this is a reminder about top story is our us secretary of state, down to me blinking has met china as president, cheese, and pick on a visit to beijing aimed at common tensions between the 2 powers. both sides agreed on the need to stabilize relations unable well the use of the top of the awesome but as a child has dw, use asia in just a good the very want to know what makes the gym to just been loved about anything except for away from but i'm not even allowed to go to my own car and everyone was later holes in every single day stuff. getting you ready to meet the gentleman enjoying me,

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discussions. the . my name is melissa chant, thanks for joining us for the 1st time since 2018. a high level us diplomat visit staging. secretary of state and he blinked his primary goal is to simply re establish better lines of communication and what has become a tense relationship. the white house expects few deliverables and have set low expectations. given the 2 countries differences over trade, taiwan and ukraine, among many other issues, lincoln's trip has been tough to make happen. washington had postponed the visit following the chinese by balloon debacle earlier this year. you'll remember the balloon had floated for more than a week across the united states, leaving a trail of breathless american media coverage along its path. earlier today,

blinking met with one e, the country's top diplomat, one was hawkish, no surprises there, saying china has no room to compromise on taiwan. and on relations with the us, he had this to say, according to a read out from chinese state media, quote. it's necessary to make a choice between dialogue and confrontation, co operation or conflict, and quote, blinking then wrapped up the day with his most important meeting, one that was on certain until the very last moment, face time with shooting pain, a direct engagement and sustained communication to senior levels is the best way to responsibly match. i insist and ensure that competition does not dere into conflict . and i heard the same from my chinese counterparts. we both agree on the need to stabilize our relationship. well, journal a spot in questionnaire is engaging and gives us his assessment of the talks and what they can achieve given that us china relations are at such a low point. what much in terms of, um, diplomatic breaks is no,

that's really unrealistic right now. but i mean the, the best possible outcome would be to, um, yeah, prevent a cut, this real fee and all the escalate or at least stop the escalation spiral. and for that communication is essential. it's, it's uh, the precondition. and yesterday, at least uh, blinking heads um 7 and a half hours of talks with um, the chinese for him and it's the same gun and both sides describe it as a, quote unquote, candid and open. so i think there was a cost has to be optimistic signed, but of course on all the major disputed topics. the trade for the um, uh, the human rights violations, etc. there are no um, any that's really not a single inch of of progress. but at least it's communication and that's important to prevent any further escalation. joining us is andrew small senior trans atlantic fellow at the german marshall fund. good to see you again. and you and the techs are flying in with people analyzing everything from how blinking was greeted when

his plane landed it to the readouts issued by both sides. and the latest, of course, is that the secretary of state did secure that meeting with the shooting team. what are your initial thoughts on things? i most of what we've seen so far as what was anticipated. i think if the meetings had gone exceptionally badly with long in ching gang, then we might not have the meeting with with eating pain, but think it was anticipated that this would go ahead. as was the case of blinking of being that when the visit was originally scheduled. and i think some of the readouts from the meetings on the chinese side. suddenly the chain gang meeting was monitoring the more constructive than i think people might have hoped full. but in the end on this, this was a very, very low expectations visit, but hasn't been, you know, despite some of the times about the protocol on, on how he was received. this wasn't the sort of humiliation visit. this was a visit to re establish contacts between the 2 sides. the positions have been

pretty clearly spelled out in advance. the still efforts on the chinese and essentially, particularly in the read that as we've seen from the long e meeting, essentially to say that was the fault for the deterioration bilateral relations lies on the us side. we'll see what emerges from the meeting with which she didn't ping who has cost picky with his remarks in march made clear that he now sees united states as on the west. as in settling and suppressing china, it was unusual for him to say this publicly. so the title of this is, is still pretty critical, a negative. but this was basically a re establish contacts, re establish the capacity to have at least normal transactions between the 2 sides . again, i've been significantly fresh and it will cost the way for some of the future, visits from other cabinet secretaries and possibly 4 season thing himself to the apec meeting. so i think so finding

a great surprises and that's something on journal of 5 in crush. we're just mentioned, expectations being set pretty low questions. should 2 countries ever meet just for the sake of meeting, even if there are no major outcomes? my name is it just to the sake of a meeting set of exchanges? i mean, i think the whole host of issues, the 2 sides need to be able to transact on this is already come up, right? at least talk to each other, communicate with each other, some of the bilateral issues, whether is tend to know huge trade relationship between the 2 sides. a sudden issues relating to specific americans in, in, in the country the, i think a less public and, but then on the global issues side, again, even if the 2 sites on corporate things they need to talk about them. at least they need to talk about russia they need. so product that release and the developing, well these are just areas in which the 2 sites have to transact with each other

a different way. so a, this is a context where even if the 2 sides are going to be in a period of intense competition, confrontation, rivalry, there is still going to be areas in which they need to communicate. and a lot of those channels that essentially broken down, which is not even touched on the question of the military channels between the 2 sides and the need to ensure at least some level of mutual reassurance. the situation between the 2 sides, these it'd be taiwan in particular, is not going to escalate. so i think without a big, big outcomes and big takeaways from, from the meeting i think was still value and then being able to go through each of us. do you have a sense of how the asian region, uh china is neighbors are reacting to the visit. i think there'd be no hope from the neighbors. there was this, the 2 sides can manage that relationship relatively responsibly. i think the have

been consensus from some assets and junctures about the relationship slightly spinning out of control. i think that i've been assuaged a little bit, but i think the fact that i'm off to the bali summit, the 2 sides within not able to go ahead with this trip from blinking following the chinese spy balloon incident. i think still being some consensus from from naples that the management of this relationship is in a difficult spot. and although there, even some of most critically minded neighbors want to ensure that the, this relationship you know, is happening in the direction in which the us is how balancing in the region. i think they still want the 2 sides to be able to do with each other effectively in various areas of chinese diplomats have been on a tear lately getting around the world. many meetings in many countries uh, the premier, the town is in berlin right now. head of a major summit on tuesday here, meeting the german president among others. and i want to play remarks from castle f

shows about how germany views its relationship with china. this indeed, and that's why we have and could this in a national security strategy. and it will also be reflective in germany strategy regarding china. it's language that says very clearly, but we don't want the coupling. we want the risk and the risk if that's the and the chinese integration into the global economy should also not being paid about. we have to pay attention to the security issues that face. and andrew, the view from europe is the german view about the risk being something commonly shared across the continent. is this different views on how to define the risking? but i think the concept is pretty wide me shed. i think the sense is there were still going to be a large scale economic relationship with china. germany, of course, lots of them said in other countries, but the japan,

um the united states, everyone is going to maintain some scale of, of economic relationship with, with china. but they're going to be certain areas in which, particularly when it comes to rule materials. generally, when it comes to just leave balancing supply chains, diversifying to the markets and to a certain extent, as the click into that, a few areas of sensitive technology transfers least on this, i think most can agree that the needs to be some balancing undertaken am some level of the risking and i think the stronger definitions from, from some to see, particularly with southern german companies, a deepening of, of risk in the exposure to the, the chinese market. i think there's a view from some, including probably schultz himself, that incessant economic areas. the 2 sides even need to be increasing economic ties and i think there's others including other parts of the german government. the

thing that this is a misplaced view, and the d risking approach needs to be a more comprehensive while, i think the general concept is one that everyone has some settling around, even if those factors taking place on how expensively to define it. can you tell us a little bit more about this upcoming meeting? i understand it's primarily business based. is that the case a it's a is a mean. this is these by natural govern. exchange has to be taking place for some time a, b, c. they've been on hiatus for a while as a result of the 10 demik. they've always been a little bit contentious because they all these kind of sweeping exchange is taking place with a lot of ministers in town. it's an unusual format. it's not one of the european countries have it once upon a time, it did maybe mirror of what you had with the united states and the strategic and economic dialogue in its, in its sweep. but almost everyone has these kinds of exchanges with,

with china now, given the degree to which the relationship has moved from that move, partnership focused approach to something that as schultz and the national security strategy, i will certainly doubt has moved in a more competitive direction. and, and why the 2 sides are explicitly framed us to stomach rivals as well. so it feels a little bit like a throw back to the monthly area, this kind of wide array of ministers coming through town. and they'll, they'll go and have to separate meetings with jim and business leaders as well. so i think there's been understandable kind of skepticism about this from, from various going is one of the reasons i think the german government, even us for the delegation on the chinese side to be pat down somewhat. i think the optics of this has certainly controversial at the time in which the risking is supposed to be the flavor of the day. and economic security is supposed to be the focus of how you are pretty balances is wider economic relationship with,

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