criticism from men in the clergy, the women in the church, the 2 w w y c port winning offer if he's available worldwide. and for every language level, learning german has never been simpler german to go to the . ready temple hall feels a foam apple turned pock in the haunt at the city. a place to let one's spirit,

soul free. at least it is from marie and veronica. but how to bring that feeling into the catholic faith, women, priests, or blessings for queer couples? could these reforms become a reality in the 21st century. ready the . ready the 2 campaigners are active catholics. folks are committed to reforming that charge. marie, masha grew up in a liberal counselor because she's been involved with the local church for as long as she can remember. today she's employed by the german catholic women's association. fighting for women's rights and the charge is on line swap. the veronica type, as bob was not a straight on or on the capacity grow up in

a use wells fan of latest finding charge through a student community. often graduating, veronica entered a religious order for a year. now the activist is completing a ph. d, and theology. that is involved in the out in charge initiative for queer catholics to mostly for you to see it fast as the women, as i have the feeling that something's and the same as being a part of humanity is mistaken, of topics are missing, but many perspectives on life are missing. if you see the church as a body of a mystical body will live in a part of that body is in time missing on the fear that and sometimes the sly of us . so the most victim, we don't want to take anything away from anyone. i think what instead be adding something. if we women can also become priests bishop system and, and of course eventually that's how i'm and i still haven't lost hope. i know it's hot, but even still the mid december 2022 at the st. can easiest judge in

berlin. marie anti fellow campaign is us, be heading something of a catholic revolution. here fall the mindset her soul and makes is judge available to the group. the worship, he agrees that women have to few rights in a charge, so he's happy to provide his support. it goes out tell from do a, from the fact that women not allowed to perform baptism says or lead a congregation to the fact that they have no right to vote in church bodies and can only hold advisory roles as i find it unfair because i does that's why i try to use the modest means at my disposal to give these women a place in my trying to she i don't the home get or marie and veronica are both members of the catholic activist group. maria, to point of it, demands full equality for women in the catholic church about and campaign is received support from the protestant community that evening. micro

shift that is a protestant pasta for many centuries, such a pop, but protestant women was not possible. yes. as we speak on some potent see me to stand by the side and support them in taking sentence and fighting the fine tongue . i'm able to, i can stop. i want to support my catholic brothers and sisters. in the catholic church, women are generally confined to the pews, but in today service they come to stand in front and preach as women in protestant churches are already permitted to do the name of the protest group. maria, to point to reflect its focus on mary. the mother of gone and today service does 2 do not be afraid, mary. you have found favor with god. and behold, you will conceive and give birth to son.

see she has regarded below the midst of a hand maiden and behold from henceforth all generations. so call me blast. we mean preaching is unacceptable to many conservative catholics, taught the members of maria to point to do it any way, toys, so long as it was a great, really nice experience to combine the congregation in the atmosphere with the music . the fact that i was allowed to be here in this church today was something very special for me. because for the 1st time i stood in front and was allowed to read from the gospel of luke and the catholic touch. it's not customary for women to read from the gospel and i'll send this a new e as in mike, a shifts a protestant pasta is headed to judge cheese opponents catholic sisters. because in the past, we mean we're not allowed to become pastors. in the protestant judge ita women have

only had equal rights in german, his protestant church since 1998 the microsoft that it was a divine calling. yeah. and these are the kids to dislike of mine. the i can now be a pasta in this church in this congregation of these are all, and i hope that this place will become a diverse and lively place. are full of people who are welcome to come as they are and can celebrate live, and worship, and leaving. that's my dream. what kind of mind home? monica is also an influenza. about 25000 people follow on instagram. she's been often the, i'm on my way to the put cost studio to record a new episode of my post cost. and i'm a little late and, and let's see if the others are they get an update on that as well. take you along

with me is me much moment. this is a new generation of religious women, molden confidence and reaching across religious lines. in 100 pound cost 331. the christian pasta talks to a muslim woman and a jewish woman about feminism and matters of faith. the poet cost is financed by the house of one, an inter religious project in berlin. house this welcome to a new episode is 33193 women. 3 religions, one topic, the internet just put cost from the house of wanda. this is rebecca speaking and i am back with my wonderful co host cooper and micah hello, nice to be back, design it for me. i'm excited to today we have another serious topic. we're talking about the revolution any wrong, so let me on. each of them is fighting for women's rights and one of the 3 major

well religions succeed in address stereotypes and prejudices. ma, well, for example that anyone who thinks that coupons headscarf is at odds with a feminist podcast. the host set the record straight, the people who bought it just quickly, the pointed question for you. would you say that the tool compulsion in slum, for instance, the compulsory head, coffee, uncomfortable from somebody that you know is on, has no composing at all because there is a very clear principle. okay, no composing in religion. the sympathetic, as mentioned, there are people though who instrumental as religion and want to carry out their own agenda through it to you and in the provision line and also abuse. it didn't kind of the women advocate for diversity and tolerance in and between the major world religions. this women lead religious movement is the one about empowerment, respect, and solidarity. so it goes without saying that marie,

a cancellation took part in the demonstration supporting women in iran. the young activists think about reforms and women's rights that reach far beyond their own communities. god of this to own and we women of different religions and stand together. and this already exists in full wild religions. but this support must grow doing district, especially between different religions. mission associated the need to we christians stand up for muslims as a jewish people worldwide. and verified the just me, i wish there was even better corporation because i'm unite women of all religions all and i love it and that's my dream. and the women and quit people is over the dense united to another. go and find the story. we saw the veronica supports germany's green party, the activist campaigns,

even when it's cold and raining of the good evening. and can i give you some election info, hello info about the election to see? veronica is non binary and identifies as positive into the drum and acronym stands for women into sex, non binary, friends, gender, and age and individuals. veronica wants to deepen understanding how tony and the charge i bought in society as a whole solution and stuff. i think it's important that we as people are shaping society, perhaps, especially as people who bring a certain amount of experience has spent individual, i think a party like the greens offers a very good way to help define and shape society size. so how do top religious leaders in rome? see these issues the vatican is the administrative send to the catholic church and home to the pope. the judge, his spiritual leader, german calls for reform done seem to be taken very seriously. and however,

po process is committed to strengthening into religious dialogue and the number of women in leadership positions that the vatican has grown significantly during his pontifical, on the other hand is previously made clear that the ordination of women is not a question open to discussion. the back in cold berlin, the young catholic marie is not willing to accept this. she argues that jesus had women disciples. she believes the judges tradition of only ordaining men had to do with the times. not the will of god, the world is changing and she wants people in her charge to re think they have used to exercise best spiritual freedom. i hired so the to me is um, saves, push to move on to buy me freedom means self determination of this. i rarely experience back to my church. i think this is my ideal being free and the charge to

do what i want to do about this. and of course the following good rules and in a meaningful way. yeah, it's in effort. all the catholic church was marie spiritual home throughout childhood. it seems sometimes that feeling of home is at risk of slipping away the german catholic women's association when the re works as being campaigning for women's rights. but over a century the association has around a 180000 members in germany. so mary is certainly not alone in her desire for change as pontiff and maria to point out campaign protestors hung to mines to the dose of the churches in a gesture reminiscent of mounting loose the. but i'm like the found to protestantism these reform is one to remain members of the catholic church. they want to change the institution from within marie anti fellow. campaigners don't

understand why that charge refuses to step in to the 21st century. the confounding to protestantism isn't an option marie considers ida is has been dos, go back to the catholic church as my husband and i grew up in it and feel at home that of course i understand the language, im services and the litigious. well that's what i don't want to do is make room for the people who wouldn't leave under any circumstances. like a couple of these are the right wing catholics, mostly men in america, all stay as long as i can make a difference. i am so long you're supposed to look, and i'll try to make sure that we really make progress. ms. answer. explain this to you because i won't give up my case so quickly because that would be nice leaving without to find that i went to the slide off i left in this small

a few weeks later. there's a show down in frank science. it's the last day of a meeting of st. it'll pop off the reform project of the german catholic church. late people and bishops have been discussing reforms, the rights of women and queer people. on 2 of the most controversial issues, the votes are still pending. one of the bishop's advocating reform is hi, nicole. the archbishop at bell in marie and veronica hoping for his to bones is i'm just like, it's exhausting. it's goal oriented. there's pressure to unite as many people as possible simply because the necessary process is that note i missed convinced of that. now, as i was in the beginning, i was able to, we have to go through this the most, but we must pursue a path, but it's open ended. no big deal by perhaps we have wanted to achieve too much in a short time, i'd give all cotton old rhina, maria von k opposes the reforms into

a small group of bishops, almost ended the whole process of the last meeting in september 2022 because if the, if the bishop's vote against the motion, it's defeated 10 now to a protest group has gathered in front of the conference. whole they call themselves the catholic youth movement for them to send it the policies, the wrong path. they want things to stay the way they are for them. quinn is, is a sin and women priests are against the will of god. it's been yet um towards us and use the vehicle. 5 yelton's. i'm here with the catholic youth movement and innovation because we are very concerned about the direction in which the senate will path in the middle of the positions are being adopted here that clearly contradict catholic due to the question and this threatens to split the church. this thoughts, i love to make a thoughts from them shift my him. the conservatives believe that the risk of

causing a breakaway movement and splitting the charge must be avoided at all costs. despite the protests, a clear majority of german, they representatives and bishops vote in favor of the reforms. the 1st title of the day is the text to allow the blessing of same sex unions in german catholic judges . it's a practice the vatican has forbidden then the vote on the role of women in the catholic church, philip that has been vocal in supporting the idea of women being ordained before the final vote. she was optimistic since when antics nations, even if the text is not adopted, it's out in the world and everybody can read it. we won't give up on this issue. it's so important. the question of women is simply the most important issue for the future. i'd like to give you steps to get to kind of just to avoid

a 3rd of the patients blocking the motion. the reform proposals are continually warranted down the women who feel called to the priesthood. discouraged, you know, the wound of it as tight and been difficult and fine. so what happened? it was like, it's just so at my inner wound, we're only here when we have full access to all ministries and offices in the church. i like living my vocation as a non for good, but i can't live part of my calling before god. this is not a felt calling as an experienced calling. and i'd like it to be tested. not just passed over because i'm a woman. let me see what to back. i'm going to try to copy of the in the end it becomes about women being old, a deacons to assist the priests, and that due to is still it's only a recommendation. ultimately, the pope designs this compromise motion is accepted for some it is bound to

little, but others believe it has opened the door to the priesthood for women. up to the vote, philipo hodge and fellow campaign is celebrated. he believed to put a decisive step towards the ordination of women as being achieved screen . yes, even on the face time. 67 now. so if i live another 20 years, i hope the total experience, the 1st student nations is not. do you guys find any facility will pump resolutions on the declaration of intent? in the end, each bishop is free to decide whether he wants to act on them or not. archbishop call from bowen says he's taken a lot out at the meeting. the villain village company got teeth on the inside. there's the will to break new ground like in terms of communication with deliberation and decision making. and there's the courage to broach issues where we

don't degree things on. my great concern is how we can stay together in the one church and even if we have very different ideas about the church, of them have ideas about what comes next and how we move forward over how you provide. so again, shortly afterwards, the vatican issues a clear the to the resolutions of the gym and reform project on not recognized by the pope. about 2 years ago, pope fonts is launched a world wide pro sense of listening and dialogue about the concerns of german catholics receive little attention. ringback pressing, same sex unions and relevant the ordination of women, not on the table. pessimists via a schism in the german catholic church. ultimately want to keep the discussions going. the definitely the best as we get to this website that we thought would

happen now that the pope would do and he's great interest 4 months, then came to statement, we were a little disappointed. those are arguments from the seventy's to go. however, the archdiocese of berlin is still sent on the roof phone calls. the most visible sign of this is the catholic cathedral. it stands in the middle of the city and is being completely rebuilt. the battle and dying serious who's trying something new here. the strict hierarchy of clergy at the front end to believe us that the bank is being completely re imagined. the entire char choose being gutted, and rebuilt and this is how it should look when it's finished. the ulta in the middle freely accessible, the believe us on the same level with the

knowledge bishop meets with the to maria to point to activists in his office. he wants to answer the questions about the changes that are to come and bell in says take a seat, archbishop. hi. nicole faces a dilemma. the pope $1012.00, the german reforms. and there are people in his diocese don't either. but also to i'm and catholics on ega for change. now, german historian josefina phone via has also joined the discussion at the archbishop to request. she wants the charge to keep its traditions. that's in the quote. can i ask a provocative question? why do you want reforms advantage so doesn't make any sense to take the and to reform is with you. hold on. i say no, it started and i guess it was a note. i'm was that if we don't see that the church needs to be renewed, then we're not filling its mission symbols, it will become

a museum. but as to the direction, but what is the progress versus a step backward? so that's the key question that we have to discuss and reflect the split. can we take everyone with us? it's been my task in the past, or i hope that we can take as many people as possible with us advice. i know it'd be easier to say good bye. let's split up and marble create a department store with everything under one roof on each person with their own shop. i don't want that. those mission lines are already drawn at this meeting. josefina found via is opposed to women being or dang, deacon's, all priced state. i know i want to be of service. i don't have to be ordained for that. i don't want a status endowed with power. that's totally twisted for the it doesn't work as i'm the busy the being the service may be the right thing and work for you. but i know a lot of women who say it doesn't work for me. as i know that i'm cold. i have an in a certain d revise. this is something up in the side if it doesn't to by showing me slow,

but i think it would be enriching and it's quite possible just size and i think it would be a good sign. there were also women in your data ministry serving at the altar by it installed the of them. he means women is deacons assistance to the priest, but archbishop call requires permission from the vatican to ordain women. however, he could allow the blessing of same sex unions and his dice is at his own risk. yes, i'd be interested to know what the time table is. one thing when you think of places will be set up and were queer couples who wants to be bless, can go and ask for a priest of less than a piece. the common gun is most of it needs to be an issue in the parish bundles all. i don't want to impose anything on anybody, but i'm determined to see it happen. my name isn't put my current position is that it will work and i'll do it. doesn't get rid of to the blessing of queer couples has been discussed in the german catholic church, but he is thought that it should happen now is still too hasty. in josefina phone, via as view loving, this is a good one yet to attend. we want to set target as well as i see that is throwing

a spinner in the works in y'all's, finding them good people. for some, the changes go too far and too fast for all those the changes on the zone over to you. it's for design decision innocence. so, so i'd say that i'm speaking for at least 50 percent of german society. and the billing is here in ox diocese to see themselves as catholics. when i say that if nothing happens, now the doors not only calling us, but a departure could happen. but since whether there, this is the we shouldn't let not put us on depression. and because the history of the churches 2000 years old, we have to look at how cool i real accountable from the votes of the archbishop is caught somewhere in the middle of all of this call. i really deeply trust that god is guiding us. and the god spirit to see you don't see each other. i'm quite sure that he will lead us to more than that gives me courage and strength and difficult situations keeps you not only to inter those situations,

but to see them as an opportunity. funds that something veronica and marie leave the meeting with mixed feelings. the reality of their lives no longer fits the cause prescribed by the vatican, but who needs to give way? the charge to its members or its members to judge? the 2 active is reflect on them mind sent in town valid, proceed up to miss this. likely one helps a little confrontational, combative we optimistic. i think we can already see that these resolutions came about, partly because there was pressure from believer, leaving the bishops probably wouldn't have moved so far in their own. that's why it's necessary to continue fighting and pursuing this just can focus albums enough . so how does this been, i know the domestic, i think we've established a good new culture of debate efficient. that late people and bishops are in dialogue, and the bishops realize they can no longer be assigned to each of the chats on the road. i think the resolutions that we've cost on mostly compromises,

but we must not retreat behind them having of course, keep fighting and i think we can do a lot for our chat. you. it's my church change cases to some veronica and marie, all divisive and dangerous to others. they all pray for a foam is at, it's not a toll clear where these palm will lead them. next, the,

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