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i'm tired of the 34 years. i was a metal i didn't know now i know the never ending story of asbestos starts june 21st on d w. the stephanie is near defends minnes or is on his bus trip to asia since taking office . now he's been guessing a florida as far as tough pro ukraine line. but where does he stand when it comes to the challenges here in this region? many of them coming from china or as the story is welcome to the w. hello. you've

got a war raging negation international like the economic economically, uh, challenges with things like that will be shape here. definitely, the region is important, not only for germany, but for europe. and it's, oh, okay, you're the defense minister. so what can the german army, the german 4 does that realistically do here in the, in the pacific and make a difference? i think we will never play in really active role in that region, but it can show present was what we already did in 202122. in 2020, we adapted our guidelines as far as the end of pacific. this was very important to show our interest and our shift focus to that region which is very important. and our presence military presence was afraid by on a 2 years ago. and our present c a next year. our presence in the e. c. c or participation and monitoring the sanctions against that off korea. all

that is our intention to show that we are interested. we are engaging in that region and therefore we are here. we will be here. okay, and you've announced that you're going to send another ship in 2024 to this region . where do you sail through the taiwan strait? this time was a decision we were a make up later, but enough now as well as additional which is which has to be made at the moment. in many countries, industries in our schools, extremely concerned about potentially instability in the in the pacific, including engine easier when now indonesia is increasing its defense spending. so most of you go in your suitcase for indonesia while i was up in my suitcase. no weapons. of course, but the, the insurance and the, the problem is that we will be busy, we'll, uh, we'll talk about in germany about all export control regulations because i am convinced that many of us are co, vince. and if we everything seriously,

of engaging in that region, if we think seriously about the risking antique and not the coupling. if you think seriously about what is necessary to be serious and reliable upon the end of the regions, and this must include at the billing this at least to discuss how we can support our populace. our old 5 plus our new fathers in that region. also in regards of, of defense as long as they are really a reliable part of that. we have a lot of them. okay. indonesia, ones, planes. i know that and does, i can absolutely understand that. and i can tell you that the decision for that comprehensively prepared in the very positive the way i think the decision has made yet, and i expect it in the next in the near future. all right, so we'll be following that very closely. you, of course, you've already hinted on your comments about and germany's need to rethink is export policy to support on the nation's democracy's here as for valid system as

interests of self defense. so what exactly are you hoping to achieve is that part of the whole heights? vince is that we need to rethink why we deliver on with. well, we woke up and another was and we slept in uh before the 21st of february last year . so we have uh to, to re think our product of the policy of the last the case. and we do that. the german society, the german politics. they made a really shift of opinion. if somebody had told me 2 years ago, the gentleman would deliver heavy weapons in the amount of 353, up to $5000000000.00 yours. i wouldn't have to believe that. so by this case i, i just point you can really see very easily how is the a public opinion as a policy of germany has already changed. and of course, it is necessary to the risk of that already mentioned that that means we have to, we have to consolidate all the countries in the world who are willing and able to

defend the who's on who's based on it. okay, and you guys to push for that in the gym cabinet, are you? well, i will try to, to push the discussion of all of that, but it is already ongoing. you're traveling on to india officer engine easier. what have you got to offer them? the india also ones weapons from gemini? well, when i, when i, when i will arrive at and then yeah, i will be accompanied by a representative of the german companies defense industry companies. and i was send a signal with that we are willing to support our populace already live upon. was like indonesia like india. and that include, for example, the way the way of the possibility of delivering a submarine, for example. so we would talk about that without losing out of photos, the sensibility of the deliberate weapons all over the water. we have to find a balance between delivering weapons on the ones on the one hand to our populace to

our live, with 5000 on the other end to control and to, to, to limit delivering of weapons all over the world. because we don't need really so much weapons anymore into what we should not have too much weapons. german weapons, all of course, in ukraine. you've supplies the country with times for example. and there is a bit of a c o going on that ukraine might use those lessons to actually go into the rest in tennessee. now, if i understand you correctly, you all do. ukraine has the right to do so because of self defense, butts, and walk out and sees have you call that they're jumping the less is time, for example, won't roll into bells or out in watts. would that mean if it is, well, i trust, and all your grain populace? absolutely. and what i always say, always emphasize was that the international law allows and permits it to the,

to ukraine, to do that. but on the other hand, germany and like yes, for example, to always highlighted, we don't want use having use our weapons for crossings the russian bought. so this is the difference between the position and i, i've absolutely sure i don't have any signals for the opposite. that is ukraine, the is a real live apartment. and that issue too. if i can just ask you again, sending drones to a russian church or use our campus, sending planes isn't, don't let us be to do picky on that. and the question is once a moment, and that's a place here in indonesia to, to be, to come to make comments on what is now possible on as okay. but nevertheless, i will have to ask you about germany's contribution to ukraine. even if we're here in asia, but of course the topic is ongoing. what about the tourist christmas files as you can going to get then rather than mobile and we don't really thinking about doing

it. and which role is germany's thinking about having when it comes to the flight to jet fall isn't an observer or a more active part is present to lensky ones. we uh, just in the, in the, in the phase of rethinking it and checking what is possible and what we are willing and able to do. and we will make up on mind, i think during the next 2 weeks. now of course, the rough as war against you pay is playing a big role in discussions here as well. and a you hear this question a lot. what has done many done to stop this war? and how difficult is it for you to convince your accounts? because here that immediate ceasefire is no solution. what do you tell them? i tell them, i mean if he's fi, i would only means that russia comes through with his aggression. they go away with his expression and findings that will even have a success. the only come to that 2 countries root canals as well. the 1st of all is

russia just pulling back their troops out of your brain with engine walk in that moment. but stopping, making an end to delivering weapons to refrain. let's, as you're trained to, let's and your brain tomorrow. so this is not a solution, and ukraine is a southern countries. ukraine is to decide the time has come for legal she agents or anything of it. it's not after us. do you get the feeling that they understand? yes, i do, and the others have enough to not to everybody doesn't understand or accepted. most of them do because i always tell them what would you do in just the same situation . what did you, what, what you, uh, expect of you, a process of your allies into what st telling you you have to do relate to, to give up. what is, what is the solution of that is in that moment our process do understand. now cause one of the big questions that you will guessing here from what will you'll con,

deposit is whether it's w stand on china. now, china or in the us seemed to be facing a situation with almost no off from and your cooling on them to keep in touch. but where do you see room from the news of that? there is room for the i think we experience and sound like something like a shadow boxing. i don't, i don't know. anyway, i think both of them are very and should be very and off to be very interested in coming back to the table to do the go shade and to keep in touch with each other. because otherwise, the space for misunderstandings on and the risk for escalations really ways and increase. both of them knows that and knows that i'm there for i'm quite sure that we'll get back to the table. so just finishing off one last question in outlook on your next trip to india happening tonight and in the are, is of course, very dependent when it comes to wesson's on russia, or do you want to change sides?

are you going to step of 7 on sales? it is that up to germany, to, to, to change that on our own, or only by germany. there's an issue we have to solve a jointly with other partners, but of cause we cons, have an interest in the long run that india is so dependent on russians delivering of weapons or other materials. therefore, we have to have to be to, to, to think about that what we can do as far as the story is done in these defense. and so thank you. thank you very much. i the how will we live in the future or rather, in what architects increase the sustainability is key. climate friendly building this and recycled materials are all the rage we

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