so what happened? it was like is. so my inner wound will only here when we have full access to all ministries and offices in the church. i like living my vocation as a non for gods, but i can't live part of my calling before god. this is not a felt calling as an experienced calling, and i'd like it to be tested. not just passed over because i'm a woman mission you want to back. i'm going to that 5 digit coughing of the in the end it becomes about women being old, a deacons to assist the priest. and that due to is still it's only a recommendation. ultimately, the pope designs this compromise motion is accepted for some it is bound to

little, but others believe it has opened the door to the priesthood for women. up to the vote, philip, god, and fellow campaign is celebrated. he believed to put a decisive step towards the ordination of women as being achieved, spinning as even on the face time. 67 now. so if i live another 20 years, i hope the total experience, the 1st student nations is not. do you guys find any facility will pump resolutions are only declarations of intent in the end, each bishop is free to decide whether he wants to act on them or not. archbishop call from bowen says he's taken a lot out at the meeting. didn't villain village police comedy cut teeth. what on the inside there's the will to break new ground like in terms of communication with deliberation and decision making. and there's the courage to broach issues where we

don't agree things. my great concern is how we can stay together in the one church, even if we have very different ideas about the church. of them have ideas about what comes next and how we move forward over how you provide the game. shortly afterwards, the vatican issues a clear the to the resolutions of the gym and reform project on not recognized by the pope. about 2 years ago, pope fronts is launched a world wide pro sense of listening and dialogue about the concerns of german catholics receive little attention. ringback pressing, same sex unions and relevant the ordination of women. not on the table. pessimists be a schism in the german catholic church. ultimately want to keep the discussions going. the definitely go. that's as we have to as much side that we thought it would happen now that the pope would do and he's great interest 4 months,

then came to statement, we were a little disappointed. those are arguments from the seventy's to go. however, the archdiocese of berlin is still sent on over a phone calls. the most visible sign of this is the catholic cathedral. it stands in the middle of the city and is being completely rebuilt. the battle and dying serious who's trying something new here. the strict hierarchy of clergy at the front end to believe us that the bank is being completely reimagined. the entire char choose being gutted, and rebuilt and this is how it should look when it's finished. the ulta in the middle freely accessible, the believe us on the same level with it. the

launch bishop meets with the to maria to point to activists in his office. he wants to answer the questions about the changes that are to come and bell in as they can see, occupation pioneer calls faces a dilemma. the pope $1012.00, the german reforms. and there are people in his diocese who don't either, but also to i'm and catholics on ega for change. now, german historian josefina phone via has also joined the discussion at the archbishop to request. she wants the charge to keep its traditions. that's in a quote, may i ask a provocative question, why do you want reforms and vanish so doesn't make any sense to take the enter reform is with you. hold on. i say no, i started line. guess it was a no am was. but if we don't see that the church needs to be renewed, then we're not feeling it's mission symbols. it will become

a museum. but as to the direction. but what is the progress versus a step backward? that's the key question does that we have to discussed and reflect display, can we take everyone with us? it's been my task in the past or, you know, i hope that we can take as many people as possible with us advice, i know would be easier to say. good bye. let's split out and marble create a department store with everything under one roof on each person with their own shop. i don't want that. those mission lines are already drawn at this meeting. you as a uniform via is opposed to women being or dang, deacons, all priced state. i know i want to be of service. i don't have to be ordained for that. i don't want a status endowed with power that's totally twisted hard for the it doesn't work as i'm the busy the being the service may be the right thing and work for you. but i know a lot of women who say it doesn't work for me as i know that i'm cool. i haven't in a certain piece of bias, the cisco this minute or so turn up the end of the give a side. if it doesn't, the bicycle is low, but i think it would be enriching,

and it's quite possible just size. and i think it would be a good sign if there were also women. and the ordained ministry serving at the altar by it installed the means women as deacons assistance to the priest. but archbishop cost requires permission from the vatican to all day women. however, he could allow the nice thing is the same sex unions and his dice is at his own risk. yes, i'd be interested to know what the time table is. one thing when you think of places will be set up and were queer couples who wants to be bless, can go and ask for a priest of less than a piece. the common gun is most of it needs to be an issue in the parish models. i don't want to impose anything on anybody, but i'm determined to see it happen. my name isn't my current position is that it will work and i'll do it. doesn't get rid of hell to the blessing of queer couples has been discussed in the german catholic church. but he is thought that it should happen now is still too hasty. in josefina phone via as view loving, this is the one yet to attend. we want to set target. and so as i see that is

throwing a spinner in the works and you are finding them good people for some the changes go too far and too fast for others. the changes on the zone over to you just for design decision innocence. so 1st i'd say that i'm speaking for at least 50 percent of german society. and the billing is here in ox diocese to see themselves as catholics. when i say that if nothing happens now, the doors not only calling us, but the departure could happen. but since the day i, it's a the, we shouldn't let that put us on depression because the history of the churches 2000 years old. we have to look at how cool i wrote accountable from the votes of the archbishop is caught somewhere in the middle of all of this call. i really deeply trust that god is guiding us and the god spirit to see you don't see each other. i'm quite sure that he will lead us to more than that gives me courage and strength and difficult situations keeps you not only to inter those situations,

but to see them as an opportunity. funds that something veronica and marie, leave the meeting with mixed feelings. the reality of their lives no longer fits the cause prescribed by the vatican, but who needs to give way? the charge to its members, or its members to judge the, to activate, reflect on that mindset in town valid, proceed. up to miss the most likely one for have so little confrontational, combative we optimistic. i think we can already see that these resolutions came about, partly because there was pressure from believer living. the bishops probably wouldn't have moved so far in their own. that's why it's necessary to continue fighting and pursuing this just can focus albums. not so. how does this been? i know the domestic. i think we've established a good new culture of debate efficient. that late people and bishops are in dialogue, and the bishops realize they can no longer decide each of the chats on the road. i think the resolutions that we've cost on mostly compromises,

but we must not retreat behind them having us out. of course, keep fighting and i think we can do a lot for our chat. you. it's my church change cases to some veronica and marie, all divisive and dangerous to others. they all pray for a foam is at, it's not a total clear web based pop will lead them. next the,

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