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[000:00:00;00] the pressure president georgian today, thing too is a security forces were preventing a civil war for standing in the way of mercenaries in trying to march on most scale . now that is the criminal narrative. now, it's very different, of course, from what the world witnessed on saturday on their way to la scale. those wagner mercenaries encountered cheers. not cheers. it for a few hours it seemed approaching had lost control of the narrative. if not more, can he make sure that it never happens again? regarding berlin? this is the day, the which is a lot of talk at the moment. bob, no 5, no wagner. so get us
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a new key exist state provided all the funds for the entire wagner group that we can defense and rush, i have confirmed the rush. it was is and will remain unpredictable. yep. i suggested to put in not to hurry. i said, let's talk to precaution, what we do not know, false things are going to be all been coming in today's enriques. but in fact, you stopped a civil war. also coming up in europe spigots nuclear power plant is in ukraine and also in the middle of a war zone. ukrainian sphere that russia could use it as a weapon. everyone's talking about the nuclear plants, wherever you go. when you go to get water or go to the shops, everyone's talking about research. it's really scary. which of our viewers watching or p
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b as in the united states into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day with a lesson in what to remember. today, russian president vladimir putin appeared in public for the 1st time since those dramatic events of last weekend. and he described those events as a close call with civil war, putting things in security forces for standing by the country and its constitution . but who or once they were standing up against who didn't really say exactly. in fact, he didn't mention the wagner mercenaries who almost made it to moscow. and he didn't mentioned their leader. you have guinea precaution take unless the soldiers and officers are the true defenders of the motherland, who in a difficult time for the country together with their comrades in arms, stood in the way of the unrest. which would have inevitably resulted in chaos. you protected the constitution, whether she lives,
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the safety and the freedom of our people. you saved our motherland from turmoil. in fact, you stopped a civil war as well. the wagner boss, he may have moved, but he hasn't gone away today for goes and arrived in bella, ruth's which was part of the deal that ended the brief result that he led last weekend. russian authorities will also pursue no criminal charges against pre goshen. and his wagner mercenaries. now that fulfills yet another condition of the deal, which bill ruthie and president alexander lucas jenko claims he broke. or today he revealed the details of how he claims to have talked for goshen down for marching on laska. you know, did you know, put your name? i asked him, what does he want to do is go to put in and actually told him his requirements. if you, i'm not asking for anything that them give me sure to go and dress them off me another
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and i need to meet with bruton. as i told him, please, no one will give you why the showing google glass them off me covered. and especially in this situation with united preaching, as well as i do to the new mission. secondly, he will not talk to you not only to meet, but when i told you on the phone due to the situation from silence, we want justice, they want to strangle us. we will go to moscow. i tell him that half way up you will be crushed like a bug. come up on as long as you go. also, claims that he urged, wanted me approaching, not to have for goes in killed instead. the wagner boss is now bellow bruce's most prominent new resident and everyone, once or everyone, there is not necessarily happy that he is there. here's opposition, politician front of the court. regardless, i travel developer says very dangerous for delivery. sounds society for a better sense, so that any 10 for abilities and independence more over and it will create science
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to pull them between you and loves. yeah, it's very likely the progression of a lot, the ref alone by people bring his mercenaries, thousands of people. we're participating in torture in killing so if you premiums and the right now together with lucas, you and they can create the nuclear threats to our neighbors and 3 entire continents. so it's like the allow the future again, cove creamy knows to do what they want without any punishment. it was for like 2 years work that they have. wagner is a short lived clash with rushes. military. it comes as ukraine tries to gain ground in a critical counter offensive. you create as president building is zalinski says that his forces are advancing in all directions, but it's still unclear if keith can capital lives on the turmoil in the russian rakes. the ukranian president was visiting troops on the front line near the eastern city of buck, mood and these efforts the region to the south. he headed out words, decorations,
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and was briefed about the situation of the battlefield. while ukraine has reported some success as it is meeting fierce resistance from russian forces. while i'm joined now by katya as sole doc, editorial director of international additions at forbes, she has been chronically rushes more on ukraine. she joins me tonight from new york . i do, it's good to have you with us. what am i putting today said that the country came close to civil, more civil war. that is not the language of a confident, strong man leader. is it a folder in front of our eyes? we always have to understand that we don't know all the truth, russian government and everything that happens there is absolutely not transparent . and while for the past 1615 months, and a lot of people in the world are watching russia and waiting for russia to collapse
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. it's not really happening and all the messages that fortune is sending through his speeches. they're directive to multiple different audiences. but most important audience is for dance and rush. and when he use a strong language like civil war and that she was able to get the situation under control, my understanding is that it's directed to russian audience because he needs to show that she still has control and went for a moment. maybe there was some weakness, but he managed and everything is fine. yeah, it is important is you say for put into look a presidential to the public as well as to the military. i'm wondering, are we entering the territory where it becomes almost existing? she'll for him to look that way. so absolutely, i think all the actions of for james and his government are directed at surviving
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and trying to create a stronger and stronger propagandist narrative, so the russian public keeps supporting them despite all the realities. because russia is affected by the functions, there are losses from a lot of young people for dine, and the front lines and 3 dislikes cannon needs. and the public still needs to, to believe that the russian government is strong and has control. so. absolutely, it's essential for them. what do you make of this deal with the wagner boss of progression today, he arrives and build a roof. his soldiers for hire has mercenaries. they've also been given the choice of following him there. how do you read their as well? i believe that in this, as by doing this put you in terms of government, they manage the situation by essentially to dissolving the unit that could present venture to them without. um, we don't really know what happens,
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right. so we only know what was here was the question to says we don't even know if in goshen indeed made it's to means we just watched it from the life tracker. but if we buy this narrative, then in this case, a lot of people from the wagner unit, who, by the way, ex convicts very dangerous people, nor diverse people with combat experience. they can join the russian army. so it's a win for the russian, russian forces. and in the same time, it's no longer danger for their shame. and we don't know what kind of deals were made without us knowing what actually happened. i'm wondering how worried it should bother me approaching be about any possible popularity that for goshen enjoy improved in likes to be seen as a man of the people. but he's really not for goes you know, the other hand it comes from a small village. it's very humble beginnings. he was a hot dog salesman who worked his way up to become the chef to the russian
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president. yep. at this point it's very hard to imagine how russian public there seems anything because they've been brainwashed by russian propaganda for decades now. so old n e and just another leader just and not as are. so who knows? but i still understand that russia pretend is in control of all the media and for pre goes into the con, popular as you need to have a very strong powerful channels just to get this popularity. and while she was greeted very friendly in the areas where he answered, that's not enough. is cutting, you know, why the way of foods in the heat neutralizes his opponents? he's done it in the past. we see that, you know, you go with an airplane, you get poisons, you can go to another country. you have contact with some type of element that can kill you immediately. so why is he being so soft on this mutiny and
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especially on for goes well, 1st of all, we don't know what will happen tomorrow. the windows archive are still, you know, open, so people to fall out, not a choke are still around. we don't know. we can just watch what happens, but it's possible that there are conversations that are happening behind the scenes that we are not aware of. and there are deals and 3 adults and stuff that's happening that's we don't know, but we just watch the presentation and we can neurons on that, what's possible for us to see. so let's just see what happens. and before we let you go, so you know, we don't want to give the impression that for the international community progression would be preferable over food to meet you, is considered a more criminal. uh, what kind of a future does precaution realistically have in vladimir, perchance world is. is there any realistic future for this me? well i of course wouldn't know because it's impossible to predict,
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especially when we talk about players like this. but i would imagine that putting doesn't need him and he will be out of the picture some point. so just look at all . okay, well, we will definitely be watching and listening to you. so like we appreciate your insights tonight. thank you. to continue to monitor it closely. um i think we should all be able to agree that a nuclear power plant is not a great site for military operations. one way or the other. that was us national security spokesman john kirby responding to growing concerns over the safety of europe. the biggest nuclear power plant which happens to be inside ukraine, russian soldiers are in control of these operates your nuclear power plant versus intentions. they are remain a worrisome i know the reset destruction of the nearby cosca them has only
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added the fear of an impending catastrophe before rushes invasion of ukraine. the soviet failed zap for reach a nuclear power plant, produced a 5th of ukraine's electricity. but now 5 of its nuclear reactors are in code shot down because of continued shelling of the pond. the 6 is set to be in halt, shut down. meaning the power unit is heated to a 2nd level, but it any generates thermal power. o 6, react to those still need voltage pumped through them to cool the nucleus. a few. without that, there's a big risk that the fuel will overheat, causing a meltdown that could lead to nuclear disaster. that will to comes from a cooling pond that spread by a huge reservoir, but that reservoir is drawing up off to the nearby kirchhoff cut
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down was blown up at the beginning of june. there were also claims by ukraine that the dom that protects the plants cooling pool, has been mind if damaged, even more water would be lost. and that will to is also needed to keep the use to nuclear. a few this been through the react is cool. also key to protecting the plant is a continuous source of power. electricity is needed to ensure the cooling pumps used to pump water around the reactive can operate, plant as low as powers several times due to fighting in the region. that's meant it's been forced to rely on diesel generators, which only have enough fuel for around 10 days. that pro reached yeah. is
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a ticking time bomb more this i'm joined now by ellen us because the, the executive director at the center for disarmament and non proliferation in vienna. when it's good to have you with this, i want to just ask you have the events of the past few days in russia surrounding the wagner mercenary group? elizabeth had they changed the level of threat you see to this power plant? i don't think that anything related to the part of our group. so as to you with the separation of power plan. first of all they were moving in an opposite direction to start with the way from, from the premium for this they want impression. so um and assuming that they are moving somewhere too, sometimes that even less something concerns us, we don't know where exactly them. yeah. but other issues are much more important
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and some of them were highlighted by in the previous paper. yeah, i wanted to ask you how acute is that the nuclear threat at zap are read to you right now? are there several dimensions? do you want to use the uh, is the continuing water supply and it was raining, was set that because up they cut off cuz of them uh, damage and draining off the main. um, whatever is there were these continuing supplied to what i is now in the big question, why they're off. however, other supplies that were available and they have been preparing for such scenario. so it's not in the media center, but it's something that needs to be addressed relatively soon because we cannot
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rely on months and months of the power plan on the relying on some of the reserves it, it has, uh, already on the site. the 2nd part is they would reset you supplying me and the importance of it is you kind of have a lot of being constantly pumped and cooling the fuel. and the reactors, if you don't have electricity they, there's all generators as was set on the available to work for like a number of days and hours. and you need to down to have a reliable supply continually continuously. they all that concern is a potential of a mind placed at the facility. and so there is the relatively good news with that. we saw airports a few days ago from the international atomic energy agency mission to the new
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pop plan. when they were able to observe the going pounds, they were not able to identify lines fair found war, however, minds the site but the one on place of the reactors of the cooling point is that concerns that are all minds and motor equipment that is at the site and more uh to a new crane interim start to advance on next to that. so lady a, we don't know what is going to happen. what else going in a big place or designated as moved to other places? so there are continuing dentures. it is a precedent as institution, the very start of the russian. so yeah, the next acknowledge reactions. there it is in the middle of of, of words on it. i'm wondering if
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a russian troops were told to purposely do things inside the plant that would bring the nuclear power plant immediately into some state of disrepair. we're not talking about in releasing radiation, but let's just say in some state of disrepair, how confident are you that the workers there would be able to, you know, repair it that they would be able to get people there with a know how to repair it. that they would be able to get to the materials that are needed to carry out those repairs in. is that a scenario that's been fall through, or i don't think this is the biggest concern at the moment in terms of repairing and bringing the nuclear power plant back online, assuming that the territories liberated. i think the biggest concern nowadays to would a, an x that edu and radiation release some accident and the incident that
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could bring the release of the radiation. that's the biggest word and uh, 255 out of 6 of the actors and cold shut down, which probably means that there is a less of a concern about the states at the moment $5.00 to $6.00, the actor is still in a so called hawk stepped out, so there is more concerns about that one. if there is a pressure, if there is in sound uh, getting save 6 fighting the stop working, there is an extreme blood pressure and mistakes, but they made the lead to use that as a cover. we appreciate your time and your valuable insights that we certainly will be following developments. thank you. you're most welcome. so what does all of this mean for ukrainians? on the ground, dw, the economy visited the nearby ukrainian control, the city of nickel. there people not only faces the threat of russian showing,
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but now the risk of nuclear catastrophe. here and the other lying in bed when a shell hit snap by bloss, when trying everywhere i was covered and it will just happened so fast. i didn't even realize the simon's go off every night and they all play already comes next morning. i can't remember night without the simon's easy. i worked for a local church before the war. they helped people with drug and alcohol addictions . now he's helping the 40000 people still left. survive that help in the move, you might think this is a town that caught sight back. one of the russians suits us every night and that can just get away with that. they don't even bother to move the guns, they just lead them standing while they were and they come back when they want to carry on. and this is why does a breezy nuclear power plant just a few kilometers the way it's occupied by russian soldiers and their weapons?
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the soul just to make life and make a pull, a nightmare safe in the knowledge the ukrainians were $105.00 the town functions. but only just need with help since they could help good time was destroyed. most levels here have dropped dramatically, leaving wells dry. watching food delivery times, i kept secret till the very last minute for fear that the russians target the crowd . to the 3rd and 4th floor is just my bills and were destroyed by showing they were just going and showing the young man who lives on the 4th floor ended up in my flat on the 1st floor last to the store. well known, we had to help him get the shards of glass. i took his legs menu board and stick. i remember the bombings in world war 2. just as i was just
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a child's desk. that's how i remember ever saying this is it's all happening again . there's, there's so much to some people here, fee of it's showing might not be the only piece of history repeated in this will create new leaders, say russia has mind a nuclear power station and would designate to be forced out by the counter offensive instead of so hold on awesome care button. everyone's talking about the nuclear plants, wherever you go. when you go to get water or go to the shops, everyone's talking about research. it's really scary. i was pregnant winter noval happened and my son was born disabled because of it is a to the we go to lots of radiation here in nick a call back then. and yet for now, at least it seems that those have held out through 16 months of daily selling, outgoing. anyway, we have young volunteers of 20 or 22 years old is coming to help us some of the us
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that don't sketch then it's good. how can we even think about leaving germany's foreign minister on the bare balk is in south africa for talks, including talks on russia's war. and you crate or box said that the wagner march on moscow last weekend and showed just how president fujen is destroying his own country. germany is pressing south africa to end its neutral stance for the a w as being a hostage. she's traveling with the german foreign minister, germany and south africa see each other as very important partners when it comes to tackling global issues, such as the fight against the climate crisis, such as the attempt to get towards a more green economy adjusted economy. more equality also for women bought a lot of trusts, was damaged last year when south africa refused to join west and support as of ukraine and did not condemn russia's actions in ukraine,
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quite as openly as the west would have hoped. so this is a message coming out of the bedbugs sneezing with a south african count of policy today, at least talks of being resumed again, at least one side is willing to listen to the other. the positions might differ, but there is a joint willingness to bridge those differences. germany says it's support. south africa's attempts of helping to bring about peace. now working on these documents on these concrete piece plans is already something that's gemini, says it is looking forward to doing together with south africa. maybe that will help overcome some of the differences that last year. so between those 2 countries, just listening to his reporting there you're watching the day, we'll see you tomorrow,
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