and you know, the 2 strands of the army, it's kind of missed the, but it was due to be in your grand puts, in the, it's a, make this be much weaker. and so hod lee football so well face those challenges like lisa, if you will allow me, i want to make sure i clarify something that, that you made a reference to earlier. or you suggesting that it is highly likely that precaution would make such a bold move like this? because he knows that he has some small measure of support inside the kremlin. uh well of course, and he is on stage mental that there are $25000.00 of them, but uh, they all supported passively, at least by here for russian on. so floppy gordon, 1000 p. s a new political goals and bounced,

but the very development of disaggregation makes him a very serious political challenge to miss the fulton himself and speak with him is a strong man due to the fact that he compliance issues he and smoke only military but media and financial resources, and he gives you while the decal support from citizens and from a leads reward them will become stronger and stronger precautions. actions follow his claims that russia launch military attacks against his man. i'm curious, any reason to doubt those claims? and why would russia launch attacks against the men who have largely spearheaded rushes offensive in ukraine? i think stands uh they roll uh pretty good from display last autumn. uh was extremely important for the ground and it goes by the side ukrainian counter

offensive was going on and the russian, i knew it was not capable to stop it. they didn't announce my bill is ation. but those were the lies. the 3 digits are come to that on and that's why boots him fill out a boyfriend, so they well cream and else from presumes and speak, wash and blades very serious row. now investigation is due from spring. gordon is not that much needed to the army and to the points and they'll be ships. the plan was somehow to push him out. and that's exactly what the arm it's right to. do you say that his role is not quite, is necessary within the military structure right now, but he has to spearheaded largely this offensive against ukraine. so i wonder with progression now turning his focus in relate towards moscow. what it might mean for

russia is war in you train, especially now that the ukraine's can are offensive is up and going. it depends upon how quickly the gramlin will manage to fix the problem. and it's been sol, so it's how exactly is we land if lives will bid them 3 to false them. uh, although pretty boyfriends. uh well, very badly. and uh, we'll play the role of a game changer. will not change that much in relation to the ongoing on and you ongoing what is your brain? but nevertheless, they reset grant a different location points and traction leadership and trash them and leads to decide whether to escalate. i have these uh he has been offered by the boardroom or to this if i, if this is another for,

for coming from the boardroom or to keep staff as well. that is nikolai petroff senior research fellow at chatham house. many thanks for your time and your perspective, sir. my pleasure to dw special correspondent abraham e, as in keith earlier, she told me how ukrainians have been reacting to the news of this apparent rebellion in russia. while official reactions had been slow this morning, michael, but now are trickling down. we heard from a spokesperson of, of ukraine, the military intelligence andre use of who said the, what's happening and rush hour right now is a continuation of inter internal conflict that has been caused by russia's aggression on ukraine. and he said that this is a sign, but the ring team in russia is collapsing. and that things in his perspective will

only intensify and get worse. there's also that tweet that we saw from the ukrainian ministry of defense a as soon as the event started unfolding, it didn't really, it wasn't really directly commenting on the events. but simply stated, we are watching and certainly people here in ukraine have plenty of reasons to be watching what's going on in there in the neighboring russian are right now. this could have a possible effects on the battlefield. we are ukrainian, recreate it is now in the middle of a, it's offensive in the eastern and russian forces are internally fighting that could certainly be an opportunity for ukrainian forces to make gains. and there's also how this whole debacle plays into ukraine's narrative on the world stage. what they've been saying from the beginning is said they are united defending their homeland defending their countries. whereas russians don't really know what it is

that they're fighting for, or why they have entered this for. and certainly we can expect ukrainian officials to use what's going on right now. to further that narrative on the global states perhaps to sway some of the countries that have been reluctant to our right support you create. i always hear that there were air attacks on keys and other cities last night. what do we know about the casualties or damage they cause freighters? it was another horrifying night across ukraine. the air raid sirens went off. i think $3.00 to $4.00 times within the span of 6 hours. i mean, my team and i could barely get any sleep as, as many here in the country. 50 ms files were launched by russia on ukraine just last night. that's according to the ministry of defense 41 of those were struck down and we know that 3 people have unfortunately lost their lives here in the capital overnight. as a result of these attacks, of many, many things is always joining me now is dw brussels correspondent jack

pair of jackets early days yet as they say. but right now house the you assessing what's happening in russia as yeah, we've had a smattering of reactions from different e u officials, the european commission spokes pass and released the statement saying that that monitoring the situation closely. and that this is an internal russian issue, really, that sort of the cool message from most of the senior you officials, the european council president shaw. michelle said something similar to the french president emanuel macro. and he said that the following closely. but also said that focused on supporting ukraine, that's why they want to keep the focus in front on think, due to the president of poland, said that they hadn't consultations with the prime minister and the defense ministry also with other la allies. obviously, poland, being a neighbor of russia. this is something that, that concerned about the stony ends. the prime minister that kaya color said that

the strengthening men for their advice and people not to travel over the border into either neighboring russia, nato based here in brussels table. so is that a similar thing monitoring place? the, essentially, they don't want to say too much, this does play into the narrative of the europeans that eventually the, the leadership of russia would be challenged because according to the europeans and the nato allies, this is an unjust war. so this is something that, that, that we're seeing. one interesting statement. we did have a strong statement came from the list you a new for administer. gabriella slammed his book as he said, it's a 100 of you hundreds of years, lithuanians, it'd be living on the edge of what the code must go find the tree. and the, this chaos, it was only a matter of time before. there was another payoff to impose it, and as i say, this is what has been predicted by your pins. they don't believe that the war and ukraine is just, and there's been long the suggestion that eventually at that would be some internal

troubles in russia. jack, we should mention germany has issued a travel warning for moscow city center. the u. k. is even urging british citizens to leave the country altogether. for all we know more countries might follow or they preparing for the worst. i think that's right. i mean, they don't want the nationals to be involved in any of the internal trouble that could come out of what's going on now in russia. but i will say that we don't know too much what the, what the rest of my life have is military intelligence on this at the moment the, as i said, it just said that the monitoring, it looks like this is all dining and most of them don't know which is right next to you crying. so no, the heat of the action with this wagner group is not actually too close to the neighboring countries. and the countries, the neighbor, russia, dw, so jack parents in brussels, many thanks is always jack if you are just joining us,

russia is president vladimir putin has vowed to crush what he called an armed mutiny in a televised dress. it comes after of gainey provision, head of the wagner mercenary group, said he wanted to oust rushes, military leadership. the russian army says it is carrying out combat measures in the southern region of verona. further south for goshen says his wagner forces have taken control of key military sites in the city of ross stuff on don. this includes the regions military headquarters, a key logistical base for russia's invasion of ukraine for goshen denies. however, he staging into the kremlin is urging fighters in the wagner group to abandon their leader. president bruton also said, decisive action will be taken to stabilize the situation in loss of ongoing to you . but i'm going to do a couple of questions, but split to now unity are in a band and minutes of l. people about comrades in arms who are now slicing in the

front entrance just enough. this is a step in the back about country. and people knew enough and when that will and now we can now go back to dw corresponding roman government go for the latest developments. roman for goshen claims is troops has entered russian territory, specifically raw stuff on done. and now again, we're hearing about the neighboring of our national region. do we know how many troops he has? well, we can only speculate at the moment. um we, i think, what can you assume that he has maybe tens of thousands of potentially, potentially because some of them um, some of the records that you have um, uh, well, conduct them from us and prisons as a returned to russia. maybe they will join him or planning to join him inside rush or now. so he potentially, he has a dozens of thousands of people on his side. on the other hand,

we don't know if all of them support him, so we didn't know. she definitely has a core we have of supports us and that's. that's where he's called size. but we don't know the exact figures. are the russian regular forces responding in any way? yes, they are. um, they have been withholding the use of force its night. so it looks like president clinton was hoping to resolve this crisis to because crisis of his presidency from a 22 years without a bloodshed, then he decided it is no longer possible. so he failed to find a solution. and now we are him seeing video footages, photos of a, fighting in different regions of russia along the king and border also tell us must go. we're seeing that the russian forces pointing to moscow and am trying to defend it in case the progression forces will try to enter moscow. so precautions

is to remove the defense minister from power, and that is why she's heading to moscow and rome. and as we continue to try to give the viewers a real perspective on this, what consequences are these events likely to have for russia's war in ukraine? well, this will definitely have consequences for the russian war in ukraine. this is an unexpected help for the ukrainian forces that are pushing forward and have launched their accounts or fancy if a few days ago. so, um, anything that distracts the russian army from fights in your brain is good for your crime. and so we already have some rewards then russian forces, at least some of them are being pulled out of your brain. and this is of course, a major help for the opinion on me. the dw corresponded roman country, ranked on many, many sacks. of course we will bring you all the latest on the terminal and rush it in the coming hours. but do stay tuned. arts on veiled is up next, i'm like

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