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the, the president georgian today, thing too is a security forces were preventing of civil war for standing in the way of mercenaries who tried to march on last scale. now that is the criminal narrative. now, it's very different, of course, from what the world witnessed on saturday on their way to law scale. those wagner mercenaries encountered chairs, not jeers, and for a few hours it seemed approaching had lost control of the narrative. if not more, can he make sure that it never happens again? i broke off in berlin. this is the day the which was, there's a lot of talk at the moments. wagner, 5 know wagner. so get
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a brand new to this stage, provided all the funds for the entire wagner group that we can defense and rush, i have confirmed the rush, it was is and will remain unpredictable. yep. i suggested to put a note to harvey. i said, let's talk to precaution what we do not know how things are going to the role of pain coming days and weeks. but in fact, you stopped a civil war also coming up, europe's biggest nuclear power plant is in ukraine and also in the middle of a war zone. ukrainians fear that russia could use it as a weapon. everyone's talking about the nuclear plants, wherever you go. when you go to get water or go to the shops, everyone's talking about research. it's really scary. which of our viewers watching p b, as in the united states to answer all of you around the world. welcome,
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we begin the day with a lesson in what to remember. today, russian president vladimir approach and appeared in public for the 1st time since those dramatic events of last weekend. and he described those events as a close call with civil war boots and things in security forces for standing by the country and its constitution. but who or what they were standing up against, who didn't really say exactly. in fact, he didn't mention the wagner mercenaries who almost made it to moscow, and he didn't mentioned their leader. you have guinea precaution take unless the soldiers and officers are the true defenders of the motherland, who in a difficult time for the country together with their comrades in arms, stood in the way of the unrest. which would have inevitably resulted in chaos. you protected the constitution, the lives, the safety,
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and the freedom of our people. you saved our motherland from turmoil. in fact, you stopped a civil war. us as well, the wagner boss, he may have moved, but he hasn't gone away today for goes and arrived in bella, ruth's, which was part of the deal that ended the brief result that he led last weekend. russian authorities will also pursue no criminal charges against pre goshen and his wagner mercenaries. now that fulfills yet another condition of the deal, which bill of lucy and president alexander lucre. shanker claims he brokerage today . he rebuild the details of how he claims to have talked provision down for marching on laska. you could, you know, put your name. i asked him, what does he want to do is go to prove that naturally told me his requirements. you, i'm not asking for anything that them give me sure. go and dress them off for me
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another and i need to meet with food and i told him no one will give you why the showing google glass them off me covered. and especially in this situation with united preaching, as well as i do. secondly, he will not talk to you not only to meet, but when i told you on the phone due to the situation from silence, we want justice, they want to strangle us. we'll go to moscow. i tell him that half way up you will be crushed like a bug proof call upon us about it. a legacy go also claims that he urged one of them improve to not to have for goes in killed. instead, the wagner boss is now biller bruce's most prominent new resident and everyone, once or everyone, there is not necessarily happy that he is there. here's opposition, politician front of the court. regardless, i wrote, the letter says, very adventurous for the little sam society for a better sense, so that any 10 for abilities and independence more over and it will create france
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to pull up between. yeah, and lots. yeah. it's very likely the progression of a lot of ref alone by people bring his mercenaries, thousands of people. we're participating in torture in killing. so if you premiums and the right now together with lucas, you and they can create the nuclear threats to our neighbors and 3 entire continents. so it's like the allow the huge gang of criminals to do what they want without any punishment was product via forgive their wagner is a short lived clash with rushes. military comes as ukraine tries to gain ground in a critical counter offensive ukraine's president building. his zalinski says that his forces are advancing in all directions, but it's still unclear if keith can capital lives on the turmoil in the russian ranks. the ukranian president was visiting troops on the front line near the eastern city of bock moved in these every region to the south. he headed out wards, decorations and was briefed about the situation of the battlefield. while ukraine
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has reported some success as it is meeting fierce resistance from russian forces as well. i'm joined now by katya as sole doc, editorial director of international additions at forbes. she has been chronically brushes more on ukraine, and she joins me tonight from new york. how do you, it's good to have you with this. what am i putting today said that the country came close to civil, more civil war. that is not the language of a confident, strong man leader. is it all the in front of our eyes? we always have to understand that we don't know all the truth, russian government and everything that's happened is there is absolutely not transparent. and while for the past 1615 months. so a lot of people in the world are watching russia and waiting for russia to collapse . it's not really happening and all the messages that fortune is sending through
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his speeches there directive to multiple different audiences. but most important audience is for dance and rush. and when he use a strong language like civil war and that she was able to get the situation under control, my understanding is that it's directed to russian audience because he needs to show that she still has control and went for a moment. maybe there was some weakness, but he managed and everything is fine. yeah, it is important is you say for put into look a presidential to the public as well as to the military. i'm wondering, oh, we entering the territory where it becomes almost existing. she'll for him to look that way. so absolutely. i think all the actions of pushing them his government are directed at surviving and trying to create
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a stronger and stronger propagandist narrative, so the russian public keeps supporting them despite all the realities. because russia is affected by the functions, there are losses from there. a lot of young people for dying in the front lines and 3 dislikes canon, me, and a public still, we need to to believe that the russian government is strong and has control so. absolutely, it's essential for them. what do you make of this deal with the wagner boss of production? today? he arrives and bill a roof. his soldiers for hire has mercenaries. they've also been given the choice of following him there. how do you read their as well? i believe that in this, as by doing this put you in the hands of government, they manage the situation by essentially to dissolving the unit. that's good. present venture to them without. um we don't really know what happens,
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right. so we only know what the here was, the question to says we don't even know if in goshen indeed made it to means we just watch that some big life tracker. but if we buy this narrative, then in this case, a lot of people from the wagner unit, who, by the way, ex convicts, very dangerous people know diverse people with combat experience. they can join the russian army. so it's a win for the russian, russian forces. and in the same time, it's no longer danger for their shame, and we don't know what kind of deals were made without us knowing what actually happened. i'm wondering how worried it should bother me approaching be about any possible popularity that promotion. enjoy improved in likes to be seen as a man of the people, but he's really not for goes and all the other hand, it comes from a small village, it's very humble beginnings. he was a hot dog salesman who worked his way up to become the chef to the russian president. yep. at this point it's very hard to imagine how rushing public there
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seems anything because they've been brainwashed by russian propaganda for decades now. so all they need just another leader just to not as are so who knows. but i still understand that russia lieutenant is in control of all the media and for precaution to become popular as you need to have all very strong powerful channels . just to get this popularity and while she was greeted very friendly in the areas where he answered, that's not enough. is cutting, you know what i mean? foods in the heat neutralizes his opponents. he's done it in the past. we've seen it to, you know, you go with an airplane, you get points and you can go to another country and you have contact with some type of element that can kill you immediately. so why is he being so soft on this mutiny and especially on for goes well, 1st of all,
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we don't know what will happen tomorrow. the windows applied are still, you know, open for people to fall out. not a choke are still around. we don't know. we can just watch what happens, but it's possible that there are conversations that are happening behind the scenes that we are not aware of. and there are deals and 3 adults and stuff that's happening that's we don't know, but we just watch the presentation and we can learn only what's possible for us to see. so let's just see what happens. and before we let you go, so you know, we don't want to give the impression that for the international community progression would be preferable over food to the meeting, is considered a more criminal. uh, what kind of a future does precaution realistically have in vladimir pollutants world? is. is there any realistic future for this me? well i of course wouldn't know because it's impossible to predict,
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especially when we're talking about players like this. but i would imagine that putting doesn't need him and he will be out of the picture some point. so just look at all. okay, well, we will definitely be watching and listening to you. so like we appreciate your insights tonight. thank you. to continue to monitor it closely. um i think we should all be able to agree that a nuclear power plant is not a great site for military operations. one way or the other. that was us national security spokesman john kirby responding to growing concerns over the safety of europe's biggest nuclear power plant, which happens to be inside ukraine. russian soldiers are in control of these. after we'd see a nuclear power plant versus intentions, there remain a worrisome i know. the recent destruction of the nearby cosca them has only added the fear of an impending catastrophe. before russia's
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invasion of ukraine, the soviet failed zap for reach a nuclear power plant, produced a 5th of ukraine's electricity. but now 5 of its nuclear reactors are in code shot down because of continued shelling of the pond. the 6 is set to be in, halt, shut down, meaning the power unit is heated to a 2nd level, but he don't need generates thermal power o 6 react just those still need more to pump through them to code the nucleus a few. without that, there's a big risk that the fuel will overheat, cruising amounts down the could lead to nuclear disaster. that will to comes from a cooling pond that spread by a huge reservoir. but that reservoir is drying up. off to the nearby kirchhoff cut down was blown up at the beginning of june.
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there are also claims by ukraine that the dam that protects the plants cooling pool has been mind if damaged, even more water would be lost. and that will to is also needed to keep the use to nuclear. a few this been through the react is cool. also key to protecting the plant is a continuous source of power. electricity is needed to ensure the cooling pumps used to pump water around the reactive can operate the plans as low as power several times due to fighting in the region. that's meant it's been forced to rely on diesel generators, which only have enough fuel for around 10 days. that pro reached you is a ticking time bomb. one or more of this,
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i'm joined now by ellen us because the, the executive director at the center for disarmament and non proliferation in vienna. when it's good to have you with this, i want to just ask you have the events of the past few days in russia surrounding the wagner mercenary group? elizabeth, have they changed the level of threat you see to this power plant? i don't think that's anything related to the part of our group. so as to with the separation of pop plan. first of all they were moving in an opposite direction to start with the way from from the premium or is they what impression? so um and assuming that they are moving somewhere too. so i was that even less of the concern, but we don't know where exactly then. yeah. but other issues are much more important and some of them were highlighted by the previous speaker. yeah,
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i wanted to ask you how acute is of the nuclear threat that zappa read to you right now as there are several dimensions to each one is uh, is the continuing water supply. and it was raining, was set that because up they cut off cuz of them uh, damage and draining off the main. um, whatever is there were these continuing supplied to what i is now in the big question there off, however, other supplies were available as of one and they have been preparing for such scenario. so its not in the media center, but it's something that needs to be addressed relatively soon because we cannot rely on months and months of the power plan on the relying on some of the reserves
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it, it has, uh, already on the site. the 2nd part is they would reset you supplying me, and the importance of it is you cannot have a lot of being constantly pumped and cooling the fuel. and the reactors, if you don't have electricity they, there's all generators, as was set on the available to work for like a number of days and hours. and you need to down to have a reliable supply continually continuously. they aren't concerned is a potential of mind placed at the facility. and so there is the relatively good news with that we saw the reports of few days ago from the international atomic energy agency mission to the new pod plan.
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when they were able to observe the going pounds, they were not able to identify lines fair down war, however, lines the site. but the one on place of the reactors, of the cooling point is that concerns that they're all mines and motor equipment that is at the site. and more uh, ukrainian troops start to advance next to the city a. we don't know what is going to happen, what else going to be placed over designated and moved to other places. so there are continuing dentist. it is a precedent as institution, the very start, the russian from the index acknowledge reactions. there it is in the middle of, of, of wars on it. i'm wondering if russian troops were told to purposely do things inside
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the plant that would bring the nuclear power plant immediately into some state of disrepair. we're not talking about in releasing radiation, but let's just say in some state of disrepair, how confident are you that the workers there would be able to, you know, repair it that they would be able to get people there with a know how to repair it. that they would be able to get to the materials that are needed to carry out those repairs. is that a scenario that's been solved through or i don't think this is the biggest concern at the moment in terms of repairing and bringing the nuclear power plant back online, assuming that the territories liberated. i think the biggest concern nowadays to would a, an x that edu and radiation release some accident and the incident that could bring the release of the brandy. so that's the biggest word. and
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255 out of 6 of the actors buying and cold shut down, which probably means that there is a less of a concern about the states at the moment $5.00 to $6.00, the actor is still in a so called hawk set down. so there is more concerns about that one. if there is a pressure, if there is a file of getting says it's fighting the stop working, there is an extreme blood pressure and mistakes, but they made the lead to use that as a cover. we appreciate your time and your valuable insights so that we certainly will be following developments. thank you. you're most welcome. so what does all of this mean for ukrainians on the ground, dw, the economy visited the nearby ukrainian control, the city of nichol. there people not only faced the threat of russian showing, but now the risk of nuclear catastrophe. the other lying in bed when
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a shell hits and advice bloss, when trying everywhere i was covered. and it will just happened so fast. i didn't even realize the simon's go off every night and the old plan already comes next morning. i can't remember night without the simon's l works for local church before the war. they helped people with drug and alcohol addictions. now he's helping the 40000 people still left. survive that help in the move, you might think this is a town that caught sight back. one of the russians suits us every night and that can just get away with that. they don't even bother to move the guns, they just leave them standing where they were and they come back when they want to carry on. and this is why does that breezy nuclear power plant just a few kilometers the way it's occupied by russian soldiers and their weapons?
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the soul just to make life and make a pull, a nightmare say something to lose the ukrainians. what pretend 5 town functions do . i need just need with help, since the can health could time was destroyed. most levels here have dropped dramatically, leaving wells dry, watching food delivery times, i kept secret till the very last minute for fear that the russians tell get the crowd to the 3rd and 4th floor is just my building were destroyed by shelling. they were just going and showing the young man who lives on the 4th floor ended up in my flat on the 1st floor last coast of the store, well known, we had to help him get the shards of glass. i took his legs when you were interested. i remember the bombings in world war 2. i was just the child, but i remember ever saying this is it's all happening again. so just so most of
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the, some people here fee of it's showing might not be the only piece of history repeated in this war. ukrainian leaders say russia has mind a nuclear power station and would designate to be forced out by the counter offensive instead of so hold on awesome care button. everyone's talking about the nuclear plants, wherever you go. when you go to get water or go to the shops, everyone's talking about research. it's really scary. as i was pregnant winter noval happens and my son was born disabled because of it is the to the number. we go to lots of radiation here and nick a call back then and yet for now at least it seems that those have held out through 16 months of daily selling, outgoing. anyway, we have young volunteers of 20 or 22 years old coming to help us. some of the us that don't sketch. then it's good. how can we even think about leaving
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the germany's hor, administer on the bare bulk is in south africa for talks, including talks on russia's war and you crate. their bucks said that the wagner march on moscow last weekend and showed just how president fujen is destroying his own country. germany is pressing south africa to ended neutral stance of the a dw xena hodges. she's traveling with the german foreign minister, germany and south africa. see each other as very important partners when it comes to tackling global issues, such as the fight against the climate crisis, such as the attempt to get towards a more green economy, adjusted economy. more equality also for women. but a lot of trust was damaged last year when south africa refused to join weston support of ukraine and did not condemn russia's actions in ukraine,
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quite as openly as the west would have hoped. so this is a message coming out of the bab sneezing with a south african count of policy. today, at least talks of being resumed. again, at least one side is willing to listen to the other. the positions might differ, but there is a joint willingness to bridge those differences. germany says it's support. south africa's attempts of helping to bring about peace. now working on these documents on these concrete piece plans is already something that's gemini, says it is looking forward to doing together with south africa. maybe that will help overcome some of the differences that last year. so between those 2 countries, this was the, the house reporting there you're watching the day, we'll see you tomorrow, the,
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