the pie was straight and these kinds of actions are just the actions impacting up their stores. and i believe that all those countries that i mention have a stake in the piece disability over the power straight area. and they are taking concrete actions to pick up their breakthroughs. do you not worry that by seeking washington's help, your not caught up in the rock bottom relationship between the us and china and the badging may be about to right. change out pressure on you some k to send a signal to washington. i guess the question is long as you are in danger of becoming a poor to be played by both sides. that is also a question. ask frequently in taiwan. in fact, some people here in taiwan argue that the. ready work comfortably is between the united states and china, and therefore taiwan should dodge the boys from these 2 giants. and we use stay neutral. but i think the real situation doesn't happen that way. the real situation is that high one has been pressing by china and the united states is trying to

provide support to tie one. so these are the 2 constants and we are leaving under these 2 constants. and therefore, a very important thing is what i want to continue to consolidate. ice relations with the united states on the one hand and trying to prevent war from happening on the other hand. and in our relations with china, i can assure you that the current government has been recognized internationally well being responsible player. we want to uh, maintain the piece disability in this area by maintain the status call. it is all believe that the state is close to the best interest of all parties concerned. and i think this is also. ready the policy should help by doing that is this candidate u. k major european countries. and we will continue down this path to prevent china from thinking that they can take, tie one over quickly and tie one will not serve as a pro father. but at the same time,

we will not budge to the chinese pressure. you talked about asking your full support, and you said in prob last week in order for taiwan to stay strong and resilience and to have the courage to continue the policy of maintaining the stages, quote. we do need support from our european friends that coverage that you spoke about isn't waiting list of what i think the people here in tie was. feel that the support coming from europe coming from more time. erica, coming from japan and australia and that kind of support make tie one people feel that we, i'm not a little even facing the military course and for all the chinese side, you told him, the fax is moral support. you said you're talking about moral support. more support, i think the more support is very strong and if you look at the language is coupled with some of the concrete actions that i mentioned before. i think the people feel

very confident that the international support is going to come to tie one. and in fact, it's coming to a tie, one is sufficiently with the big room that have all the companionship, the saving through low content of ships and saving through taiwan, strait and 90 percent of the most of bins sent me comes out the trips up producing tie one, i'm sure the international community will come to the realization that they will be impacted if the war is not stopped in other than that, we are also seeing many other countries taking more actions. do you think the west has been tough enough on china or you have in the past appear to blame europe in the us for not resisting home comes new security law and the trashing of human rights and civil liberties. but that came with that was put the west of done about phone call and what happened with the chinese introduce the the whole goal is that true tragedy? it happened right before our eyes that the national security law was imposed on

this place of where people used to enjoy freedom and openness and all of a sudden, all those freedom as being taken away by the chinese government. and we did not see this as an isolated case. we as also that even 2014 over at crime. yeah. and the western reaction to russia in 2014 was not strong enough. and i believe that it has a direct or indirect implication for the war to take place in ukraine and in use a shot if we are not able to take up country actions against the chinese way of doing things over hong kong. i'm sure the chinese will be encouraged to do more in the other parts of the world in this is especially in this region. if you look at the chinese actions in the east china, i see that has already gotten in japan during those. and if you look at the south, china sea is more of a west point than the power street. and therefore,

i think the international community needs to look at the chinese expansion lesson, or is imposition of voltage here in the some of these part of the world. in a more serious way, and we need to take concrete actions intending china that no, they cannot expand their impulses in this part of the world at the cost of democracy's use site events to prevail in this crisis. with china, unity is all only pop forward. but in the speech in march, your own president acknowledge serious political divisions among your people. she told the hudson institute the taiwan was split and hadn't so far decided whether it went through the relationship with china or prefer to be on its own. there isn't much time for me to i wanted to make up his mind on that issue. is that why if you look at the public opinion surveys here in it's hi one, actually we see a consensus. the consensus here in taiwan is that we don't want to be ruled by

china. the consensus here in taiwan is that we don't want to accept the one country to so as a model and putting tie one as a part of china or taiwan to stick and hong kong. the consensus here in taiwan is that we want to maintain the status, quote, the status for the pie one is that one people is running, tie one itself. the tie one is the freedom is a free and democratic country. so maintaining the state as cool. it's already a consensus here in taiwan. so if you are passing the consensus, the way you say, why is your policy, you have interest hemorrhaging support in the way it is. you did very badly and last year's local elections. you 195 out of 21 seats according to polling by the time when he's public opinion foundation. more than half a voters would not support either your party or the other major parties acquirement time in the presidential elections early next year. people are clearly disillusioned with you and your major opposition. that's down to find your

leadership, isn't that to? uh, no, i disagree. uh when we do the public opinion surveys. uh, we try to find out what the people here think uh for your information. there's a public opinion survey conducted by similar organizations here in taiwan, asking people what they feel the most successful area of public policy. important relations happened to be the most successful and indeed was a foreign countries are trying to included. i think we have adopted it right policy to maintain the state of school on the one hand and to try and maintain peace and stability in this area and to reach out to more countries. so that's how one has more backing from the international community. i think this is the right approach and this is their approach supported by the public. and of course time one is that democracy, people are afraid to think that the one political party is better than another. and we need to allow the people to come cedar,

who is the best or which political parties the best for the countries future. in right now, even though there's the debate, there's different kinds of supporting. but it's the natural way of expressing here in taiwan. and if you look at the polls, it's a high consistency in some of the candidates seem to be in the forefront against others. and the kind of a tendency seem to be a very consistent, very briefly, mr. why not try a little hard to talk to china. you'll presidents have said she's open to dialogue with badging without pre conditions. but even people in your own party, the democratic progressive pos you don't think you've tried hard enough. a founding member hong t chang said recently, we have such a solid taiwan identity now we should be confident enough to engage in some exchanges. so why don't you engage like the appointment timeframes to we hips, right. but the situation is that china has been imposing conditions on tie

one the conditions, the conditions of being revealed by a she didn't being on january 2nd, 2019 and with that kind of conditions, i don't think any sensible leader in ty one would or should accept those pre conditions, those preconditions we crude, the pay once you accept the self as part of the p r c. i want you to accept one country to system model. high one should have said nothing but unification with china. and these is something that the people here in tie one, not one to accept and therefore even wait, that came t is back into power. i just don't think that they can or they should accept those preconditions. once we upset those preconditions, i want becomes another home called in. by that time, it will be too late for us to limit if china imposes another initial security last

i want. so as well does come when you hand on hans, be able to say that you did everything possible to prevent it. and we are trying, tries very hard on the one hand, our approach is to maintain the status call and trying to keep the peace disability over the taiwan strait and have an open institute to invite the chinese for negotiations. and on the other hand, we also strengthening our defense capabilities to prevent china from thinking that they can take, tie one or easily. and at the same time, we are engaging with the international community so that they can support, tie one more and they can help strength and tie was defense capability. say with the oldest we are trying to deter war from happening and it's not just high one. we have like, by the populace, they understand the cost for the world if the war is to break out and we all wind

what we can to prevent war from happening. what is the woo joseph was. thank you very much for being on conflict. so thank you. well, thank you very much, mr. sebastian. the,

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