it is only just practice at the naval base and will clock 7 months before russia attacked ukraine. a field team documents, daily life, the town. how are the people who are dealing with the growing tensions they change their world frame hold on? we are with you currently know when i me insight starts july 8th on dw, it's almost half a trillion dollars according to the world bank that will be the cost of rebuilding ukraine after one year of the russian invasion with every passing week, month and year. the price tag will only get bigger, so who will pay or who will invest at a conference in london today. the u. k. prime minister said rebuilding ukraine is

a huge investment opportunity fee, high tech, not high costs. just one of the many plans that are already in motion for a ukraine post war. that remains a country very much at more brit golf and berlin. this is the day, the building you frame building when building russia is causing your brains, destruction and russia will eventually bear the cost of your brains reconstruction . together, we are by ukraine side to hold a long hold. our support on the battlefield be owned, not to be helped law states, ukraine's incredible spirit will prevail. we are united in defiance and we will be united in recovery and also coming up in the as

prime minister in the venture mode. he will address the us congress this week. he's expected to push for even closer ties with america thinks in the small part to another big power. but the fact that china presents the threat that we need to collaborate on. i think that brings the 2 leaders together more than anything between the different operating styles or political bases. which overview is watching and cbs in the united states and to all of you around the world. welcome. we begin to day planning and paying for a ukraine that doesn't exist yet. today in london, delegates from 6 the countries came together at the conference on rebuilding ukraine, the world bank and the government. and keep, say that after one year of the russian invasion, reconstruction costs will run more than $400000000000.00. now that amount already seems too low with the war now. firmly, and it's 2nd year. ukraine says that it will need

a 21st century marshal plan. how much of the money will come from the european union in the us, but many wester, lawmakers, they have promised to use frozen russian assets to foot. part of this built ukraine's allies agreed that the reconstruction effort will be the largest year in europe since the end of the 2nd world war. and they agree that reconstruction should start before not after the war has come to it. now. it has been called europe's new market plan, the largest in key construction project on the continent since world war 2 and a fundraising conference in london, you clean spreads and says there's more to it than just bricks and mortar and biased all the walls or alternate sauce as well presently brandon, exactly as freedom disorder, we window come from, i know more about us. all the world is wanting to see if we will restore normal

concerns and we are that our confirmation with that. and i was calling to see on a rest, to the host of the conference announced you get back in for you create to the tune of 3000000000 phones with this and everything that we do here. we all sending a message that our support on the battlefield and beyond cannot be lost it and that ukraine's incredible spirit will prevail. you commission president or is left on the land made in the b to private investors to help in the reconstruction efforts. we need the private sector to step into because it is you the private sector with your invalid viewable expertise and you'll find that for fire power that will help ukraine realize it's dreams. you are here today at this conference and we really need you. and we know we can rely on you

while the german foreign minister acquired for the need to link ukraine's recovery to it's you exception process to make recovery. it's slowly european and of the world bank estimates that the reconstruction effort would cost more than $400000000.00. i'll figure out that we're only rise as a walgreens on well, we're bringing again an associate fedex. she's an assistant professor of finance at the high school, the business at the university of california berkeley. she's also a founding member of the n g o economy. as for you create in stock, it's good to have you back here all of the day. let me ask you, um, how much money would you crane need for reconstruction if the fighting stops tomorrow or yeah, so there's several aspects here. there's a direct infrastructure damage that rushes attacks have inflicted. that's in the ballpark of about a $150000000000.00. that's already quite sizable, but of course,

that's not the entirety of the damage. the damage to the economy that has spelled over from the infrastructure law, says that totals closer to about $500000000000.00 to the market for the eventual reconstruction is roughly in that ballpark. upwards of $500.00 done. the program that is taking shape of that we saw it wasn't in conference today, is that the marshall plan that ukraine needs, as yeah. so there are several important factors in terms of the eventual reconstruction program for ukraine. and the 1st of those is how will it be coordinated? right, and i'm kind of on one extreme that could be very centralized coordination done by the federal government. so it's gonna everything fine together. on the other end of the spectrum, it can be very decentralized. and these do some of that, some pleasures from individual cities in western europe to individual of citizen ukraine. and i think either kind of end of the spectrum to potentially inefficiency

and the optimal life somewhere in between. i think it's important for individual communities in ukraine to have their needs heard to own a lot of the reconstruction process, but for their to also be some coordination so that we don't have redundancies and we don't have an efficiencies. so that brings us to the 2nd question, which is, what is the right approach for that coordination? and here i think the best approach is a tax in a crowded, separate body that will have less political incentives and a long time for verizon and to kind of overseas coordinate this effort. and from that perspective, the partial plan that was done for western europe after world war 2 was a pretty good model. and then finally, coming back to the question of ownership of the reconstruction process. as i pointed out, it's important to have the local communities on that as much as possible, but there's also a benefit to having a lot of to be in sync with the european union. so he,

us session for ukraine and reconstruction can readily go hand in hand. yeah, i don't know if if it is the finance professor i heard speaking there, or maybe the the, the, the auditor or the tax auditor speaking there when, when you were talking about tech decrypts, controlling or overseeing this martial plan? are you worried about corruption in ukraine? with that change amount of money forwarding into the country or um, so to be honest and my experience of working with an um at an end geo that has been um, coordinating a lot of things that ukraine is not at this point um in ukraine. the substitute typically to corruption is almost more to penetrating than corruption itself. people are very hyper sensitive and things sometimes can install or not get done because everybody wants to make absolutely sure that everything's kind of correct to the letter. and so i think at this point you're creating some really trying

super hard um, and maybe even a little bit too bureaucratic in that regard. so i, i would honestly say that the corruption is not my main worry, but i think that of having an institutional alignment between ukraine and the you framework. i think that would be very beneficial. the original marshall plan, it took shape after world war 2. how important is that this program before you create that it gets up and running, even as the fighting continues to be there, the end of the board is nowhere in sight. yeah, i think it is important to do it at a timely fashion for several reasons. first of all, that kind of 2 parts to ukraine's rebuilding. one is the immediate needs and one is kind of more long term re imagining and kind of reconstructing the immediate needs . i mean, ukrainians have been rebuilding from february 24th 2022. and the rest has been destroyed, civilian infrastructure, energy substations, schools, hospitals,

all of those things have been rebuilt because it continues to be being rebuilt for a year and a half. so that of course is very urgent for people to continue their lives with the economy to continue going. and so that as a support that i'm kind of ukraine has been rosa receiving um from the west on a month to month basis. so that of course is urgent now kind of turning to more long term recovery for ukraine. as you pointed out, the marshall plan took several years after the war to really take shape. and so there's definitely scope for us to be planning, implementing and starting. now i'm ready ukrainians on the front lines are the fighting their battles to lead their lives. and then what once they, when their battles and the lease that economists and investors can do is be prepared to start the process of recovery and straight away. and there's a lot that we can do already. now, in terms of fiscal policy planning, in terms of, i'm kind of institutional frameworks in terms of figuring out the financing. and so

it's not too early by any means. and then finally, i'm that we'd like to kind of point out what rushes go, and this where has been, it has been to subjugate you create. and when that doesn't work out to destroy. so we seen that on this month with the top of the guy. yeah, i, so i think kind of signally strongly that we are all prepared to do what it takes to really recover. and we bill, i think that will be a very powerful signal to russian that it strategy is not working out. the boys of reason and responsibility tonight, an associate ascetic of the high school of business associates always. we appreciate your time and your insight site thinking well, it is a huge task in the final cost is of course not. you know, not least because the country is still, as we said at war and russian forces, they continue to bomb ukraine's towns and cities almost daily are responded. sonya, following the car was outside the team to get

a picture of rebuilding efforts. she sent us this report out with the old and in with the new most of the year to go fighting it up to tier meal, keep leaving the tanya door. shank was home damaged. virginia below. usually we don't have a ceiling. it was blowing up. it was leaking everywhere, sticklers equal, or natalia can't afford to pay her whole. she says she hasn't received any government to realize entirely and volunteer as well, filling the gap. this group focuses on rebuilding destroyed, houses like the ideas across the pre, despite the huge scale of the task, the boss, who's the, in the don't boss. and in this upper region region that are in town of towns and villages that are being raised to the ground. working keith is just the drum and

the issue of them, but we need to do this. people need to live to hide it. so save a form of the psychological support, a street that this award, this of natalia is lucky. her neighbors homes on either side didn't suffice. most houses here in the village of motion, a still scarred just a few kilometers a we the tone of it'd be the scene of some of the most infamous clashes in the early weeks of the conflict. the show at the top floor as a go on the building is on the demolishing list. but the remaining residents refused to leave on the bell on takes us to show the damage caused by a direct artillery strike recording. come in, that's one slot to the other. the fire has swallowed everything. fortunately, no one died. what remains the bad a chandelier or it's ruth 3 insist the got to departments can be re but that she

knew a lot much. which is why should this building be pulled down? it's almost 70 percent occupied. most people have come back. we have furniture and flats north impacted. well, the utilities of working, all of us will have to be moved somewhere and nobody knows where we all have different ages. it's a challenge. local authorities also maybe a what? it means deputy meal says nearly 70 percent of the city was damaged last year. he says the trying to boost back, but they need more funds for him. i feel i'm going to tackle this on all right. and is impossible. is that we we need to rebuild now, less than me. so we want to bring back life to our city and the question we don't, montague, children, our residents to see ruins which remind them of the horrors of last year was a cleaning for human a little. but rebuilding in the was own isn't easy to

do. you see what's happening explosions, russian, besides repaired, by ukraine's a defense, there was really, really, i will not survive, isn't that design icon bad? that who did the cool, though ukraine's efforts to rebuild could be wiped out in an instant by a misled strike. the country is determined not to give up. the indian's prime minister and the ranger moody is in the united states on his 1st official state visit, which includes a meeting with us, president biden, and a state dinner. it will also include body addressing a joint session to the us congress on thursday. now that's an invitation that's considered a privilege and it's reserve, usually for america's closest friends and allies. but many us lawmakers will be weighing bodies words very carefully asking of themselves is mostly,

is india proud of its neutrality? and ally that the us can really count on one leads the most powerful democracy in the world, going to the other leads the largest. while the red drum moody and joe biden don't agree on everything like russia's war in ukraine, they do have a common problem. india is actually the only country that's actually had military confrontations with china and recent decades. in 2020 more than a 1000 indian soldiers were killed in clashes with chinese forces at the disputed border. on a list, expect the white house to lock in the i don't as a regional count to wait to china. the fact that china presents a threat that we need to collaborate on, i think that brings the 2 leaders together more than anything between the different operating styles or political bases. while the to have met many times, moody is just the started lead to be given the red carpet treatment by didn't,

and the hospitality is true to be followed up with deals. this is a case where i think you really are going to see the, the substance that deliverables, reflect and match all of the pomp and circumstance and symbolism of a quarter to a state visit. you know, you're going to see, you know, dozens of agreements in areas ranging from defense to space height, the higher education free speech activists. however, say moody has over seen a back slighting of democracy in india on the one by didn't to call the time. but what it wants to say is that i need the use of collaborations on trade, says social security should not quite line the discussions, but throughout some process we do. it should be part of the conversations is the observer. see any constructive criticism will be delivered privately. there is no

getting away from it. it will be discussed, but as the americans before did, would they prefer to do it behind doors with countries to have a strong box to ship with. last time moody went to the us who received a rock star reception. trump was host then, but this time it will be by didn't. who will hate that the all ticks in the head over to the indian american community. with a right and for 1000000 of them the could prove vitamin elections next year is running me here at the big table now is shumate guns really, professor of political science at indiana university in bloomington, indiana professor. it's good to have you right here on the day when you was pulling out all the stops for mr. moody. why is it? why is this visit? why is it so important to america? i think the visit is vitally important for the buying and administration. and for

america, because they see mr movie and india as a potential strategic ball work against an expansionist, an aggressive china in the asia and beyond us moody, i know he's been praised at home for insisting on neutrality when it comes to russia's invasion of ukraine. i mean, we know washington does not like this at all. i'm wondering. will mister moody, will he tell the us congress tomorrow that cheap oil from russia may not have been worth it after all? no, i sincerely doubt that team of fest. how to that before the congress instead, he will talk about shared values. he's talking about democracy is talk about a sort of a growing relationship with the united states and how the us in india

are bound together on a variety of issues and the like. he's going to simply gloss over this rather contentious matter. are you expecting anything from his speech to the us congress, to make headlines? is he going to change anything? i know i really doubt baths naulty in his character and knowing be his principal advisors. i doubt that he will make any such a dramatic shift while while addressing the us congress, you altered an article in a forward affair, has just published this week entitled, the folly of india's neutrality. in it, you write us officials, they seem to be waking up to the promises and the limits of a strong relationship with india. it is unclear where the same can be said for india and leaders. what need delhi urgently needs to realize is that there is

a narrow window to secure american support or that there's a couple of things to impact their explain, why is india not this cheerleader for ties with the us that you see? maybe you should be. and 2nd, this narrow window, how long does india have to act before it's too late? to let the onset of questions and i see quite truly the principal reason that the indians are hesitant about forthrightly throwing and a lot with the united states has to do with the legacies of the cold war. the shadows of the cold war still new, very large over new daily, largely because of the american relationship with pockets fun, which goes back as early as 19 a 54. mm hm. and consequently, the, the indian still have doubts about the reliability of the united states. even

though we are now vastly different 3 that then we would during the cold war and why, and why do i think that there's a limited window for the principal reason that the us patients will not be in finished. the u. s. has been remarkably patient with india to step up to the plate and has made major concessions to india, going back to the us, india civilian nuclear agreement of 2008, which enabled india to join normal nuclear commerce without exceeding to the new k and nonproliferation treaty, the bush administration expanded considerable political capital to make that happen . stop was 2008. we are in 2023. it's the line for india to come to the realization that america will simply turn to other countries and return to other

countries. and of course, we'll be turning everything it can to contain china. is that not present? among the leads in delhi that china is, is the enemy, if you will. oh, it's completely clear a to the, to if the significant segment of the indian italy however, all at the same time, they are show back truth 5 by china. been practically frozen in place, they fear that in explicit up strategic partnership and a robust viable strategic partnership which is out in the open will actually provoke the chinese firm. and they are on show that faced with that provocation, how the chinese will react. and more importantly,

with the u. s. then prompt to come to india assistance. well, who do they have been deterred to? russia isn't. is certainly not a now live rush is now in the pocket of she's in pain. the european union is an allied, but it does not have the power to offer a security shield the way the united states. i mean, the us really is the only game in town, isn't it? for india, that is precisely my argument of which i have made in the foreign affairs article and elsewhere that us is the only game in town. and all this talk about american decline. well, you know, there's a sense of visual about that. i've heard this before, and the us is going to remain the dominant part on in the globe for the foreseeable future. and if any one has the strategic reach to protect india, it's the united states v. i know that the blended ministration is disappointed with

india because it has, it didn't vote for example, of the human security council resolutions against the invasion of ukraine and need in the general assembly of resolution. they wanted to see the solidarity. they didn't get it from india. if india follows the path that you're advocating, can you foresee one day india standing with the united states? if china invades taiwan? so this is a particularly interesting convex question, and this will be the acid test for the indians in an acid diplomatic test. that when up the, one of the u. s. is most of vital interest is at risk. again, india then at least offered diplomatic support. and if it fails to do so, i'm afraid that india is going to use a enormous constituency in the united states,

particularly in the us congress. professor shumate guns. really, we appreciate you taking the time to come in and talk with this. we're glad that you were in berlin and that this article was published at the same time. we definitely benefit from this good coincidence. thank you. thank you very much for the day is almost done the conversation. it continues online. you can follow us on twitter or you can follow me on twitter at brink dot tv, and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see you then everybody. the

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