or the shocking claims from demand leading the wagner mercenaries fighting for russia in eastern ukraine. if any, pre goshen says that neither ukraine nor nato ever threatened to rush or that must count justification for an beating was false. that it's all been a big lie. what this could mean for the board if anyone's guess tonight, ukraine says that most scale is targeting these after reaching a nuclear power plant that russian troops there are planning a radiation terror attack. i broke off in berlin. this is the day the of this, our intelligence has received information that russia is considering the scenario of a terrorist attack of except for region you can apply under terrorist acts with the

release of radiation on the ground. now the russian army is retreating from this upper regia and test on friends the armed forces of ukraine pushing back the russian army. any threat to the plan until the sensitive infrastructure is dangerous? unacceptable? happy patch everything for this. also coming up in data concludes its largest ever air force deployment. exercise in your as the german chancellor said earlier, last week you messed with one of us. you messed with all of us. so probably not a good idea to come knock and at our door to our viewers watching on tv, as in the united states, into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day with shocking claims about how it rushes board and ukraine began. and a warning about what could happen next. the man who leads the wagner group of

mercenaries finding for russia, says the public has been to see that there was never a threat from ukraine or nato. and the russian oligarchs have wondered and stolen from people in eastern you crate. there has been no reaction from the kremlin or from keep to light you crate is warning of a possible russian terror plot. you created, the president zaleski says that russian forces at the occupied separate g. a nuclear power plant are planning to cause a radiation disaster. does ever reach you, nuclear power station is the largest in europe. it has been under russian occupation since russia invaded parts of ukraine last year. the international atomic energy agency tried to negotiate a safety perimeter around the site. but to know it says that success and the i a, a says that the risk to and from the nuclear plant, i've only risen with the start of the ukrainian counter offensive this month. one being a possible release of radiation as

a weapon to stop in the ukranian trip advance. here's ukrainian president zalinski speaking last night. or is he ever goes to russia uses the stuff for easy and you could have power plants has another mentioned this regression with or why they don't compiz the plan uses that is covered to show neighboring cities that these weapons and soldiers that are much about this our intelligence has received information that russia is considering a scenario of a terrorist attack up the super easy and you could have planned by terrorist acts with the release of radiation they, after you've had everything for this. well, my 1st guest is daria dosing cove. i'm a research fellow at the royal united services institute for defense and security studies story. it's good to have you on the program. you published a report in april, which warranted the possibility of russia doing what zalinski now says they have concrete plans to, to do that. the separate to your nuclear power plant, but before we talk about that, i'd like to get your reaction to the claims coming from guinea. pre goshen that

pretends, reasons are most skills reasons for attacking ukraine. have all been a why to um yeah, things thanks for having me. um, i mean, uh i need to, i'm probably not the best place to, to comment on that. most of my work is been around the operation of your power plant. what's happening out at the facility, but i mean, i think we've seen from the very start of the full scale invasion that a russian has been spinning. you know, a, a, a not very convincing narratives of said what is essentially the legal invasion of the country when you consider provisions of claim that ukraine is advancing on these efforts you're in the here. so on the front is the safety threat in your

opinion as it become even more acute now. well, i think there's been concerns around the safety of the nuclear facilities and ukraine for some time precisely, as you pointed out, we highlighted this and a report in april. but these concerns have been, are being raised have been raised for, really, since the invasion and the full scale invasion, russia, russian troops, once they crossed over from, from belarus and to ukraine, occupied the terminal exclusion zone. and a week or so later and took over this operation nuclear plants and have occupied it since. and russia has demonstrated pretty clearly throat door, very clear to stain for nuclear safety and for nuclear purity and for the safety of civilian sales. before as to the, to underestimate the potential for, for russia to cause some sort of incident at as abrasion some,

some sort of incident to talk us through the scenarios of what could happen it's, it's a bit difficult to predict what would happen. i mean, there, there's a few different scenarios. i think one possibility is that there is a legitimate accident. we are in a, in a more situation. and their facility is, is an inactive or zone. and so it's not operating in, in the same system environment. so there is a potential for a legitimate accident. however, there is also the potential for russia to engineer and an incident. and that might look uh, there might be different options for without actually looks like. obviously, the biggest concern at the moment is the supply of water to the facility. and since the attack on the hawk of them, the water levels and does that for the gulf, the reservoir have dropped dramatically. and so there are concerns around the ability to sustain uh, water to and cool into to the reactor is that the facility and the fuel and those

rafters is very, very hot. it needs to get cold, and it needs to consist of water supply, fill out what needs to be done to prevent a release of radiation that separates your i a, a chief raphael grossi. i mean, we know that he is working hard on this and that he met with a right with russian officials today of what can he achieve it. he, he's the only one who can do something or is, or is there someone else so um, yeah, you've been doing a lot of work. um, as you mentioned at the start and there had been efforts to establish safety and security zone around the facility. the focus has shifted now a little bit to i've seen sharing the, the security and the safety of, of them, of the facility itself. so the i a has come out with a 5 principles for the safety and security of the operation nuclear power plant,

including not staging large military equipment to the facility, not staging attacks from the facility or attacking the facility. and so i think it's important that those are respected and i mean short of, of withdrawal of a russian from the facility and a return of the facility to ukrainian control. so we're always going to be looking at a precarious situation. but, you know, there are technically speaking, there are safety measures in place, are redundancies in place at the site to ensure that in case water runs out in case there is a shortage of electricity backup systems can kick in. the question for me is, how well maintained are those systems and will rush, i'd be willing and able to operate those backup systems if they've decided that they want to stage an incident into the facility. will they actually allow those systems to, to prevent an incident?

i think the most important thing now really that you bring dollars can do is make it as clear as possible that russian does not stand to benefit from generating an incident to the facility. and that in case of a radiological incident, whether it's an accident, uh or not, that support for you print would not decrease that it would, it would increase from, from, as always. daria, it was because of the royal united services institute. we appreciate your time and your valuable insights. thank you. thank you. with a war raging to its east nato have just completed its largest ever air force drilled for the past 2 weeks. more than 10000 soldiers from 25 countries to part in the exercise and sailed in disguise. over europe, the drill was led by germany and it was called air defender. 2023. they painted, the nato alliance against an imaginary enemy. here just under

23. it was not officially aimed at defending against a specific enemy, but demonstrating it could when any war is hell, needle calculates it won't have to wage one, is drawn off and says, your best defense, it is best for everyone to come to a peaceful resolution. uh, but if called, uh to, uh, to activate, were ready to 2 week exercise led by germany simulated a collective response to an attack on nato territory. it brought together 10000 participants from 25 countries in the alliances largest air exercise ever. the planning began 4 years ago, but situations that may have seemed hypothetical, then got a lot more real with russians war on ukraine. of course, it's an exercise, but i told my guys, we handle it like emission here because it could be an emission. if we think about a war and i think it's the crashing of mindset, and i think my soul just getting this mindset from,

from day to day more. and even those exercises show us how important i wanna drop this for major piece team that job involved. bringing in 17000 tons of rocks to build a to kilometer fuel pipeline to supply the airfields just for the exercise is something that could easily be needed during war time as this area is not connected to a cold war era pipeline that supply some basis major p says now they could cut the 5 month construction time in half if they had to insuring a fuel supply line to a fighter planes. and this guy was also important and a skilled, it's somewhat new to europeans. well air defenders and above all, it proving the interoperability of nato allies and the indivisibility of europe and the us. there's another aspect to nato's strength. it's important to, and that is europe's growing self sufficiency until just about 3 years ago. european plains could not do air to air refilling without american health. this

german, a 400 that we're on right now can do exactly that. so that's been a significant part of the exercises as well. german air force, colonel christian young, is already reading air defender, a big success. we had a great color variation with all our allied partners here. all the procedures that we use the work perfectly. and we are looking back almost back on a, on a perfect exercise here. in the heart of your other officials say not everything works perfectly. there are always glitches when 25 different countries try to integrate the current boudreau says the main goal here, underscoring a message to potential opponents was definitely accomplished. as the german chancellor said earlier, last week, you messed with one of those who messed with all of us. so probably not a good idea to come knock and at our door a report on lessons learned from air defender 23 will be compiled in the next couple of weeks, but it will remain classified very clear words they're telling me now is our

process corresponded. terry schultz, she filed that report, forrest terry. good to see you. what's the biggest take away from this exercise other than we were just told? don't come knocking at our door. so yeah, that's what they want. the biggest takeaway should be, but definitely what nato did over these 2 weeks. and wouldn't germany did over these 2 weeks, was proved that they could mass just an incredible show of air power very quickly, assuming we, impenetrable to any opponents coming most likely from the east. you know, they had 10000 extra people come in. suddenly, just for the short period of time, 250 aircraft, and i asked nato, how many, how many flights did you actually did you actually see flown? and there was 1740 for source each during this time. so that's a lot of flights in 2 ways and they manage the air space. i think exactly what they wanted to accomplish. they did. yeah, they,

the commanders say that the exercise was a success. i knew you got a, a very close up look at everything. what was your impression? so as i said in my report, the thing that it probably impressed me most was getting to go up on this european air to air refueling flight. as i mentioned, they have only been able to do this since about 2019 before that only the americans could do that. so in previous wars and previous engagements with the europeans, the americans were the only ones who can do air to air refueling. so now that we were on a german play and watching them refuel in german tornadoes, that was very impressive, and the germans were very proud. they wanted to show that off. so in addition to showing that the us in europe are indivisible, they really did show that you're is developing self sufficiency on some of these capabilities. and that's important. the americans want to see the europeans want to do it in the city that we're seeing that you shot that video rides of, of the refueling, of the. well, that's right. on my phone, has nato, as it proved, it's combat preparedness. so these are some,

some of the lessons that they're going to look back on. they've shown that they can mount this airpower. they can, they can get their planes in the air. there will be other lessons to learn that we probably will never hear about. and that's about how easily, how easily they move their forces in their equipment through nato territory through you know, that 25 countries working together got the pieces that they were supposed to provide in the right places. and how that was done military mobility is always a difficult question. and i was told on the sidelines that there were some other things that don't always work something called link 17, which is a data processing application between planes. sometimes they just don't communicate . so sometimes some instructions that might be given that might be changed at the last minute, wouldn't get to someplace that happens here too. so those are, some of the things are going to have to look at. but the big things seem to have all gone right. we know germany hosted these exercises. what does that tell us about germany's future role in the lights?

i think the impression of germany will change a lot with these exercises is something i thought about as well. because of course, we're used to germany being made fun of is, you know, not being prepared, not having good equipment, not having the right uniforms. this kind of thing. but it was germany's idea to launch these exercises 4 years ago. and they pulled it off. you heard the american pilot, he told me more things. also during that interview and just how impressed he was at the, the german hospitality. the fact that they got the communication systems up that might surprise some germans. but in germany did very well hosting this exercise, and i think it will change some lines on, on how confident germany is. as an ally, it does some things very, very well. and before you let you go, what kind of message did these exercises send to months? ago to of course they weren't aimed at moscow, nato will say they aren't aimed at anyone in particular, but we all know exactly who they wants to get this message and that is definitely

vladimir put and they want to say, look, we, we will see what you've done in ukraine, we're trying to help you frame that. don't you dare step one. so don't you dare fly one plane into nato air space into nato territory of, you know, the do buzz the air space now and then, and nato sends up planes. and of course, those russian planes out, but they definitely want the crumbling to take the message away from this that we will be ready and we will be ready quickly if you should dare to try to come on to nato's land. in one more question for you just the, the access that you had was it was very good. how easy was it did to get access to show which it well, they invited us up on this flight and so they definitely, the germans definitely wanted to show us that they could do air to air refueling. we didn't get to talk to a lot of people candidly on the ground. i happen to say that and i was a bit disappointed by that. and nato knows that because we talked about it. so i would have liked to talk to more people about their experiences. but honestly, in, in a, in a, in an exercise this controlled most of them probably would have said the same thing

. we think everything is going very well. and the us pilot again, he was, he was very candid in his, in his complement complements, to germany. so i think the impression is that they went that everything really didn't go well. do these, terry show for the lease tonight from brussels is always terry, thank you very much. have a good weekend. so what else in the united states, a country where more and more, are apparently turning away from science. a new survey shows a disturbing drop in trust in science in the wake of the coping 19 pandemic. the survey by the university of chicago's national opinion research center showed only 39 percent of us adults claiming to have a great deal of trust in science in back in 2022. now that is compared to 48 percent the year before the results are published in the general social survey. that's a procedures poll carried out by the university since 1972. what's

going on here find out by bringing in dr. william shafter. he's a professor of preventive medicine at vanderbilt university in national tennessee. he's also the medical director of the national foundation for infectious diseases and n g, a dedicated to informing the public and medical professionals. so just after it's good to see you, it's good to have you back on the day. you and i, we've spoken numerous times many times throughout the pandemic. can you confirm this? surveys results are americans trusting in science less and less as well brands? it's good to be with you and i'm afraid the survey is accurate, at least that's my general impression. of course, there's a general distrust of authority that's out there. and this has been fueled by the very start political divisions we have in this country. but beyond that, there is a misunderstanding, a lack of appreciation of science. and i think that that goes all the way back to

middle school and high school, you know, the science curricular in middle schools and high schools is not that strong. so i think in the united states we have is not a science, you literate population. one that's very on easy with science. why do you think then that the corona virus pandemic? so on a, i guess a faster rate, but this loss of trust insights will print. i would have to go back to the political divisions in the united states. what we saw during corona virus as this public health, a can demick stripes, the population, the communications that we received were often at odds with each other. indeed, if we think back to those washington press conferences there,

we had the political leadership of this country saying one thing, and 5 minutes later, the public health leadership in the same news conference were saying things that were diplomatically but a 180 degrees opposite. so the communication was very, very confused, and people really didn't understand what to believe. and much of the confusion is now, as we say, baked in, remains the, the centers for disease control was criticized a lot. during the pandemic conferences select, the subcommittee on the pen demik says that the cds, these policies contributed to public distrust in doctors and health officials. now this week, the outgoing head of the cdc, rochelle will lisky. she spoke before that committee take a listen to part of what she said. certainly communications has been hard communications 1st, we as an agency historically have communicated to health and public health

providers. not necessarily. always to the american people with every single guidance. and then importantly, as there have been the various actors who are actively working to undermine our communication efforts. doctors after the various actors working against public health authorities. do you agree with her? and it is who are that a well, i and she brings up several points. first of all, the cdc i'm, i'm a big fan of the cdc. but the cdc was not very clear in his communications. it was not very consistent. it didn't often explain its policies and those nefarious actors, some of homework political, but we now have the amplification of social media where people get their news from 10 the old source. back in the day 2030 years ago. everything was filtered through person such as yourself, who were who,

who made judgements about what to put on television and on radio. we don't have those filters anymore. looking for quality, looking for truth reinforcing the best science and making that communication. much clear. yeah, they used to refer to people like me as qualified gatekeepers. now they have there's a different vocabulary that people issues. what do you think needs to happen, dr. dr. shafter, what do you think needs to happen to improve public trust in sites? well, the short term solution is for people such as myself, to try to be clear and communicate to the public in a consistent way based on science. but the other is, i do think we have to go back and look at the curriculum in our middle and high schools and improve the science curriculum. the 2 issues that come to mind, for example, vaccines and climate change need to be much better at taught to our young children

so that when they become adults, they can understand and put new information into perspective. but before we say goodbye, doctor said, let me ask you, is the united states, is it less prepared to deal with the next pan demik if trust in science continues to fall. i think we're better prepared. but we need to make sure that our communication to the public is science based, clear, simple, and repeated. that way. i think we can engender the trust and the support of the public that they considered you as a possibly leading the cdc one day dr. shack. in the past, but no more i think thanks, brent. well, i know i'm sure there are a lot of people watching us. we would say that you'd be a great kid that i just wanted to put that out of the way. and shafter is always

good talking to you, we appreciate your insights. thank you. i. as of, he does a healthy, there's a well, the day is almost done, the conversation. he continues on line. you'll find this on twitter need to do is you can follow me on twitter, it break golf tv, and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day, have a good weekend, the

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