dell con the, the former soviet union in the united states at the height of the cold war, agreed to set up a hotline between moscow in washington to thinking a phone call would be the quickest way to prevent a misunderstanding from much rooming into accidental nuclear war. went out, washington would like to have be seen on speed dial, but china has already shown it isn't always willing to pick up what if it doesn't answer. next time i bring golf and berlin. this is the day the we both degree on the need to stabilize our relationship. generally speaking, the 2 sides have had candid and in depth discussions. my over documentation is we

will have better communications. the 2 sides have also made progress and reached agreement on some specific issues. it is critical to doing what we both agree is necessary and that is responsibly matters and the relationship. this is very good also coming up when the pandemic began 3 years ago, germany in china bit plans for more economic and business ties on hope of aging is ready for a restart. but berlin may be thinking more along the lines of reset the risk and the risk in yes, the coffee coupling. no, i don't know totally because that you have and chinese government consultations are taking place tomorrow. i would like to have this formula explicitly applies to china. as well well,

to our viewers watching on tv as in the united states and to all of you around the world. welcome. we begin today with a threat to peace. when to powers stop talking. us secretary of state entity blinking, just wrapped up a visit to china and his mission to stop the free hole in bilateral relations between the world's 2 largest economies. now we can match monday with chinese president, she's in pain and both agreed that bilateral relations need improving. which one is military might, it continues to grow in with the acute risk of conflict, intentional or not. with us forces, especially over taiwan. one remedy could be a direct line of communication between the pentagon and china is military command. but blinking says that idea was rejected despite the cordial tone, which did take a list state to state interactions should always be based on mutual respect and sincerity. i hope that through this visit

mister secretary, you will make more positive contributions to stabilizing china, us relations. in every meeting, i stress that direct engagement and sustain communication to senior levels is the best way to responsibly match our differences and ensure that competition does not dear into conflict. and i heard the same for my chinese counterparts. we both agree on the need to stabilize our relationship. so whenever you now they're in hot bunch here at the big table, he is the director of external relations at the cato institute for china studies. it's good to have you back on the program. i want to start just by getting your read on the fact that the us secretary and state had a meeting face to face with the chinese president today. and it was a very odd meeting because she didn't being set at the head of the table. and i believe, okay, and the big with, just like, like a big boss is. yeah,

the set thing that, of course, was diplomatically the key. assign off how the chinese look at the lincoln's visit . they burned keen to have him in the 1st place. the us pushed for him to come before the chinese get to talk to the commerce secretary, the invoice on climate. so that was the dates of their return volley the before blinking left for his trip. he said that his main goal was to improve communication between the 2 countries. i want to talk get your assessment on that, but i want you to take a listen to what he said earlier. so i think um, it's absolutely vital that we have these kind of communications military military that imperative i think was only um, underscored by recent incidents that we saw in the air and on the seas. and at this moment, china is not agree to move forward with that. i think that's an issue that we have

to keep working on. it is very important that we restore those channels. yeah, we can thing right there. we need to restore those channels. it's saying that there really wasn't any appetite for doing that in beijing. so how precarious is the security situation right now between these 2 countries? well, that's a very dangerous situation to be in these 2 big super powers that in a potential military conflict that at this moment decide ones. but this chinese site has really taken away some of the god rails that existed and blink and try to re install those. and the chinese said, well, not for now. and we know in the past the i think it depending on the us defense secretary is tried to reach is chinese counterpart and they in china, they didn't answer the phone. you think that sends a signal, doesn't it?

just the chinese signal has been we refuse contact if we don't like it. and that's been the development over the last years. that of course, worries the us a lot. it shows how time it looks at the wills. now, much more assertive, much more self confident, at least that's the image that they want to portray. but they also look at the us china conflict as that's how they put it in unsolvable conflict. and that really defines the whole will to you at the moment. what does it tell us to about the power structure that has been constructed around she's in pain? and is he the only person who can, as we sold today, who can speak for china and military leaders? are they now at the point where they don't want to speak with their us counterparts? because it a week, it only counts what the man at the top says. she has an installed system where he

is the single point of making major decisions. he's also the single poet point of failure and he's made some very bad decisions in the past. and he's installed the climate of fear amongst the senior leadership that it's very dangerous to move outside the offer. so she didn't think so speak ideology direction. so let me can we say that there is a climate of fear now in the upper echelons of the communist party. i'm quite sure that's not how they would have a bright colors by looking at it and judging from different systems. it's very uncomfortable system to be and because they're under a lot of pressure that they can fail easily. but they have to listen to the big box, this device standby, we're going to come back and even just a moment we want to ship now from chinese american relations to trying these german

ties. are we talking about a restart or a reset? is our international edge of richard walker with more the big day in the lynn full of schultz and a gaggle of his talk ministers on failing germany's new national security strategy . the message, the world is getting more dangerous and germany needs to respond to me as much for the 1st time in our country's history, we have thrown up and national security strategy. thoughts on the a, representation of ukraine was a huge shock to the system for germany. there's another shop, the shaking the political class here in belin, just as much. but show that it's not quite say something with this so big that it will soon get a strategy paper all of a time. this one is all about china. she, jim ping has stopped by vladimir putin despite the war. and man, he's cooled, his best friend. it kind of thing that getting closer and this is driving

home some hard realities about she's china, it's double down. no, no thorough terry and power repricing freedom, some home comb and minority rights. and she and jane is threatening to attack taiwan and assessing military dominance of the south china sea and dangerous near misses in the region of adding to fetus of war between china and united states. germany's most important allies, germany is not alone and worrying about all of this. who will makes it even harder, isn't germany going so deep with china in the last decade in the hospital. so the 2 sides build an incredibly close, almost symbiotic relationship. now the practice of showing, showing that became germany's top trade in con, for years in a row. but the pen demik show that supply chains could break down and a crisis german cock companies became addicted to china is exploding market. now

showing these rifles, the threatening to beat them and the electric cause, the chinese tech got stuck in to sensitive gem and infrastructure. now that seen as a security risk, one of this present spelling with some really tough di lemme is about how to rethink the relationship with china and inside the government. here, there are different views. here's a case in point. china is states and shipping john costco, for to stay can a terminal in the handbook hub. germany's most important port, a foreign minister and the babel can vice chancellor. robert, hi, back. what i do mostly against saying this would give china too much sway of a critical infrastructure. but while i've sold over volt them is chancellor. the us is keen to rally its allies to a common approach to the source of decisions. and at the g 7 summit this year, they all agreed they should de risk their relations with badging. the step back

from the, the coupling the most who case voices were calling for. but what's a risk and what's not a risk? well, that's open to interpretation. the indications are that all of cells has a fairly narrow definition of what the risking is. i think for him it's mainly about reducing dependencies, ensuring that supply chains are resilient. i think the, the message from the chance to re so far has been that they don't want to rock the boat. i think germany is going through some difficult economic times. and there isn't a great deal of appetite for uh uh for confronting china. schultz tried to work baseline on his 1st trip to the aging late last year. speaking now it's about tensions in the relationship well stressing the need to cooperate on global issues

like climate change and mingled among the diplomats. he brought a squad of gem and ceos with him to tool business. so seeing that report, it distorts me, ask you when the former german chest went on going miracle. when she left the office, she admitted to having been somewhat naive about germany's chinese policy. how much has jeremy policy that how much has it changed since she left office or has it changed? it is changing. part of that is because the new government has realized that the drum and china policy fit, it will not goes 1st. you as an office, but not the changes afterwards. and what has changed everything is of course, like in so many fields, the will in ukraine and china being very supportive of russia that has for those who never wanted to understand. but systemic rivalry is about yeah,

that really drove home the point that china being and rushes can really extends the will and leads to a will. that is very different from the younger america or the of well, the courage, a chance to oh, of shields. what do you make of him using the term that we're hearing a lot in washington? now the risking, instead of the coupling from showing the is, is he basically just doing what he knows he's gonna have to do with that's follow the us lead. steve, risking, i think, is a good term at the same time. it's a very elastic turn. the coupling meant really bringing down connections really sifting through them and seeing what works and what doesn't, doesn't, your skin can basically mean anything. so it takes a little pressure out of it. i think, well enough choice is very careful if he didn't want the german trying to strategy to be published before the government consultations that show was that he really doesn't want to risk anything that i'm trying to is a very iris political game. the us,

it clearly sees the issues of taiwan and ukraine as being, fortunately linked to the french president macro and you'd have, he generated a lot of controversy by saying, you know, we need to, we need to have our own policies here. we, europe needs to do with its own thing. where are we with that right now? i loved the chinese. what say that ukraine and tie one, i'm not linked at all. they totally separate issue is we see of course, that this very many geopolitical similarities. but germany was on way either. right . is it the same boat as france? it's gone that i think what became clear often my cost statements, which were not very wise and gave me back tracked on those is that of course the conflict and tie one would be a huge problem for your to. it's not it distant region as about calling said, it's very close this open to link through the chip industry,

but also through just global stability, trade routes, and so on. so the timeline is it is really over the issue in the supply chains, restructuring them. but for, for national security means that doesn't happen over night. we're talking about something that will, that will take, but a decade or 2 to accomplish right. for germany as well as for the us. oh yes, totally be totally looking at globalization, how it used to be and how it might work in a world where the us and china are really at loggerheads and both stay it longer have for the next decades to come. and that is really going to reshape a world in very many, very, very costly way. yeah, i think you are correct there. mr. mark is always, it's good to see you. it's good to get your insights on this. uh, it's important to a lot of people around the world. thank you. thank you. or the, the jailed russian opposition leader alexis development has gone on trial. yet again, this time extreme is in charge. is that good?

see him in prison. for decades, the trial is taking place at a maximum security prison where the criminal credit has already serving a 9 year sentence for alleged fraud. investigators now accuse him of creating in financing an extreme is for but some of the vaal and he's most vocal supporters. they have not been deterred the news. caught up with one of the protests in russia always seem to end with images like this. the demonstrators who took to the streets to celebrate i'll explain of viney birthday this month. already knew they would probably if getting yellow stuff panko was one of them. she took them off gals, red square to call for freedom for political prisoners. the 27 year old was arrested and spent the night in jail for her to for it. if not binding. she was lucky to get away with an administrative fine. yeah. for the word excel, i suppose the next in a valley because i think he's a politician. he's prepared to,

to openly and honestly about the problems in our country. problems like corruption, the lack of democratic change in russia's leadership on people's living conditions . god, god, my brother, he's sick leave, gave me of course and started supporting i look sane of vine, the after watching his corruption investigations, international politicians online by me book looting the viral video about what he may have put in some legit policies. alex, a not binding has been in prison since 2021 on charges many believe are politically motivated. this year, his lawyers have complained that he's often held in solitary confinement and has been suffering from severe health problems. rushed investigators have now opened further cases accusing the politician of extremism and terrorism. the authorities have made any association with him, dangerous experts say just yesterday with your an active supporter of alex and yvonne the for example, someone who takes pots and protests, you could end up in jail the day after you go out and demonstrate over what was

comfortable and if you're at support, uh and you post something on social media that has anything to do with alexis devante, that means the authorities and security services who are monitoring russian citizens . what have you on that right uh. and any misstep on your pods will be enough to get to into trouble. nobody's just almost a with as much to we've got to just put the lenient if gave me the pin code never worked in a bind these offices or for his anti corruption foundation, which is both already been labeled extremist. but she knows that the authorities are watching supporters like for 250 and he had tended to protest back in 2021 and was detained later. police said they found her using more skills, network of facial recognition cameras. you have one you was, i don't plan to stop expressing my political opinion. you. i plan to talk about it bravely, honestly and openly. because i want to prove that bodies possible or i have rights that are outlined in the russian constitution. those rights guarantees. and the

government cannot deprive me of them, especially most players underneath the veneer of normality. stories like gifts, guineas are being repeated across russia. the kremlin has been cracking down on all critical voices, especially since launching the full scale war and ukraine. making fear part of the fabrics of everyday life. hello makers in the you. k have approved an official report that found that former prime minister boys johnson deliberately misled or lied to parliament about the parties that were held during the code with 19 locked down. you may remember, johnson gave up his seat in parliament when the findings were announced. here is the leader of the house, the masses because the integrity of our institutions, massa and the respect and trust, afford it to the masses. this has real world consequences for the accountability of

members of parliament to each other and the members of the public. they represent real world consequences beyond the u. k. let's try and open up the story and compare what's happening there with what's happening in the united states. to do that, i'm drawing tonight by greg swinson. he hits the group republicans overseas in the u. k. right. it's good to have you on the program. is this a victory for common decency and respect for the wall and respect for truth in politics in the u. k? yeah, i'm not sure it is. i think this, this is very much a power struggle in the party in the conservative party as opposed to the us where it says the struggle between the, the less than the right. the democrats and republicans. this is very much a power struggle in, in the conservative party. it's, and, you know, recall that it was only, you know, 2 years ago, 3 years ago that the forest johnson had a record victory in the,

in the elections and how 80 st majority. and yet you've seen so many people and as old party kind of guess themselves. it's a little different but, but there's a lot of similarities as well. and, well, let's pick up with this idea of, of a power struggle inside the conservative party. i mean, you're, you're right, he had an impressive election victory in the last 4 years, but we've also seen him, you know, basically forced to leave office, reside because his own party turned against him. what does that tell us the about the ability of the conservative party to distance itself from, from a leader that may become malignant to the party or to democracy itself? or? yeah, i don't think they can at this point and that's the tragedy of it. all. is they, there were, some was moments of somebody so much went in the sales for the conservative party in 2019 and even in early 2020. you know, obviously code was disruptive to that but, but i think that the, what's,

what's interesting to see is there's been no apologies about the lock downs. all the, all the parties are going about as you know, the hypocrisy of it. and there's plenty of that they'll get me wrong, but there's, there's really been no understanding or, or apology of what they did to this country. and that's really a shame was that wasn't, that wasn't the, the, the, the topic of the inquiry. and i'm wondering, do you think boys johnson's fall from grace here is a complete, i mean, have we seen the last of him in british politics? that's a great question and i, i don't think so. you know, he, i think he's, he has the ability to come back. i think it will take a while. there is a lot of talk that, you know, he's, he's over and done and finish. but, you know, he's a talented retail politician. i might have been a critic of him for a governing too far to the left, you know, one with a conservative majority and yet govern. like almost like

a labor minister would. but you know, so there is plenty of criticism about boris. but you can't doubt that he's a big gift retail politician. and i think that means that he over, he will always have the ability to come back. but we also have to say that he is a retail politician who is factually challenged and that that's been shown as several times. he's been called the for line to parliament and compare that to form us present. donald trump, who has now been indicted on federal criminal charges related to his handling of classified information. he remains the leading figure of the g r p. i mean, how do you explain that to people out outside the us or they are in the you k? yeah, it's just difficult to explain, of course, but i think the, the big differences here in the u. k. it's, it's, the party is having a power struggle within the party. whereas in the us, it's less versus writers,

democrats versus republicans. it's the, the inner circle of washington and, you know, in some ways to weapon as asian of the justice department in other or do you have parts of the bureaucracy in washington that are attacking trump? but not just trump? is it attacking republicans in general? i think that will change in the next 6 months as you see it, a bit of a to me during the, during the campaign with, with republicans running against each other. right. for the nomination. i think you'll see a little bit of difference but, but right now it is definitely left versus right as opposed to here in the you can elizabeth, let me just ask you truth in politics. where does it lie more this evening? in the u. k. of the tory party or in the us g o p. yeah, well i take it in, in the tory party, they're having difficulty with the truth. there's, there's no doubt that you know,

that prime minister johnson has had some difficult of that as president trump. i think what you'll see in the us is an emergence of a new generation of republicans that are actually telling the truth all the time. present as a problem with hyperbola, there's no doubt about it. and i think that maybe maybe perhaps the electorate is growing tired of that. and you'll see whether it's rod census or nikki haley or mike pants or tim scott. and you'll see a different, a different republican party. the next 6 or 12 months. yeah, well, either left or right as long as we can stick to the truth with all the parties. i think everyone would be in agreement that that would be best for everyone. right. so what i think would be great. yeah, and you'll see if you're seeing from the left in the us is right around the way i'm gonna have to interrupt. we're at we're out of time unfortunately, but i appreciate you joining us tonight and come back again and talk with this again. thank you. we'll just, thanks

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