the lead activists from the lien and nigeria and the south african skater girls, shredding genders, stereotypes, the 77 percent on dw, we've got some hot tips for your bucket list, the magic corner check hot spot for food. and some great culture on the board has to vote w travels off, we go the hello and welcome to another edition of the 77 percent the show for off because youth, i'm your host, when you called laura. and it's a delight having you here coming up on the show,

we had over to tanya where we spoke with them that will be as low as target to the eligibility to live the community that you really need as teams is clear, inclusive slash enterprise channels. the power of love and acceptance. and we caught up with golf, take south africa, which has been sliding dentist do. real time not conforming to binary relationships in africa. temple is culturally specific tonnage is which the domina tell us actual culture may find difficult to accept, but is b j o quit really an african cause our sex and relationship x, but the box this me hey, what are you reading? oh, just some l g b t q i article, it's honestly quite depressing. l g b t q i right?

that's the lowest concept and i'm africa. and if you ask me, actually hold of you is a global reality, and it's very much present in western countries. european colonize is impose their own rigid agenda and sexual norms on african societies, from dress code to labor divisions, to laws criminalizing same sex activity, which he raised the rich diversity of gender and sexual expression that existed long before they set foot on our continent. like with an ancient african society, there were various square practices. for instance, in many was african cultures. they were individuals assigned to male at birth, who dressed and presented themselves as women. they were seen as spiritual intermediaries, who are respected within the communities. in many bond, 2 communities, women are allowed to marry other women in order to grow families and help with household choice. but it just feels natural. i don't know when people say that

something is against nature. what they actually mean is something that clashes with their opinion or world view. why do you think where people are placed on like such a high, yet negative pedestal, clear bodies are over sexualized. basically, an idea formed from societal stereotypes and misconception. many main street media outlets portray create individuals in a hyper sexualized manner, perpetuating harm, reducing their identity solely to their sexuality, is that only the human eyes is queer people, but also puts them in danger. love knows no boundaries. we need to understand that queer folk have the same capacity to love, meaningful relationships, build families, just like anyone else. someone gender or sexual orientation doesn't reduce the authenticity and depth of very motion. it's disgusting to think that people still hold such narrow views. how can we change this, the way people think,

education and conversation by sharing stories, history and experiences? we can challenge stereotype. it's important to have respect full conversations with those with whole different opinions. the bunkie mix and emphasizing the importance of inclusivity and the quality for all of you. everyone deserves to be respected and embraced for who they are. that's the spirit. love is love and it's time for the world to recognize that true to claim that in this thing is an honestly ton is based on the assumptions that africa is a homogeneous continent. but you and i both know the continent is a highly diverse, yet somehow that diversity doesn't translate into tolerance for people who are different or with loved differently. although that has been some progress on the

protection of eligibility to i plus rights in africa. many continued to some of the seats in some african countries, gave people can be punished by death or lengthy prison tops eligible to q. people in africa are risk, many face abuse, rejection and persecution. homosexuality is al fluid in dozens of african nations are on top of the countries that alco homosexuality as located in africa on your few african nations do not proving the live seeds explanation. but some of them often no protection to l to be secure people. south africa became the fast african country to legalize same sex marriage in 2006 on go law. in 2021 became the latest african country to decriminalize, same sex relationships. it was a new low to replace one from the colonial in era based a milestones along the road to acceptance and freedom. but many algebra to q people

remain at risk and countries like tomorrow, tamia and somalia and measure and states that practice sylvia know, gave people can be punished by death or the length of prison time. you kind of punishment to present your costs of your life. little targeting gave people it could result in the death penalty for specific 6 people from watching the activities could be sentenced for up to 20 is under the low case of food are considered for in or in the, into the continents culture. but doesn't cost a full and what about human rights and speaking of human rights, do you believe the government should be in your bedroom telling you what to do and how to do it? in my country, kenya, that's the case. and the eligibility to i plus community has become a target. my colleague, it is to my niece, invite to panelists from cages. l g be to i plus community, the church and an analyst for a debate on the right perspectives. it leaves and legal challenges. the young

people face the hello and welcome back to the 77 percent street, the bank. and today we're going to be discussing the rights or lack there of the l . g. particular community here in the country, out of 64 countries that have outlawed homeless sexuality, or same sex x in the countries. nearly half of those are rights here in africa. kennedy is of course, one of those nations. and our question today is, is it possible to co exist without discrimination? and i'd like to ask my 1st question to pose, you can sort of paint a picture for us of what the situation is like for the community here and kind of. so the law criminalizes some sexual us, i'm very general. and then below so criminalizes, the ways in which that act is performed, the longest different community. so same sex relationships and same sex picture. but also within said couple must division oral facts. so it's anything that's

conceded and not just uh, so just to clarify, what is a goal, what is criminal, what can you go to do for what you can go to just voice for being phone and having that picture. and so i looked at policemen, will i race to detain you for being perceived eligibility? i but that employees not criminally. so the simple fact of being korea is you're not going to go to do for that, but not really. what does it actually mean to be clear in kinda how does that life look like? first and foremost, it means being human. and i think the me, the most frustrating thing about the whole concept is that human beings are founded on defense as we all different. i mean, look at to you because that to me, give me specific examples. coming out to my family, i got this on that. i wouldn't say how many prostate came up to my mother. my mother took me to all my siblings and been close to 20 of them based on me. right. and it has been size v as now. i do not have a family underway. the general public likes to look at the queer people on 6, elizabeth on existence of, of these people. these are people going please, sam,

problems that was through when they go through with this, that comes to says, let me bring encouraging. contrary his a policy analyst with the leading party here in canada, and so i think you can speak on the policy position. but also the question of when the law says that you know such will accept criminalized and yet you don't get access because of how you present, how which logan is supposed to protect you against that discrimination. the beginning of the foundation of the sort of discussion is based on the african values, norms, concepts, and traditions. and of course, largely because a, our community or our society and kenya has, you know, those a issues that the policy that has, that happened. so what's our christian values and models have been brought to the for is to open up conversation with the they they do to meet sights of every

canyon or every human being to be whatever they wish to be compromises that each of these country and that in addition, because they've been to this a charge, let me introduce the past to a james, she's from level no charge. it's a very sort of, i would say liberal church here in kenya. very here for very young. and you have a very interesting new point talk to me about this. so what i see in the bible is that what had design and context was 6, right? there was a, it will concept of my agents in a mind and a woman. and it's weaving the confines of my age and the reasoning behind that. because these, these sinks, lunesta comes with the, the, the, the way that men and women a bit different. and so together we become better able to save as, as a society. but then that doesn't give me the right to pollution you, but of course not everybody in this country be that 80 percent of the people in this country identify as christian. and most of them a very conservative going as far as saying that not only is this a natural, some people calling for violence at against the career community. what do you say

to them? because i mean, you're still footprint of the same good. you type to do needs what people think, but if you call yourself extra 10, understand that is the bible and that bible 7 allow me to be violent against another assignment. my question to you as a says, gentleman, are you talking about this with fellow men? we know that in this country it can become very vitriolic among men spaces being on . is this breaking down being honestly when you can, can you even when you go the majority of kenyans did you find much more? because the a pastor was the most influential person who's within their society, they say, all we look up to you is what we defined as model box. this is what i mean. do you live by these mores realistically? how many people, how many pastors actually completes, you come to church every single sunday, but do live by these principles in which that we speak of right here behind to pop it to, to my dad is also a pastor. so another thing here is tightened. the other thing is they've been use living and even like when you actually know,

hold up is moral principles. so high and you start saying we are in the with, this is how you as a studies should live. and guess what? even amongst even us guys, most guys being honest with for the i is the i want to lead into that to little bit . why do you think, 1st of all, what do you, what's the assessment? i think the question of homophobia is so important for us, because again, i want to use fia irrational, p a and hate to. because when we say homophobia, we make it seem like it's such a fluffy idea. no, people are afraid because we have not been educated enough for both. what are people fearful of? i wish i had the answer to that, and i hope somebody, i the, someone who's i went into them have access to millions of assignments. usually when it comes to them before we enforce them to be like, oh, snap, you know, so you so you do what do you do? what happens to you kind of lecture life? yes. yeah. and then now that's what should be happen. because even though you start thinking that what can this person do to me because he also a guy now you're going to meet at the same time, okay?

that was an edit, but then also in what we were comfortable this when you don't understand something for your company to play. how do we move forward? i think the honesty part is very important. we have people, i hit this because this section lives, but it becomes a problem when clear people happy to be expressive about and it's not expressive, but to me i should think photographic videos and posting. i'm going to bring metals that we're just coming up to say, hi, my name is make these view what i have on this. then i have rights have a book to home phone to meet in 2019. and i've talked about his story on social media. many times he's up an apologist. i go for a pub smith. he asks me about my section. that's because that's what to i'm. so when you go for anything about your sexual didn't have any way. right. and they tell me momma lived in and from the on i'll just a little longer pups me, it was a muscle to me and we haven't worked with that experience. the end of good you give us what rights when we've seen so you will not hear anything about as jam. we'd like to finish with words from a pastor. yeah,

we need to open up. i don't. i don't have a claim on. good, steven, who doesn't. alright. just open up more spaces for people to talk. you will stop looking at this as a task i lived in, or we, i, you got laser be so much more to why she's a past due and she hasn't be shown she has needs. she has all these different things i like that. so when you come to get, i've been able to get out before because i've been to be, i can attend for some i believe so new and the 1022 and you can post, you'll be due for me, but we need to be able to quite these all right as fast. so as we conclude, mary lee's, i asked the question, is it possible to co exist without discrimination? very quickly. yes. window after this conversation. yes, it is possible. okay. that up here, the task though, but it is possible. i like that. i like to think, oh my guess yet today, because having this conversation in a ruby is not easy, especially given the political climate. and i want to thank you of you was listening to and the

thing is for that debate, you can watch the entire street debate on oh, youtube channel. so it is possible to co exist without discrimination. in fact, same sex relations are a part of africa's history ancient cave painting. n, as in bob boy shows to man and ditched and ritual of passion. it is documented a language in pre colonial times means like we could tackle meant the estimate, males among the language people of northern uganda existed and these men couldn't marry men. they list african causes have known complex, same sex relationships for centuries, long before it was recognized in the west. now moving on to west africa and conservative nigeria, same sex relationships, us to, to both members of the eligibility to.