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generation the ends that so good. malaria must die. so millions can live the this is the w news. why? from berlin? the boss of the wagner group is expected to go into exile. if gainey precaution is set to move, to belive is after quitting here short lived uprising, the kremlin says he will not face prosecution. his forces pull out of breath and gone after a to moultrie his 24 hours in russia. the
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on michael locus. welcome to the program, an armed uprising in russia, it has come to an abrupt end. after the head of the wagner mercenary goop ordered his troops to stand down. if gaining precaution abandoned his attempt to overthrow russia's military commanders after striking a deal with the kremlin. wagner forces have now withdrawn from the southern city of russ drop on dawn, where they earlier occupied the district military headquarters. the goshen says, wagner is pulling back its troops. you avoid spilling russian blood. the kremlin says he will move to bedrooms and all criminal charges against him and his soldiers will be withdrawn. less than 24 hours after wagner troops rolled into brownstone from dawn. they rolled backhouse again, leaving as local heroes
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the . the rebellion turned to retreat. after a new policy of guinea precaution reached a deal with the kremlin saying here, pausing for photos as he left the city precautions he'd wagner soldiers would pretend to you. crank teach us. most people don't mind me up to day. most at the moment has come. then glad to more could be spilled. when you maya, 2 of 3 of a wave of responsibility for shedding russian blood drawn to thought it was go from one side to another bottle and we are turning our convoys back on that and recovering back. you failed attempt lobrado. the kremlin has created to belive ruesch and leda alexander lucas shing co, with brokering the deal, which insured precaution would lead for bella roo,
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solution just. and that all charges related to the musing they would be dropped on dollars. how does it or she, it was agreed that the wagner group will return to their camps. some of them who wish to do so in the future, a kid will sign contracts with the ministry of defense. this applies to those units that did not take part in this campaign. so indeed, there were some soldiers that came to their senses right from the start. the deal came after an extraordinary day in russia, during which wagner claimed to have made it within 200 kilometers of the capital. the utan was a major, backed down by precaution, who early religious russian military attacked his troops and ukraine, and that the public was being lied to about the war. going flat advantage and had vowed to crush the rebellion. but that great quickly suffered to an exile deal to
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compromise ending provisions. insurgency, the cooling into question, rushes, stability and pollutions political future dw is former moscow bureau chief, uri with shadow joins has now from riga as dw is banned from reporting in russia. erie arguably the biggest threat to putin's grip on power ending as abruptly as it started even season rusher. walters were less done by the events of this weekend. how did it come to this? well, people in russia, michael, are wondering exactly the same thing, namely, what was that? i think what happened is it us in state and does it often president, personally in a quite bad light. he comes a man who officially holds no office who doesn't give a damn about the document, the wrong address, and all russian state or guns and even more who installed so the municipal of defense and by the way, close ally of food. and so he comes mixed up regarding with
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a gun of his hand megs demands, and everyone cringes. the president makes a dramatic speech, but does nothing. of course, which is desire to avoid the blog should, is more than understandable, but she asks and nod over with a very dubious reputation. namely, bill, every single look of shank with the media because he's himself cannot and suddenly the conflict this resolve was the result that everything put in sad to bulk because no longer applies in the morning because it was still a dangerous criminal. it's already in the evening. he was a free man. it would appear if gaining precaution, knew exactly what he was doing. why, why do you agree to his deal that essentially would see him exiled to bill rich? well, i think that because, and who is a tough business matters is, 1st of all, and aaron's a lot of money with his army not only in russian by the way. so i think that he simply didn't feel like continuing to suffer heavy losses in ukraine and decided to withdraw from this business can do credit. because for him it was nothing but
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a business. he couldn't make any more money with the russian government because he had extremely bad relationship with as a minister of defense. and so he decided to leave, but she did it with his head held high, which is important because he, we must not forget, the private arm is still banned in russia. and by the way, we don't know, she will live in exile and by level with maybe she moves to africa, asia developed as big progressions stokes fight a worldwide, and that he has no celebrity. what do you make of the images of every day? russians cheering on. wagner mercenaries in rough stuff on done, not unlike conquering heroes. well, yesterday, yesterday they was bizarre when tanks came to draw stuff and stayed to the yes today as it will already bizarre, seen as stains of approach betweens, evocative nurse notice and the population during the day when we went post in front of the tanks and took photos and yeah,
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the arm to man was already during the day for many and you're all stuff on duncan's a solid for prussia, one attraction to their old friends. but everyone was already somehow worried of course, at once the troops then withdrew. of course it was relief and maybe one or the other was heavy of that precaution had publicly community agents the kremlin ended us from president uri. i'm curious, how were all these events being reported on in russia as well? because not only pushes at austin state in a bad life, michael, but also there are some state propaganda um on the night of saturday um, a problem was interrupted on the 1st session to the vision and to the present. a write a statement in as a walk in the war time and then put in, came on tv in the morning. everything reminded that options on the porch from the $9.00 to $9.00 to is one of the then soviet president was more or less detained on time. yeah, and so get to the vision, show it to take cost is valid. swats one lake in endless loops. what we are no
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longer living in the ninety's. and of course, like everywhere else in the world, people use social media to get a lot of information. it's still happening in russia, still dw jarae. we're shadow. many thanks is over here. and now let's welcome maureen and we're on a military analyst at kings college one and for a closer look at the security implications of all of this marina, shirley will be speculating about this event for years to come. i'm sure people are all over the world. why in your view, did you have gainey for goshen take your day should step to launch a rebellion only to withdraw as quickly as he started a good morning, michael. well, that was, that was very unexpected. because in order to prepare a real insurgency, it takes many years and somebody who's preparing zach needs to ensure that they also have popular support as well as can attract support of the armed forces. and i
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think that's true, gosh. and might have gambled because he might have thought that by challenging the ministry of defense and challenging, put in perhaps more in direct leads that he would gain support from the population and especially from the forces. but he miscalculated that and was a forces that he had a just looking at the kind of correlation of forces i, i think that he might have realized that on the one hand it might end up and in a very bloody way, on the other hand, it would kind of undermine his own narrative because he was talking about being patry artic and standing up for the full beyond forces. and then he would have to fight those armed forces that he's standing up for. so in a way that would have undermined his narrative. and you also saw is that while he was marching that the kremlin and the ministry of defense,
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they were in the backing down. so they were showing the readiness to face him on their terms. therefore, i think that it was for him a strategic accent not to escalate the situation any further. were in there, as you well know, his criticisms had consistently been directed at the leadership of russia's military. but he must've known his actions would be viewed as an attempt to topple, put, and was that, in fact, his intention as well. he never really verbalized regime change per se. i think his impression was to take sugars, place and the ministry of defense. and perhaps he overestimated his relationship was put in because we didn't, hasn't done anything about insults to the ministry of defense. and he had to kind of balance this relationship between a precaution and his walking group on the one hand and the ministry of defense on
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the other hand. but if push comes to show, i think for put in, it wouldn't have been viable to choose regarding, saw it because proportion isn't the outside element. and he's somebody who's not even involved in the armed forces. so the, the choice we'll put in was clear. and i think precaution might have realized that he has crossed and indeed the the red line and that he's not going to enjoy putting support anymore. it if, if the events continues of ways they do in the hours following precautions take over the key russian town of last of every major official reportedly publicly pledged their loyalty to put in. but is it reasonable to believe for goshen would have triggered a rebellion without knowing he had some measure of support in moscow or i don't seems that progression enjoyed that kind of support the, even as a private mil luxury companies and, you know, we'll look at in the trash and later cordero,
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they all decided to close agreements with the ministry of defense. so even amongst souls, he didn't seem to enjoy much support because he could have prepared this much better and gotten them on his side in order to increase the amount of his supporters from 25000 troops. and as far as the forces are concerned, put in has a tool which is called the g r. u to make sure is that any moods offer bally and are detected then this is something that goes back to the soviet times telling use the same institution in order to keep check on the military to avoid the military q . so i think that was put in some government might have caught it early on if they had sensed a anything in the military, per se. you know, part of the reason i ask is, i'm sure that their viewers all around the world who've been watching these events unfold. and it's difficult for them to imagine
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a comparatively small group of men taking on the russian army in the streets of moscow. so it comes to reason that you might think that the must be some support there along the line somewhere in moscow. some small element in the kremlin to hold it might be a very small element, but that element is not enough to carry out the kind of operation that precaution was seeking to carry out. and it might be said he had overestimated. has popularity . he established this credentials of being against the m o d. one thing to support the armed forces and certainly he is not wrong about mismanagement. however, even that wasn't enough to sway as it was on his side, especially because those others would know if anything fails. then this is the end for them and so the situation for them would have been too risky. well, let me ask you this. is this the end of the wagner group?
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so that's a very good question. our part and li wagner is going in the exile, developed rules his fight, or is still have the possibility to work for the ministry of defense. and i think um, put in, we'll try to call me resolve this and let us low over and absorb the remaining elements of surviving improve at the souls and russia in order to deploy them to ukraine because of troll and progression has very good fighters on his side, what will happen to his african contingent, we don't know yet whether he will try to manage some and obviously progressions own future is in question. when it comes to his personal security. or, you know, we only have half a minute, but i do want to ask you what this loss will mean for russia is war as well. i think at this stage and it blew very quickly, it was a spike,
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but nothing substantial happened then the situation has been controlled as of yesterday evening. so i think so for on the front here, they will be following orders. it might affect their morale in one way or another because we'll have to everybody like last week we'll have to ended there. i hate interrupting you, maureen and mirand military analysts at kings college london. thanks so much for your time. thank you for having me. do stay tuned, reporters up next. i'm like a little cool. i'll be back at the top of the hour for more news the, the one of main kinds, oldest ambitions could be within reach.

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