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discussions. the my name is melissa chan. thanks for joining us for the 1st time since 2018. a high level us diplomat visit staging, secretary of state antony blinking. primary goal is to simply re establish better lines of communication and what has become a tense relationship. the white house expects few deliverables and have set low expectations. given the 2 countries differences over trade, taiwan and ukraine, among many other issues, lincoln's trip has been tough to make happen. washington had postponed the visit following the chinese spied balloon debacle earlier this year. you'll remember the balloon had floated for more than a week across the united states, leaving a trail of breathless american media coverage along its path to earlier today

blinking match with one e. the country's top diplomat, one was hawkish, no surprises. they're saying china has no room to compromise on taiwan and on relations with the u. s, he had this to say according to a read out from chinese state media quote. it's necessary to make a choice between dialogue and confrontation, co operation or conflict, and quote, blinking then wrapped up the day with his most important meeting, one that was on certain until the very last moment, face time with shooting pain, direct engagement, and sustained communication senior levels is the best way to responsibly match. i insist and ensure that competition does not deer into conflict. and i heard the same from my chinese counterparts. we both agree on the need to stabilize our relationship. well, journalist bob in questionnaire is engaging and gives us his assessment of the talks and what they can achieve given that us china relations are at such a low point. what much in terms of um diplomatic breakthroughs?

no, that's really unrealistic right now. but i mean, the, the best possible outcome would be to prevent a catastrophic end, or the escalade or at least stop the escalation spiral. and for that communication is essential. it's, it's uh, the precondition. and yesterday, at least up lincoln had 7 and a half hours of talks with the chinese for him, and it's the same gun and both sides describe it as a, quote, unquote, candid and open. so i think there was a cautiously optimistic sign, but of course on all the major disputed topics, the tray for the um, uh, the human rights violation, etc. there are no um, any that's really not a single inch of of progress, but at least it's coming occasion that that's important to prevent any further escalation is joining us as andrew small senior trans atlantic fellow at the german marshall fund. good to see you again, and you and the techs are flying in with people analyzing everything from how

blinking was greeted when his plane landed it to the readouts issued by both sides . and the latest, of course, is that the secretary of state did secure that meeting with a shooting team. what are your initial thoughts on things? i to be most of what we've seen so far as what was anticipated. i think if the meetings had gone exceptionally badly with long in ching gang, then we might not have the meeting with, with seating thing, but i think it was anticipated that this would go ahead. as was the case of blinking at being that when the visit was originally scheduled. and i think some of the readouts from the meetings on the chinese side, send me the chain gang meeting was monitoring me more constructive than i think people might have hoped full. but in the end on this, this was a very, very low expectations visit. but hasn't been, you know, despite some of the times about the protocol on, on how he was received, this wasn't a sort of humiliation visit. this was a visit to re establish contact between the 2 sides. the positions have been pretty

clearly spelled out in advance. the still efforts on the chinese and essentially, particularly in the read that as we've seen from the, the want a meeting, essentially to say that was the fault for the deterioration bilateral relations lies on the us side. we'll see what emerges from the meeting with which she didn't ping who has caused a particular with his remarks in march made clear that he now sees united states as in the west. as in settling and suppressing china, it was unusual for him to to say this so publicly. so the time on this is, is still pretty critical, a negative. but this was basically a re established contacts. re establish the capacity to have at least normal transactions between the 2 sides. again, they've been significantly price and it will cost away for some of the future. visits from other cabinet secretaries and possibly for she didn't take himself to the apec meeting. so i think so finding

a great surprises me and that's something on journal of 5 and crush me or just mentioned expectations being set pretty low question. should 2 countries ever meet just for the sake of meeting, even if there are no major outcomes? my name, is it just for the sake of a meeting set of exchanges? i mean, i think the whole host of issues that the 2 sides need to be able to transact on co operate on at least 2 to each other, communicate with each other. some of the bilateral issues, whether is tend to no huge trade relationship between the 2 sides. a sudden issues relating to specific americans in, in, in the country that i think a less public and, but then on the global issues side, again, even if the 2 sites on corporate things they need to talk about them. at least they need to talk about russia they need so product, debt relief and the developing well, these just areas in which the 2 sites have to transact with each other

a different way. so a, this is a context where even if the 2 sides are going to be in a period of intense competition, confrontation, rivalry, there is still going to be errors in which they need to communicate a lot of those channels that essentially broken down, which is not even to touch on the question of the military channels between the 2 sides and the need to ensure at least some level of neutral reassurance. the situation between the 2 sides. speed it'd be taiwan in particular, is not going to escalate. so i think without a big, big outcomes and big takeaways from, from the meeting, i think we still value and then being able to go through each of us. do you have a sense of how the asian region, uh china is neighbors are reacting to the visit. i think there'd be no hope from the neighbors. there always is the 2 sides can manage that relationship relatively responsibly. i think the have been consensus from some assets and

junctures about the relationship slightly spinning out of control. i think that i've been assuaged a little bit, but i think the fact that i'm off to the bali summit, the 2 sides within not able to go ahead with this trip from blinking following the chinese spike balloon incident. i think still being some consensus from, from naples to the management this relationship is in a difficult spot. and although there, even some of most critically minded neighbors want to ensure that the, this relationship you know, is heading in the direction in which the us is hauled balancing in the region. i think they still want the 2 sides to be able to do with each other effectively in various areas of chinese diplomats have been on a tear lately getting around the world. many meetings in many countries uh, the premier, the town is in berlin right now. head of a major summit on tuesday here, meeting the german president among others. and i want to play remarks from castle f

shows about how germany views its relationship with china. this indeed, and that's why we have and could this in a national security strategy. and it will also be reflective in germany strategy regarding china. it's language that says very clearly, but we don't want the coupling. we won't be risking the risk if that's beyond the chinese integration into the global economy. should also not being paid about, we have to pay attention to the security issues that face. and andrew, the view from europe is the german view about the risk being something commonly shared across the continent. the and this different views on how to define the risking. but i think the concept is pretty wide shed. i think the sense is there, we're still going to be a large scale economic relationship with china. germany, of course,

lots of them said in other countries, but the japan, the united states, everyone is going to maintain some scale of, of economic relationship with, with china. but they're going to be certain areas in which, particularly when it comes to rule materials. generally, when it comes to just re balancing supply chains, diversifying to the markets and to certain extent as the click into that, a few areas of sensitive technology transfers least of this, i think most can agree that the needs to be some balancing undertaken am some level of the risking and i think the stronger definitions from, from some to see, particularly with southern german companies, a deepening of, of risk in the exposure to the, the chinese market. i think there's a view from some, including probably schultz himself, that in such an economic areas, the 2 sides even need to be increasing economic ties. and i think there's others including other parts of the german government. the thing that this is

a misplaced view and the risking approach needs to be a more comprehensive one. i think the general concept is one that everyone has some settling around, even if those factors taking place on how expensively to define it. can you tell us a little bit more about this upcoming meeting? i understand it's primarily business based. is that the case a it's a is a mean. this is these by natural govern. exchange has to be taking place for some time a, b, c. they've been on hiatus for a while as a result of the pandemic. they've always been a little bit contentious because they all these kind of sweeping exchange is taking place with a lot of ministers in town. it's an unusual format. it's not one of the european countries have it once upon a time it, it may be mayor of what you've had with the united states and the strategic and economic dialogue in its, in its sweep. but what was my,

what has these kinds of exchanges with, with china now, given the degree to which the relationship has moved from that move, partnership focused approach to something that as schultz and the national security strategy boost and made out has moved in a more competitive direction and, and why the 2 sides are explicitly framed us to stomach rivals as well. so it feels a little bit like a throw back to the monthly area. this kind of wide array of ministers coming through town. and they'll, they'll go and have to separate meetings with german business leaders as well. so i think that's been understandable kind of skepticism about this from, from various coolness is one of the reasons i think the german government, even us for the delegation on the chinese side to be padded down somewhat. i think the optics of this is certainly controversial at the time in which the risking is supposed to be the flavor of the day. and economic security is supposed to be the focus of how you are pretty balances is wider economic relationship with,

with china. andrew small, thank you so much for joining us. shop the right to that's. that's it. for today's program, there's always more on our website and on social media. thanks for watching. we'll see you tomorrow and good by the f b i c i a and most such have been for 20 years. the song b, a k, a tom lee, the most dangerous time we fund way was sort of the as we say,

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shaping the pears air show. and production of climate really heat pumps is more than heating up across europe. and that has benefits for countries like poland as vakio seemed barely in berlin. welcome to our show, and we'd begin here in germany where us base chip maker intel assigned off on plans to invest 30000000000 euros in the country as part of a new chip production facility of a deal for a factory in the city of monta bar. it includes $10000000000.00 euros in german started subsidies. entail is the latest ship makers to take advantage of the east east funding rules for producers of the critical components of europe. aims for more independence from asian manufacturers entails also planning new facilities in poland and france. but while germany is celebrating, intel's big investment, the past year has seen more and more questions rise to the countries general attractiveness for investment, both domestic and foreign. and that's the problem for all of europe. after all, germany, france, and.