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the fugitive right now, the, the world's most dangerous. where is, is, wanted dogs june 29 on the w. the business data use a life from berlin. the rebellion in the russia is called of rock novel if gain, if it goes and agrees to move to better use of quits in his uprising, the permanent says he will not space persecution. his forces pull out the rest of them though not to re key. i'll take 24 hours. also,
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i had ukraine's presidents below them, as lensky says, the chaos in russia has exposed the from linds faltering leadership. we go to the streets of keeps to have what precedence the think of the situation 1st. the last general election was just weeks ago. now, voters in greece, i'll go into the polls again. last time around the conservatives, one the huge margin fact fields of security, enough seats on the i. how do you, michael junior? you are welcome to the program, and i am. the uprising in russia has ended up to the head of the wagner mass, and every group ordered his troops to stand down. if jennifer goes in abandoned, his attempts to about the rushes military commanders after striking a deal with a permanent wagner forces, i'm now withdrawn from the south and the city of russ dublin. done where the
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seattle occupied the district literally headquarters for guardian says vog nice pulling its troops back to avoid spelling russian blot. if brandon says he will move to bella was an old criminal charges against him, and his soldiers will be withdrawn. less than 24 hours after wagner troops rolled into a roll stove. on dawn, they rolled backhouse, a game leaving as local heroes the . the rebellion turned to retreat after bug new policy of guinea precaution reached a deal with the kremlin. saying here, pausing for photos as he left the city for goshen seed, wagner soldiers would pretend to you. crank you just most beautiful mind me up to day. most of the moment has come,
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then glad to more could be spilled. when you maya 2 or 3 of the old responsibility for shedding russian blood drawing, it thought it was go from one side to another side or one. we are turning on the convoys back and we're going back, you just failed attempt lobrado. the kremlin has created to belive ru shanita, alexander lucas shing co, with brokering the deal, which insured precaution would lead for bella roo, solution just, and that all charges related to them use and they would be dropped on dollars. how does it or she, it was agreed that the wagner group will return to their camps? some of them who wished to do so in the future, a kid will sign contracts with administrative defense. this applies to those units that did not take part in this campaign. some stuff, or indeed, there were some soldiers that came to their senses right from the start. the deal
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came after an extraordinary day in russia, during which wagner claimed to have made it within 200 kilometers of the capital. the utan was a major, backed down by precaution, who early religious russian military attacked his troops and ukraine, and that the public was being lied to about the war. going flat advantage and had vowed to crush the rebellion, but that great quickly softened to an exile deal to compromise ending precautions insurgency, the cooling them to question russia stability and pollutions political future. i spoke a up to date of use for my most good bureau chief uti rossetto, who's now based in vega. that's because the w as bind from russia, i asked them what's happening in moscow and the russian cities are gonna have briefly controlled. well, russia is obviously trying to get back to normal lity as quickly as possible and as if nothing had happened,
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the things are being downplay to that seem to so beacon so important yesterday the highways to moscow which will block to will be reopened. it sat, the damage streets are supposed to be renovated within 2 days, buses of running between the russian capital and the citizens itself. at the same time as the so called counter terrorist operations regime introduced in moscow and of the moscow region continues to operate. uh, kremlin spokesman pissed golf. sap is that it would be cancelled in the very near future. zill. um also is the most co author. it is decided not to cancel the date of that that was scheduled yesterday for tomorrow monday. so many most provides joke and thanks for going and for an extra day off. that's interesting. but we've seen a lot of pictures across social media. what do you make of the images of people celebrates in wagner, forces us the left, the rest of well, it was a very bizarre day for many people in russia, of course. and yes,
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especially for the russians. interest of one tanks came to visit the into the city people gathered in the center, some of them post in front of the tanks and took pictures some talk to the soldiers . it seems that the armed men will for many in the most different kinds of attractions. but also then, the real tribes about everyone was at the same time, of course of worried because no one knew how this will end the soul. when finally the troops withdrew. of course, is that what? there wasn't a leave? and of course, maybe one of the other or the other, was happy that pre gordon has publicly humiliated the kremlin and the adoption president. but we shouldn't be that even think that russians now suddenly rising up against pushing to demonstrate against the war. i definitely don't think that we were having some and now spots of the deal with the criminal in for goes in was to relocate to that i was do we know his whereabouts? no, we don't see anything about to him because it is at the moment but just knows that the gremlins books meant this. golf said yesterday,
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that's yes. you should go to brother was and be freed from any persecution which sounds we are given that just yesterday morning. for glossing, faced up to 20 as in prison. so what all that thing happening? what impact called best have on vladimir puts in his grip on power. i think i do have to put in spell. what has definitely been recon since yesterday. uh, i don't know if that was precautions goal, but the goal is to show that something is wrong. and there are some states in the country where people could be, could be put behind bars for years, if they protest against the power of the states in this country. one man takes up arms in hand and makes demands. and that's why the kremlin will now do everything possible, i think, to maybe just the day some youtube need forgotten as quickly as possible. but one shouldn't think that to put in smallways crumbling. you saw yesterday that everyone from the federation council as a do my to try to lead to cut zeros, really old back, which in at least publicly. and so now after these fails to, uh,
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it will be interesting to see what as of the loss in russia will be even tightened . quick, one on this before you go. i was all this being reported on the interest. yeah. well look, many people in russia, remember, yesterday the 1990 is when vs vin soviet president gorbachev was being held in try me and that was an attempt cool at that time. so get television continuously advocate golf skis, ballots, one leg invent. it's a kind of symbol for political uprising and russia is this times in use and go over the russian state television at p as in the night and interrupted the current program to report on precaution. and you could see that the state propaganda didn't really know how to deal with some one who adjusted the day before yesterday was being celebrated. there's a here with russian. did i'm use you ever settle. thank you. from all of those. let's talk to stuff on my stuff. he's had all the sense off or on governance in eastern europe, russia on central asia,
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out of german console on foreign relations. how does that? can i 1st get your reaction to events in russia this weekend? i think we were all surprised what is possible in put into russia. um for me uh the guardians, like it blinks one. its something neither we expected in order to put in system expected and it was not prepared for such a kind of cool from inside. you, you could say, and i think it showed the weaknesses of to put in system. it showed that this system is sold, personalize to defend, 14, not reacts immediately. the system does not know what to do in indiana regarding got to what he wanted. um he's, he's a, he's a free man at least for some time being. so i think it's a very bead saw a cool and very bizarre. a result of this is, uh, as you say, i mean ukraine is describing this as a public humiliation for president fulton and that he is reach and you sort of seem
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to suggest that area about the case is puts in a still impala. and so his military cheese, so isn't this prove up within the present in no, i think it showed for me read it a weakness of putting a and to put in the system. i think his speech was for me, representative for me are kind of last of reality. he did not understand that he was or he seemed not to understand that these really challenged or in this, in this moment. so i think everybody supported india and 14 from the top of the military and also in, in the system. but out for a short period of time, the state lost a depa falls in russia. and i think that's the worst thing which can happen and all through a terry and state and, you know, you know, sold personal life, stayed. so for me, it shows really the weaknesses of, to put in system and a, and i think it's, it's, it undermines really important to make a tennessee and away. okay. uh,
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that's the end of the rebellion. mean this was the end of the threat to put in his power or do you think this is only the beginning? i don't think that he's really threatened or that he will lose who lose power. but we see that he's, he's less strong than we expected. and that there can be events today, tomorrow, and one week or, and one month, which suddenly changed, changed the whole situation in russia. so it's more fragile than then we think about it can also survive much longer than we hold for i guess the only time will tell you have a need for goes in and fill out. and that puts in big old way back. one could argue that puts in help him rise from for my convicts, which he was to me in that. so is this a crisis of puts in his own making? you think? i think he, i'm to estimate it's um because in a way and i think what we also see is that there was no contact between both
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anymore. so for god's in need of this to, to create the situation to get the attention of 14 and get the confirmation that, that here he will be aligned y'all, because i think for team didn't support him anymore. when we see it was always already since since a couple of weeks that he, he lost the support of poor team. so he needed to get personal guarantee off of putting and he got it in the end. but i think putting really didn't realize that he lost the control of, of the guardian. and again, i think that for me is sign of a personalized system which, which does not realize any more what's going on and which has only limited information about the military offensive about the wall and about what is going on with cigars. like likely, gordon, what do you think puts in the next steps will be i think a sheet for a for the time being. he um he, he confirmed that uh the garden is free,
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so free man. but i think that will not last long. he needs to show that, that if you do these kind of things, you will not survive. so i don't think, i think that i don't think that the garden is really safe or at least not in middle and long term. mm. but i think you might also change the loss to make even most recent loss inside of the country. and then i think we will have a kind of propaganda which would maybe really let the people forget what, what happened. so i think he needs to, to show strength 14 uh and at this point, but i all difficult to say how he moved showed his strength initially. so i show some strength. you say it's what's in more or less dangerous today then he was yesterday. that's all that's happened. no, i think he was already dangerous. i think he has no limits anymore. so i think it's, it's not that he's more dangerous. yes, stuart, he's maybe more weekends and that makes him even more dangerous. but i don't see.
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so i think it's, it's, it's not full grain or for the west. it's maybe for a restaurant and people inside refresher. so maybe people are less safe, not even more, less safe than ben before inside refresher. that that's maybe the case of so he, he, he might be even more paranoid for also about close. um yeah. and that means even more repressive. so i think it's more about a domestic, russia and, and safety of people in the system. then about praying on west stuff on my staff with a german council on foreign relations. thank you very much for your time. thank you all for the rest as well. and ukraine rages on despite the situation at home, ukraine's president related methodist. he says the and rebellion in russia has exposed the gremlins weaknesses, and it's put into spotlights on fractures in the russian leadership opinion shed by many ukrainian citizens. the fighting is fierce on the front lines
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near zap, felicia and southern ukraine. one of the focal points of keeps counter offensive. while russia was confronted with arms, rebellion ukraine's forces were regaining ground. many and keep welcome the news of russia's domestic troubles. when you went to the service line, julie, what is happening in russia? the conflicts between precaution inclusion was coming for a long time. yeah, i don't know what may come out of it. but i wish they would shoot each other and die equal with one person in particular was enjoying the chaos and the enemy camp ukrainian president followed him. is a landscape showing you didn't believe the world sold. the buses of russia didn't.

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