[000:00:00;00] the when russia invited you trade last year, germany is that look on the world changed overnight return of war and your if expose the folly of massive defense cuts following the end of the cold war. well, today that you have a government presented, the countries 1st have a national security strategy, checking us if it strategic ambivalence. germany now has staked out a blueprint for 40 vanya, to place animal hostile world, on feel, go in by name, and this is the day the, i can see this for russia's aggressive action, show us that no country, not even germany, can be neutral when it comes to questions of warranties,

right and wrong theory has done exceptionally well with what i used to call a strategic ambivalence and says by the changes it remains the central task of the state to ensure the security of good citizens without compromise. jeremy then always sort of hedged its role based on what others were doing. that means security is not just a matter of a defense ministry and an interior ministry, but it's also about how it is, for example, energy. because without security, the company, no freedom, no stability, and no posterity also coming up the a, you moves closer to regulation, artificial intelligence, we look at the benefits of the pitfalls of trying to control this technology is never good or bad. the same algorithm can be used to those type of offer as well as to cancer detection, so it's all about what is the use case,

the eyes use for and who is using at the welcome to the day. now germany hasn't failed its 1st national security strategy. yes, in the making and accelerated following impressions invasion of ukraine. it includes more money for the military. i'm fulfilling the previous commitments on defense spending made students nato allies. documents has flashed out and i've been structured to the historic turning point, the sites and vendor announced by chancellor schultz last year in the aftermath of the russian invasion. it's also a strategy for preparing the german society for potential conflicts and making the country more resilient. the day of his target 1st in centreville, in chancellor shoals and 4 of his most important ministers facing the press together and on the table, the long wait, it's very 1st national security strategy. it comes at a time when the global security environment is especially tens, with reference to the board on the train and heightened to political,

to rivalry between china and the us and says title the changes. it remains the central task of the state to ensure the security of good citizens without compromise. because without security, there can be no freedom, no stability, and no prosperity. and these days that means small then safety and the conventional sense security must be defined much more broadly at a german 4 in minnesota and the bulk july. the model is a lot of charity in the 21st century means that pharmacies can reliably supply essential medicine. security means that we can chat with our friends on line without being spied on by china and without being manipulated by russian bots. when we scroll through social networks, sufficient, hi, begin the clarity. also sorry for each of us every morning when we take a shower. mrs. out with clean, hot water, knowing that it's quality has been checked, lights dusting, funny tubes. it might be the proof of it. but there's also

a commitment to security and the more traditional fence, one very concrete example, the insurance that germany is striving to meet make those 2 percent defense spending target. besides this 5 percent means 2 percent is a long term goal. either attributed to sling by 2 other decisions, we have made an asset to the finance in defense ministers. and for me is that the german military can rely on this for the planning bombing of the document also takes up the issue of china. the strategy paper refers to it as a competitor and says, tammy griver. at the same time, it acknowledges the agents, superpower remains a pop. now, without whom many global challenges and crises can not be resolved by didn't start, we clearly see the world completely differently when it comes to the rule of law, human rights and democracy conflict. but when we think of the finding the climate crisis, which is the greatest security threat in terms of sustainability, that we must define security in terms of our livelihoods there. we definitely have

common ground with china after decades and which external threats seemed far away in germany. profit it from a globalized economy, that has been a rude awakening. the countries for us security strategy is a step towards addressing the realities of a new era. ok, let's take a closer look at basically the rough al bus home from the gym and introduce of international and security effects. welcome to the w. what does having a national security strategy now allow me to do that? it wasn't already doing well, that's a good question. i mean, they haven't been actually any really concrete resource commitments yet in this kind of strategy. it is a 1st and foremost, a dual credit exercise, trying to coordinate various ministries, the different policies. but they have a common understanding under they actually talk more to each other. but one of the original ideas was to have a new also institutional structure and national security council. and that wasn't possible for

a whole number of reasons. so we really don't know yet actually what will be the sort of actual outcome of this kind of discussion so far. okay, we'll talk about defense because obviously that's all about as a bib. secure say, but this is a strategy that goes beyond defense. but what we'll stop there, we'll start with that this, this commitment to spending 2 percent of g d, p on defense, the same commitment that has been made and massage so many times before. even got to the days of the former chancellor and coming back. oh, so what should germany's allies take from this latest commitment to, to this, to present mock versus being there for so long? well, i mean basically it's just trying to say we're still believing and it's, and we have to show, hopefully in the years time that we're getting better at closing in on the target. and of course, the whole context now is different so that there was after the famous type and then

to speech more perspective to reaching that target. but we're still far off. so yes, as you rightly say, it's been a target has been around for a long time. i don't think the strategy makes it in itself a difference to reaching it, but it contributes to this kind of friends that yes, germany is a slow moving tanker. but it is moving, you talked about that the very fact that there was this idea of a national security council which has been loss. uh, it's interesting because who then drives this, who make sure the different departments control by different parts of this country's fractious governing coalition. who make sure they don't chip away the bits they don't like or, or increase the bits that they think of being overload 12. this is the exec, the why it took so long to get this strategy passed. i mean, this is actually already half of your late at least. and um, well of course, in the end, the power lies with the chancellor and the chancellor re and in technical terms, there is a national security council in germany,

but it doesn't fulfill the function that say the west council does. because technically, at the moment it's only something doing with arms x force and very narrow mondays. i'm so a sweeping national security council that really has this power to coordinate to really set the direction that has been missing. and it hasn't been instituted because the for an office and the child, so they couldn't really agree on who has the final say so. so yes, that was really the child's lives, the power. but there is still this kind of power play between policies and ministries, and that's why we haven't gotten it. so it's already starting to sound like it could go off the rails quite quickly. i'm away from defense distresses you type thing, things like that. strengthening society to face challenges like cyber threats and climate change. how well, i mean, i think taking what i just said, also in a positive light. i mean, yes, of course the has the bureaucracy kind of in fighting to some extent. but on the other hand, they have come together on issues. and now there really is this kind of common

narrative that is security has to be solved as an integrated whole. but these different elements actually sort of influence each other and that we cannot continue in silos. only and, and so in that sense, yes, it's not good enough to only have a military strategy. i have a cyber security strategy. have somebody on, you know, the climate change, but we have to bring together any more sustained, coherent approach. um, so as i said, i think it is the start of the journey. we don't have everything we wanted, but it can be a chance for something better in the future. it's just, it's just uh, i'm hearing a phrase from almost my childhood from 20 years ago. from tony blast, the british government talking about time joined up governments, which is what this very much the sounds like. china, where is china in is germany's most important export market. and of course a rising ministry pout. one is mentioned quite prominently and some in the one hand, the strategy repeats the actually or again quite dated. so the phrase, which is also used the level china as a partner as

a competitor and arrival. so trying to say, well, of course, in some issues, we still need to corporate office. china in particular on climate change out of the same time when economic competitor and increasing the unfortunately will also rival on various value issues. and also potentially, ultimately i'm going to 3 questions. um so, so let's try as a, there's this idea that we can balance this, that we don't have to go into full out confrontation that we want to have also partnership. but as a tens relationship, and we are still a voice here, separate china strategy, which is coming in early july and the will be a summit in german china summit also so that we'll, we'll devise on that and see how that actually kind of plays out. it's very clear, thank you so much for allowing photo. so raphael, bustling from the german institute of international and security of your, of your empowerment has approved the draft rules governing artificial intelligence . automated proposals will now go to member states for negotiation and agreement.

game is to set a global standard for technology used in everything from factories to self driving, costs and chat. thoughts most agree that the rules are essential as deficient over how strict space should be whenever computers through jobs, the previously required human intelligence, we speak of artificial intelligence. i crops up and many phones from the algorithms that decide what we think on social media to programs we use to generate text or images or software that helps doctors to spot cancer and x rays. but it can also be used to supercharge this information online, or enables surveillance on an unprecedented level. so let me the countries are looking to regulate artificial intelligence. europe is leading the way. there are fundamentally 2 sides to the debate. many i, our developers are concerned about having too much regulation. we need to make sure that we don't over regulate right now because that will hinder innovation as

awesome as water that helps found the german, hey i association, which represents some 400 companies, is never good about the same algorithm can be used to boost type of offer as well as to cancer detection, so it's all about what does the use case the eyes use for and who is using a lot of innovation comes from small startups. and so the more regulation we put, the less the innovation of and see from the small companies. but while the opportunities of a i a vast. so with the risks, and that's the other side of the debate. digital rights advocates want to top rules to mitigate the risks, the artificial intelligence, machine learning and all these lets a complex complex algorithms and data sets. are jeff, placate the biases that the humans have. a systems used in recruitment, for example, have been shown to be biased against women. facial recognition technology has been

proven to be less accurate for people of color with people being arrested for crimes. they never committed. and algorithms used to, by public authorities have wrongly accused thousands of families of welfare fraud. so you go make is a seeking to balance both sides of the argument, their answer regulate a i systems according to their level of risk when the risk so limited, like when a high is used, it fills the emails for spam. only a few rules apply. but for potentially life changing applications like deciding which students qualify for higher education, the rules will be strict to some applications will be banned completely. the aim is to reap the benefits of a i while limiting its risks. let's look at basically cost me the mother who's president and co founder of ally. that's a group working full responsible ally. she's also a member of your opinion, commissions at high level expert group on artificial intelligence. welcome to dw,

so we're still a long way, i think from this actually becoming legislation, but looking at where are we on the how is the, how are these proposals likely to work as well to start with your 1st remark. we're still in a way, we're not that long a way from assigned old and a final text if we believe the cobra because of the european parliament. and today they mentioned that they want to have a final text by the end of this year in november. then there of course will be a grace period, but they also mentioned that the grace period will likely be to use, but they also mentioned that for certain applications and certain systems to create experience might even be shorter than that. because of the latest developments. ok, that's interesting is that because the i has exploded, this technology has exploded over the last,

let's say 1st last 6 months or so. and he's got speed and speeding and speed you 2 months from now. the landscape is going to look completely different. sorry, 2 years from now are in. yeah, probably the landscape is going to be is going to do different. what we see with the latest developments, like you mentioned, for example, chattahoochee and mit your ne generative ai systems is that the challenge is that they bring are not that different from the challenges that we have seen over the past couple of years. they are larger in scale, but they're not that different. they have the same challenges regarding bias. they have the same challenges and risk regarding the impact on fundamental rights misinformation just information of scale safety, etc. so we,

there might be different systems coming up in the coming years. the challenges might not be that different. and on the other hand, if the, if the challenges are really different, then the a i act will have mechanisms in place to quickly is that the rules to those changes and to those developments. so it's a quite flexible regulation. it is, it is future prove if you will, right? which is what kind of need penalty a go to need fairly heavy penalties. because when you look at what these, these systems can do. now when you look at the misinformation that date sites, right? the sort of people who will do this in the 1st place. i'm not going to be the sort of people who will say, oh, well the, you not has a lower against this, so i'm go to stop. so it needs enforcement and it needs punishment. it needs property. yes, and there is, there is quite some teeth in it. um there are quite have defines in the uh,

in the dropped a i x they, they range from. i think 10000000 to 40000000 for a breach of the a i act. and the so there's a, there are quite some teeth already in the x and, and there will be a structure of supervisors that will be mobilized to, to see if the, if the act is live done by organizations. and there's also, if the parliament gets this way, there's also an interesting new of possibilities for, for people, for citizens to go to a supervisor with a complaint to issue a complaint with the supervisors. sort of the whistle blowing. if you will, to say, look, there is in the system in play and i think that it is not doing really well. could you have a look at that? right. it's interesting that but from what you've said, and i appreciate the visual be legislation,

that's hundreds of pages. there's not thousands of pages long, but this is aimed at corporate structures. but if you are a bad actor, if you are acting on behalf of a malign state, what's good is being find because you're not going to pay that disease, is this the will be as low as carry jail time? no, they won't carry to time. no. so it's a that we have every laser smile, but i'm thinking that, you know, if i'm running a, i don't know, i'm a russian troll factory, but it's money. but it's manufacturing. jo biden's going out and saying, all sorts of horrible things you saying, well, we will find you millions if we can catch you, that's not going to stop me. i know, but we always have the front of the right place. people were not willing to abide by legislation that we have for this role. there is a, there's no going to be,

there's not going to be jail time in this little. but it might be in the future that we will move towards a structured that would include also jill. time we will have to see, but this little does nothing to that yet. thank you for to have. so that's the catalina mill, the president of ally. thank you. you're welcome bye or to his presidents as nato should not bet on him. approving swedish membership of the ministry alliance before july's nato summit. the jeep type of the ones that these countries attitude to sweden's accession was not positive. a sweden hasn't yet fully addressed to secure the consent. to accuse this waiting the bank to legions towards the militant cottage groups. as comments comes, officials from nato, sweden, finland an anchor, mac n, correct to address to his consent, the secretary general against ultimate excess,

some progress has been made. so for instance, this week, the new announcements over the next edition of the person elected to the p k. k, again, this is good for the fight against terrorism, but also good for sweetness efforts to find the organized crime is read because these groups i want video links to the same people collecting oregon's crime in, in, in sweden that are responsible for the types of options in the, in the, in seen in judy is a non resident senior fellow at the foundation for the defense of democracies as an export on turkish domestic politics and foreign policy. a welcome to the w. before the recent tax presidential election, people were 2nd president owed one was blocking swedish entry to native to boost easy election prospects while he won. so what do you think the hold up still is? so that's what a lot of people are wondering right now. um, that's what this government is making notes the secret by saying that the swedish

government is not helping. and so by producing more p k, k process to avoid and being continuing to be represent on extra died seeing a number of individuals that are supposedly or allegedly affiliated with the p k k . but it also coincides with the p k. k itself, unilaterally declaring that it will be ending in cease fire, which is temporarily put in place during the course of february. so there's a whole confidence of things going on. but at this point, i don't expect at least up until they've given me a summit of alternate. so coming out for turkey to ratify. so perhaps i would want to explain it to once again, playing a game that wants to keep everybody guessing what it does. it's starting to look like in order to move this forward, this is going to be on sweden to decide how much it's willing to compromise itself morally, in order to achieve this nature membership. cuz that's exactly it. so look,

you know, sweden has brought protection for association on individual freedoms, so long as that on silent and turkey is basic. he said that's not good enough, but we, we want you to take action. it said to stop these little p k. k sort of process going on with slacks lying around them, some projects down to the sweet spot in the building. we also want you to expedite people back to, to keep the basic me without any to process. if we are to say yes, that's essentially the position that's working that line. and it's also the position that basically says, despite the amount of pressure being put on add on by nato officials as well as the united states to ratify. so we know that he's not as heard in a rush that he's kind of comfortable just waiting this out. um, you know, there is a side of me which things that he may have enjoy this out even further beyond the, beyond the somebody who doesn't approve it basically until the local sections of, of, of may 2024 because i don't want to is interested in winning these local actions took these big cities like a stumble, anchor, etc,

from the opposition hands. and he's not going to be able to do that by essentially with southern and he cannot make mistakes that voters will buy into simply because, you know, turkeys interest rates are about to go up. i know 30 minutes is about to come in. so either one could continue to use this sort of ronnie around the 5 message if he wants to try for support, but we'll have to see. so this, i appreciate was speculation, but this could be the one thing he can still hold onto just a little look, this is me defending touch. he's in stress. so if you look at the other side of that equation, then and look at the sweet and it could it be, but sweden then doesn't join nato, but instead just science, a series of a bilateral mutual defense agreements. so i think that's a scenario to sweden, which is to avoid and understand to be so i mean look, you know, it is on the stand to be worried and you know, does not want to be on the these, this crosses or the gluten government bearing down upon it, particularly because it is, you know, it's all basic barriers for succession to nato has been sort of pushed past with

the exception of the circle check. we have sense to its membership. so it's, it is, it is a fixation. it is a focus of sweden's attention. it was not wants to settle for that. and also there will be a considerable amount of pressure to be, uh, diplomatic pressure being private searcy by the united states and other western government. but also 13 wishes to acquire new fine to planes from the united states . and part of the condition, even though it's not on a personal condition, will be that without it took excepting sweeties. and swedish membership, and they won't get those ethics and gets from the, from america. so there's a lot riding on this. but look at along, you know, by denying swedish membership. this really plays well with her, these domestic a position as well as terms who live in europe. you know, terms basically look at, i don't want to say look, well, you know, he defends our on our, all the integrity and the, and the, the image authority visa view west sense we're in positions and they kind of like that. so we just really necessary to have that much to lose in short time, but he would like to get his hands on some of the new defense acquisitions as soon

as possible. that's very clear. thank you for outlining that for assessing and judy of the foundation for the defense of democracies. thank you. it makes the quick line of football. prosecute development has confirmed the deposit of stein mid field that jude bothering him. after months of speculation about his future, he'll join spanish jobs around madrid. binding them quickly became of fun favorites endorsement. after arriving 2020 from his boyhood club bmw city after natalie missing out on the bundles vega title, i'm in las vegas. the final season in germany. belgium is now headed to madrid for an initial fee of around a $103.00 medium euros, rising to potential $130000000.00, subject to performance based bonuses, being things and international still just 19 years of age were old and their own business. the day is almost done,

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